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[krukow]

I am now dumber for having read that. He uses ME2 (where it is possible to have EVERYONE survive the suicide mission) as an example for why there HAD to be sacrifice. No, moron, it's an example of how the endings should be utterly open with a myriad of possibilities.

[The Angry One]

Geneaux486 wrote...

webhead921 wrote...
I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

Dude don't bother, there's no way they're gonna understand that.

No, because that's all you're doing. Web does it, and so do you. You constantly come up with justifications and manufacture your own headcanon to reassure yourselves that you like the endings.

Of course you do. It makes you feel smarter than the rest of us. You "get" something we don't.
Nope, sorry. In the end, it doesn't work and deep down you know it.

[2leggywillow]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

That's like 5 of you now?

Awesome.

There are dozens of them! Dozens!

This video describes them quite aptly.

"OH STOP BOOING, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT."

[crappyjazzy]

Thick smug in here .... Kids these days

[Geneaux486]

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

webhead921 wrote...
I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

Dude don't bother, there's no way they're gonna understand that.

No, because that's all you're doing. Web does it, and so do you. You constantly come up with justifications and manufacture your own headcanon to reassure yourselves that you like the endings.

Of course you do. It makes you feel smarter than the rest of us. You "get" something we don't.
Nope, sorry. In the end, it doesn't work and deep down you know it.

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff.  Do you literally just sit there telling yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is just lying to themselves?  I mean this is literally all I see you do on this forum.

[H. Birdman]

Looks pretty typical of the intellectual laziness you see in lit majors.

Watch. I can do it, too:

"By choosing to end Crime and Punishment with a ghost telling the protagonist to pick a color, Dostoevsky masterfully evokes the fundamental absurdity of attempts to establish epistemic mores in an amoral and arbitrary universe."

Or, how about:

"By choosing to end Alien with a surrealist disco dance-off between Ripley and the creature, Ridley Scott subtly reminds the viewer of the connection between dominant cultural memes and psychological violence toward 'the other.'"

In other words, bullsh*t.

[The Angry One]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff.  Do you literally just sit there telling yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is just lying to themselves?  I mean this is literally all I see you do on this forum.

That is what I observe. From my conversations with people who say they love the endings, most of them end up spewing their headcanon at me. 
When you can only defend an ending by making up your own, then that ending has failed. Period.

[KingKhan03]

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff.  Do you literally just sit there telling yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is just lying to themselves?  I mean this is literally all I see you do on this forum.

That is what I observe. From my conversations with people who say they love the endings, most of them end up spewing their headcanon at me. 
When you can only defend an ending by making up your own, then that ending has failed. Period.

Angry don't bother with him all he'll say is you guys don't understand and ignore the plot-holes the size of a geth dreadnought.

[Smeffects]

I have a french literature master's degree. There is no amount of explanation i can come up with to fix plot holes like the normandy scene. First of all, im certain literature in my language is about the same as english when it comes to writing rules and concepts. Secondly, you dont need a degree in literature to understand anything that was done in mass effect 3, in fact while an enjoyable video game , mass effect is as deep as some paper i correct for high school student(Well some of them are good and produce better stuff then mass effect, on smaller scales).

Overall this review takes people for idiots, which is a problem with some student that are in the process of finishing a degree. They kinda think they are the know it all now. Its usually fixed when they enter the working market, they quickly understand that they simply are the fresh scrub out of school even with a degree and that they dont have the experience yet. Hell it hits some of them harder then others when they find out having a degree in a single dicipline doesent make you all knowing.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Wow. All that text and he didn't address any of my issues with the ending. His entire first and point is with regards to Shepard dying, a concept which I'm completely fine with. He really didn't hit on anything important, regarding the numerous plotholes, the Catalyst ass pull, etc. He just attempts to discard it.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 05 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[CPTHughJardon]

H. Birdman wrote...

Looks pretty typical of the intellectual laziness you see in lit majors.

