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[Morroian]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

call me paranoid, but
i rather not invest or buy "earily access" to games.specially ones of these natures.
cause you never know if it ends up flaking or straight up scam

IMHO you just have to be careful and look at the track record of the people involved. I've donated to Grim Dawn and Shadworun but would never donate to say the Republique game.

[RedArmyShogun]

Hah, go look on Reddit or 1up, you'll have to look a few weeks back, or months, but the biggest case I know of is some dude made off with 30k. Technically its legal as he made a game.

With a free RPG program.

I know that some people are upset with the games they want not being made, but look at it like this.

We have one example of 500k being paid out.

Now do you mean to tell me its better to pay crazy ass sums like that, than it is to say...get a lawyer, make a joint group stock holding, and buy the majority share holdings away from the people that are ruining some of these companies, and then making games the way we want?

Because I mean in the later case, unless most of those who support Kickstarters ideas suck massively, you'ld actully see a Return on your money and get what you want.

All kickstarter is doing is making some people rich, and the rest poor. As they don't have to pay crap to make there two bit games, then can turn around and sell them, getting a double profit. If any Triple A dev had the "nerve" to do this, I doubt the response would be all smiles and crap like I've seen. Not too mention I've seen some of the games being made by it and honestly the dev prices are inflated a great deal.

There might be some good games on it and people that actully NEED the help and money requested, but over all I just get a bad vibe from it.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 19 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[Ticondurus]

So glad Tex Murphy is attempting a come back! The Pandora Directive is my favorite game of all time. Anyone else play it? I broke the bank on my pledge.

OP: You might add the 'Two Guys from Andromeda' Kickstarter -- they are the guys that did the Space Quest series. It's here: http://www.kickstart...rs-of-space-que

Modifié par Ticondurus, 19 mai 2012 - 11:53 .

[eroeru]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Hah, go look on Reddit or 1up, you'll have to look a few weeks back, or months, but the biggest case I know of is some dude made off with 30k. Technically its legal as he made a game.

With a free RPG program.

Did you deliberately not tell of the specifics? Like giving us the title name, and kickstarter page? Because unless you do that, it's all make-belief.

If you're referring to "Echoes of Eternia", then you have nothing to substantiate your claims. Although it is a "risky" project to back (and for this reason I withdrew myself), they've just reached their goal, and have stated on their official kickstarter that they'll be putting more effort into it, including making a new game engine. They've not presented a game, so you've got no grounds to speak of it as a "scam", a ka "technically it's still a game". If it's not abiding the criteria he stated on the kickstarter, which encompassed far more content (including the engine), people will have grounds for a complaint via kickstarter/amazon, or legal action.

Reddit is not a very reliable source, you know, and rather a boiling pot of hypocritical make-belief-based criticism.

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

All kickstarter is doing is making some people rich, and the rest poor.

(snip)

There might be some good games on it and people that actully NEED the help and money requested, but over all I just get a bad vibe from it.

You getting a bad vibe (which can be of course justified) does not allow you to make such statements as the first one. That's such a broad and general mockery of a statement, and it holds no truth-value at all.

"All investments are doing is making some people rich, and the rest poor" would be an equally viable statment. Hurhur.

[RedArmyShogun]

eroeru wrote...


Did you deliberately not tell of the specifics? Like giving us the title name, and kickstarter page? Because unless you do that, it's all make-belief.

If you're referring to "Echoes of Eternia", then you have nothing to substantiate your claims. Although it is a "risky" project to back (and for this reason I withdrew myself), they've just reached their goal, and have stated on their official kickstarter that they'll be putting more effort into it, including making a new game engine. They've not presented a game, so you've got no grounds to speak of it as a "scam", a ka "technically it's still a game". If it's not abiding the criteria he stated on the kickstarter, which encompassed far more content (including the engine), people will have grounds for a complaint via kickstarter/amazon, or legal action.

Reddit is not a very reliable source, you know, and rather a boiling pot of hypocritical make-belief-based criticism.


You getting a bad vibe (which can be of course justified) does not allow you to make such statements as the first one. That's such a broad and general mockery of a statement, and it holds no truth-value at all.

"All investments are doing is making some people rich, and the rest poor" would be an equally viable statment. Hurhur.

Which is why I also look up, 1up, or is that a bad site too? Reguardless of what I show, you'll just come up with something else. I fully expected this from you. As you are the BSN's Kickstarted Cheer Leader, but to humor you I suggest looking up Mythic: The Story of Gods and Men, given the above one that makes two. Then you have the on going issues with the Diaspora team,

Then there is the coming case of Kickstarter Vs Atristshare. The later suing the later for copying its patent, and the former screaming for the patent to be removed as they used it first.  And I won't waste time providing links, I won't waste time posting more on this. Fanatics on issues like this, well its a waste of time and energy. Never goes anywhere. Kickstarter offers no slavation.

And Herp Derp, yeah its totally the same, I mean investors never get there money back @_@. While everyone at kickstarter surely does. And I find it funny that you leave out my point on using those sums to buy back controlling stakes in companies.

Unless of course you either hate Triple A gaming, which is head over heels better than 90% of the Indie crapfest. Or you don't think the gamers that like kickstarter could guide a multi-million dollar industry, except into the ground. Or maybe you guys just want to buy games but not take over the reigns to actully guide it where you want. I digress. But whenever I spot a problem I think I'll be sure to post it here so I can go "lol".

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 20 mai 2012 - 12:48 .

[eroeru]

^^ Well, I wasn't mad or anything, and I left out the parts that were nonproblematic (obviously), so I guess you're lol'ing at something nonexistent?

Anyways, I'm not saying Kickstarter is anything of a salvation, it's just that it's not as flawed as you'd like to imagine.

