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[free17]

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

I think this makes six. Six people isn't going to convince me of anything.

I believe this is where the problem lies. People who don't like the ending such as this guy I quoted. Seem to feel people are somehow caring or pushing him to some notion of changing his opinion? This is simply not the case. No one cares if you 'get it' or not. it's your life, your opinion. Pro enders don't gain anything converting you.


In the last month I have yet to see these so called '6' pro enders try and convince anyone to their way of thinking. if anything, I mostly see them fighting for their opinions and getting into pointless arguements until names are being called like children.

Pro enders are trying to stop Retake from using charities as shields, insults to community members, trolling pro ender threads (which aren't even many to begin with), and ME fans (assuming both sides are fans) looking out for Bioware.

Retake wants something, we get it, they get it, everyone gets it. the problem is majority believe you don't deserve it based on the actions of some of your members. Which doesn't even matter to begin with, it's an opinion of some pro enders and you claimed it yourselves its only 6 right? you are the mighty 56k yet still feel the need to troll those 6 everytime you get? you can't better yourselves and ignore them?

Your beef is with Bioware for the ending right? why get caught up fighting with pro enders? stop wasting your time especially if there is only 6 of them.. yet they take so much of your mind you talk about them when they are not even in threads you are posting on. I've seen some baiting members not present lol. use all that emotion for your cause? Bioware said be constructive not disruptive. Attacking BSN or other fans isn't doing anything for you or your cause but tainting the name of Retake.

Pro enders have a reason to complain either it being they want peace, they want to not be called EA PR, Bioware employees in diguise, or to see normal threads on the front page. It doesn't mean they hate you, want to ruin your hopes and dreams of a different ending. They just want the drama and hate to stop?

The only people who should care are not even here most of the time. direct your criticism to Bioware not eachother. Preaching to the choir is only good for morale but staying strong for a month now proves you don't need it am I right?

Making 100's of threads complaining about the same thing for a whole month is dull and boring. don't you think? Bioware already told you several times they heard you, PAX is coming and claimed to make a statement about your request. Why attack other members? ignore them. What you want is greater than a few strangers online right?

Oh, dear lord...

In the words of EDI, "That was a joke." It was joke, ok? A joke based on the relatively small number of people I've seen that actually claim to enjoy the ending. Get over yourself.

[The Angry One]

alx119 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Yeah that's so.  I don't care about observations of behavior (and your observations of mine were incorrect anyway).  That's what I'm doing here, after all, so that would be hypocritical.  It's the fact that you jump down people's throats with little to no provocation, always assuming hostility.  Hell, I don't have a problem with the retake movement.  In fact, I hope you guys do wind up with something for all your efforts.

I speak with snark. Most people seem to be okay with this. If you take it personally... well.. don't?
I'm a person on the internet, I'm not going to eat you.

You're not gonna eat us? How about if I say pretty please? 

[Kanner]

That is a lot of writing to just say 'I like vague, broad themes over cleverness'.

[Provo_101]

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...


If everyone is then Jennifer Hale is as well.

Glad you caught on, now if she is one of .....many still with me? Seeing how she's now just representing one and there is many.. her opinion is about as valid as anyone else

Doesn't really matter now since Shepard is dead.

*que Clint Mansell*

[stcalvin13]

Now, this series has a variety of themes but the main overarching themes as I see it are: (1) Sacrifice for the greater good (2) Entropy, as Yahtzee puts it (3) forgiveness.

Excuse me, what?

[alx119]

The Angry One wrote...

alx119 wrote...

You're not gonna eat us? How about if I say pretty please? 

That... That was a joke. 

[Yearlongjester]

Glad to see everyone getting along

[pikey1969]

http://dimbulb.typep...71f59970b-800wi

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[KingKhan03]

Guys the ending was bad mmmk?

[scrapmetals]

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...


If everyone is then Jennifer Hale is as well.

Glad you caught on, now if she is one of .....many still with me? Seeing how she's now just representing one and there is many.. her opinion is about as valid as anyone else

But you said she wasn't.

And if her opinion is as valid as anyone else's, then that means... well... everyone's opinion is valid. Mine - I dislike the ending. So the ending sucks.

Yours - you like the ending. So it's good.

Great, awesome.

I'm confused as to why there are people like you who like the ending and don't want more, though. What's wrong with more if you get to keep the ones you like? What's wrong with clarification? If you don't like it, don't buy the DLC. Or do and say the endings are canon.