Watch. I can do it, too:

"By choosing to end Crime and Punishment with a ghost telling the protagonist to pick a color, Dostoevsky masterfully evokes the fundamental absurdity of attempts to establish epistemic mores in an amoral and arbitrary universe."

Or, how about:

"By choosing to end Alien with a surrealist disco dance-off between Ripley and the creature, Ridley Scott subtly reminds the viewer of the connection between dominant cultural memes and psychological violence toward 'the other.'"

In other words, bullsh*t.

:lol: brilliant post

[Velocithon]

Smeffects wrote...

I have a french literature master's degree. There is no amount of explanation i can come up with to fix plot holes like the normandy scene. First of all, im certain literature in my language is about the same as english when it comes to writing rules and concepts. Secondly, you dont need a degree in literature to understand anything that was done in mass effect 3, in fact while an enjoyable video game , mass effect is as deep as some paper i correct for high school student(Well some of them are good and produce better stuff then mass effect, on smaller scales).

Overall this review takes people for idiots, which is a problem with some student that are in the process of finishing a degree. They kinda think they are the know it all now. Its usually fixed when they enter the working market, they quickly understand that they simply are the fresh scrub out of school even with a degree and that they dont have the experience yet. Hell it hits some of them harder then others when they find out having a degree in a single dicipline doesent make you all knowing.

I have a masters in seven languages and agree with this post. 

[Geneaux486]

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff.  Do you literally just sit there telling yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is just lying to themselves?  I mean this is literally all I see you do on this forum.

That is what I observe. From my conversations with people who say they love the endings, most of them end up spewing their headcanon at me. 
When you can only defend an ending by making up your own, then that ending has failed. Period.

And I've observed similar and worse behavior from people who hated the ending.  Doesn't mean I think everyone of that opinion is like that.

EDIT:  Case in point,

Angry don't bother with him all he'll say is you guys don't understand and ignore the plot-holes the size of a geth dreadnought.

And yet here I am not saying that.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 05 avril 2012 - 03:37 .

[Foulpancake]

If he's a major or minor in anything i need to find out from what college so i can drop a quarter and get my degree too

seriously getting tired of these "I understand the ending because i'm awesome so let me explain it to you idiots"

I understand that fire = hot, however these are like trying to explain that fire = wet, maybe in some bizarro world that makes sense to you, but in the real world you're just sound like a pompous fool who didn't do any research and most likely didn't even play the game...

*yawn*

[free17]

Duzaman7 wrote...

"I've noticed a bunch of people say this isn't the majority of people, but I read far more blogs and posts saying they hated the ending because Shepard dies and they felt they should have been able to beat the reapers with just the fleets. I believe such an ending would be nonsensical and would have been a complete tonal shift in the series changing what I consider one of the best videogame narratives of all time into this lame B movie ending where everyone lives."

(sigh) Ending of Mass Effect 1, and since when did everybody living become B movie material?

If by "B movie" he means "Star Wars", then your answer is 1977.

[webhead921]

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

webhead921 wrote...
I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

Dude don't bother, there's no way they're gonna understand that.

No, because that's all you're doing. Web does it, and so do you. You constantly come up with justifications and manufacture your own headcanon to reassure yourselves that you like the endings.

Of course you do. It makes you feel smarter than the rest of us. You "get" something we don't.
Nope, sorry. In the end, it doesn't work and deep down you know it.

Hold on a sec.  Since when have I implied that I'm smarter than you guys or that you don't "get it"?  In fact, I've stated multiple times that I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the ending, and that I am ok with the ending as is despite the flaws.  I'm aware of the criticisms, and I think a lot of them are valid. 

And I like the endings, I've never had to convince myself of this.  I come to BSN because I love Mass Effect and i enjoy talking about it.  I like the ending and I try to explain why, just like many other posters here explain why they don't like the endings.  What's wrong with that?  I don't think I've ever explicitly stated or implied that I was right and you are wrong.  I have my own views, but I enjoy hearing what others have to say too.