[eroeru]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

And Herp Derp, yeah its totally the same, I mean investors never get there money back @_@. While everyone at kickstarter surely does. And I find it funny that you leave out my point on using those sums to buy back controlling stakes in companies.

Ok, just wanted to comment on this as well.

That part of my post was aimed at the statement a la "all kickstarter does is blablabla evil and broken". That's just nonsensical. As much as talking that investments are only there to make people poor. Besides "makes someone rich, someone poor" - what does this even mean? Every transaction does that basically. All in all, it was NOT a believable or elaborate statement.

And that "point" was dumb really. I mean, how realistic is it to have tens of thousands of people who don't agree with each other and in fact, won't see each other (for example, because they live in other sides of the world) to form an investment group? That notion just lacks all substance.

[eroeru]

As to Mythic, that's good info! Thanks for that!

Here's a link:
http://www.theverge....ed-to-shut-down

[eroeru]

Kickstarter vs Artistshare is also interesting:
http://betabeat.com/...patent-lawsuit/

I'd add that Kickstarter per se is of course dubious in practices, but not "horrible" in any way. The idea, and forms of implementation remain well-conceived.
All that was needed for the "indie" fan-wish-made-true developers was some PR. Kickstarter delivered.

Now we need more devs following the example of Path of Exile, as to enable analogous backing options on their web-sites. The idea of fans paying for their product up front, with certain benefits is a swell one.

Modifié par eroeru, 20 mai 2012 - 03:46 .

[eroeru]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Which is why I also look up, 1up, or is that a bad site too? 

I don't know 1up. But yeah, probably. There's so much bull on most web-sites, especially in the "opinion" or "forum" sections, it's not even funny.

Anyway, link please, because I cannot find a single article nor any evidence that Echoes of Eternia is a scam, as you put it.

[eroeru]

eroeru wrote...

Anyway, link please, because I cannot find a single article nor any evidence that Echoes of Eternia is a scam, as you put it.

Though it probably is, haha.

Although the money they were asking for was little, I'm guessing people won't get quality equal to the investment.
(in hindsight I doubt the kids doing EoE would really make something worthwhile, for example in the story department... yet I still love the idea that they'll have work experience making video-games, thanks to kickstarter).



Anyway, with this I rez the thread. New suggestions are welcome.

For now, I'll just get rid of the projects that are dead and put Project Eternity up there. 

edit: dammit, my futile attempts of resurrection didn't seem to work. My necromancy might be weak yet c'mon, there definitely are more worthwhile kickstarters up there alongside Project Eternity and the semi-somewhat kickstarted Path of Exile. 

editzedit: Going to update the games some more - found out about a few that seem worthwhile...

Arakion seems interesting in the very least!

edit: though now that I've prompted myself a lot of thought on the subject - game-makers without any track-record should absolutely be avoided. Glad I reached this easy and good-to-ethics conclusion. I'd not pledge to Arakion. edit: naah, the guy's enthusiasm, ideas and work thus far should warrant him the possibility to make games. I'm a backer again.

Modifié par eroeru, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[chunkyman]

Holy crap, you've made the 7 of the last 8 posts.

As for Kickstarter, I'm going to give about 25 bucks to Project Eternity because I want to bring old school RPGs back into popularity by helping to fund them.

[eroeru]

Yeah, I got a bit overboard with that "disagreement" with confess-a-bear 4 months ago. Still, didn't think it was awkward enough to justify editing into one post.
So, that's 8 out of the last 10 posts now... Anyway.

Project Eternity is by far the most safe bet to throw your money at.
Aside that, I myself have donated to Wasteland, Shadowrun, Jane Jensen's Moebius and Banner Saga. Haven't got any reason to regret any of that as so far (they're coming along nicely, and it's really neat to see updates of the progress).

[Kr0gan]

  Finally a space RTS (it may not be Homeworld 3 but its close enough for me to pledge some money):

http://www.kickstart...the-gods-awaken

Modifié par Kr0gan, 29 septembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[eroeru]

Nexus 2 seems impressive. I'm not big on space sims myself, but this is worthy of a pledge. Prolly gonna take that 20 bucks "early bird" deal.


EDIT: I just read this blog. Caught a few names to mention in the OP, most notably M.O.R.E. - a Master of Orion 2 styled space strategy game!

And about his comment on Arakion, emotionally and personally, I agree fully.

Also, there's no reason to think the guy a con-artist (though I gather its interesting to do so and safe to allow for the possibility).

It really is a happy thought that ordinary men can come closer to fulfilling a dream of sorts. Many of these "small fries" have wonderful ideas and art concepts, the main examples that cought my eye here are Echoes of Eternea and Arakion. It is bad they've done no game before, so we can't expect anything specific - but I'd guess the work gone into the art and graphics' assets and enthusiastic minds are well enough. Pledged the 15 dollars to Arakion myself, again. It has only 5 days to go and is a couple of thousand short.

Modifié par eroeru, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:05 .

[eroeru]

 I hope I'll not bring more plague upon the thread with a bump. Oh well, here's news.

Added "An Old-School RPG by Brenda Brathwaite and Tom Hall!" here. Catchy title, isn't it? I figure Brenda isn't shy of her very D&D befitting name. 

Also, Arakion is 56 hours away from getting funded. 5k more is needed for Infinite Tower, and that's a good treat if you'd ask me - people'd love to see that in-game.

Also, Two Brothers was founded! Yay!

EDIT: The guy behind Arakion did a little run-down of how he took up making the game. You should check it out under Updates.

Modifié par eroeru, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:15 .

[eroeru]

Hmm. Obsidian just backed Arakion, which is 7 minutes away from finishing strong. (though a few k short of a strech.goal)

EDIT: Funded. 

Modifié par eroeru, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:08 .