[Hashbeth]

Well written article, but it overlooks certain major flaws. It pays little attention to some themes that have been constant in Mass Effect; seems to insert other themes (such as sacrifice for the greater good) which, though in the series, were no where near as prevalent as others.
It also ignores multiple instances of plot holes, and the fact that the ending has no diversity, no greater explanation of various impossibilities (the whole joker scene, for instance, or the implausible citadel approach...let alone the poorly executed Deus Ex Machina in the catalyst).

That being said, the writer put a lot of thought into what they were saying. However their argument falls apart when considering the trilogy as a whole, the plot holes in the ending, and the subversion of many earlier themes for the addition of new ones

[KingKhan03]

lol it's like expired milk maybe it will taste better if someone explains why its expired.

[Yearlongjester]

webhead921 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The lengths people are going to in order to rationalize or make sense of this mess gets more absurd by the day. How come people can't just accept the fact that it was rushed and poorly written.

Because if you can convince yourself you liked it, you can convince yourself that everybody who doesn't like it just doesn't understand it and hence you are smarter.

I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

The question of course being why you feel you need to justify your enjoyment to everyone else. YOU liked the ending, terrific. Did you really need to start a thread that "proves" it?

That goes for both sides. PAX is coming up, let's settle down and stop posting new threads every couple of hours with the sole purpose of stating why your opinion means more than everyone else's. Please?

[Exeider]

FJVP wrote...

"Mass Effect 3: Great Ending or Greatest Ending" Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they just a rehash of Deus Ex's endings? Or so I've heard. If so he should give credit where it's due.

yup they are, but at least in Deus Ex, those endings made sense for THAT universe.

Destroy in that universe was a good thing because the system was a chain of oppression that if ANYONE had control of it it would allow them to control everything, and potientially harm everyone. Hence the willingness to go back to the technological dark age to start over. It NEEDED to be done in that universe.


btw: I love the avatar, is that a cat batting at legion's eye???

-AE

[2papercuts]

written April 1

am i the only one that noticed this?

[Foulpancake]

KingKhan03 wrote...

lol it's like expired milk maybe it will taste better if someone explains why its expired.

haha the perfect analogy i was looking for thank you

[webhead921]

Yearlongjester wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The lengths people are going to in order to rationalize or make sense of this mess gets more absurd by the day. How come people can't just accept the fact that it was rushed and poorly written.

Because if you can convince yourself you liked it, you can convince yourself that everybody who doesn't like it just doesn't understand it and hence you are smarter.

I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

The question of course being why you feel you need to justify your enjoyment to everyone else. YOU liked the ending, terrific. Did you really need to start a thread that "proves" it?

That goes for both sides. PAX is coming up, let's settle down and stop posting new threads every couple of hours with the sole purpose of stating why your opinion means more than everyone else's. Please?

Just for clarification, was this response directed at me?  I don't think I've ever started a thread saying why I like the endings.  I just like to respond to other people's threads.  I like to hear what others have to say.

[Geneaux486]

webhead921 wrote...
Hold on a sec.  Since when have I implied that I'm smarter than you guys or that you don't "get it"?  In fact, I've stated multiple times that I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the ending, and that I am ok with the ending as is despite the flaws.  I'm aware of the criticisms, and I think a lot of them are valid. 

And I like the endings, I've never had to convince myself of this.  I come to BSN because I love Mass Effect and i enjoy talking about it.  I like the ending and I try to explain why, just like many other posters here explain why they don't like the endings.  What's wrong with that?  I don't think I've ever explicitly stated or implied that I was right and you are wrong.  I have my own views, but I enjoy hearing what others have to say too.

That's just how it goes.  They spend enough time being told they only dislike the ending because they don't get it and they get jaded.  I can understand it, it's a pretty dick thing to say.  I especially understand it because a *lot* of people here have told me I only like the ending for the same reason.  Just keep doing your thing.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 05 avril 2012 - 03:41 .