I don't see what all the hostility is about here, on both sides.

[The Angry One]

Geneaux486 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Yeah that's so.  I don't care about observations of behavior (and your observations of mine were incorrect anyway).  That's what I'm doing here, after all, so that would be hypocritical.  It's the fact that you jump down people's throats with little to no provocation, always assuming hostility.  Hell, I don't have a problem with the retake movement.  In fact, I hope you guys do wind up with something for all your efforts.

I speak with snark. Most people seem to be okay with this. If you take it personally... well.. don't?
I'm a person on the internet, I'm not going to eat you.

Well golly, that's a load off of my mind.  No, I honestly don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else says to me, what I take notice of is how other people are treated.  There is a double standard on this forum.  It goes both ways, people from opposing sides do act like dicks to one another, and I'm no exception, but when talking about sheer numbers, one side outnumbers the other.

Well, to be blunt. Tough. If someone says something silly I'll call them out of it.
I'm not hostile, I'm never hostile. I'm matter of fact. Also making broad claims like "there are no plot holes" annoys me, even in good fiction there are plot holes. Let alone in an ending so bad it makes kittens cry.

[Imortalfalcon]

pomrink wrote...

There is a tremendous amount of ****** in there.

I was going to write some profound essay about how I disagree, but this sums it up better than anything I could ever put in a few paragraphs.

Modifié par Imortalfalcon, 05 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Dridengx]

free17 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

I think this makes six. Six people isn't going to convince me of anything.

I believe this is where the problem lies. People who don't like the ending such as this guy I quoted. Seem to feel people are somehow caring or pushing him to some notion of changing his opinion? This is simply not the case. No one cares if you 'get it' or not. it's your life, your opinion. Pro enders don't gain anything converting you.


In the last month I have yet to see these so called '6' pro enders try and convince anyone to their way of thinking. if anything, I mostly see them fighting for their opinions and getting into pointless arguements until names are being called like children.

Pro enders are trying to stop Retake from using charities as shields, insults to community members, trolling pro ender threads (which aren't even many to begin with), and ME fans (assuming both sides are fans) looking out for Bioware.

Retake wants something, we get it, they get it, everyone gets it. the problem is majority believe you don't deserve it based on the actions of some of your members. Which doesn't even matter to begin with, it's an opinion of some pro enders and you claimed it yourselves its only 6 right? you are the mighty 56k yet still feel the need to troll those 6 everytime you get? you can't better yourselves and ignore them?

Your beef is with Bioware for the ending right? why get caught up fighting with pro enders? stop wasting your time especially if there is only 6 of them.. yet they take so much of your mind you talk about them when they are not even in threads you are posting on. I've seen some baiting members not present lol. use all that emotion for your cause? Bioware said be constructive not disruptive. Attacking BSN or other fans isn't doing anything for you or your cause but tainting the name of Retake.

Pro enders have a reason to complain either it being they want peace, they want to not be called EA PR, Bioware employees in diguise, or to see normal threads on the front page. It doesn't mean they hate you, want to ruin your hopes and dreams of a different ending. They just want the drama and hate to stop?

The only people who should care are not even here most of the time. direct your criticism to Bioware not eachother. Preaching to the choir is only good for morale but staying strong for a month now proves you don't need it am I right?

Making 100's of threads complaining about the same thing for a whole month is dull and boring. don't you think? Bioware already told you several times they heard you, PAX is coming and claimed to make a statement about your request. Why attack other members? ignore them. What you want is greater than a few strangers online right?

Oh, dear lord...

In the words of EDI, "That was a joke." It was joke, ok? A joke based on the relatively small number of people I've seen that actually claim to enjoy the ending. Get over yourself.

The number reffered to was the joke? be that as it may but the point still stands does it not? You don't believe your cause exceeds the importance of the opinion of pro enders? ignore them. Look how Angry One jumped on me when my only comment was rational and calm trying to form peace?

Modifié par Dridengx, 05 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[jb1983]

So the guy with a degree says it was well done.

I have degrees in Philosophy and Business. That means I can think logically and also think about numbers. So let me do a simple review here:

Bioware is a business
Businesses care about money
Therefore Bioware cares about money

Customers generate money for a business (Bioware)
Critics don't generate money for a business
Therefore, (considering the first syllogism), Bioware should care about what the customers say and not what the critics say

Huzzah for my piece(s) of paper!

[joiushdfoubsndpovn]

Geneaux486 wrote...

webhead921 wrote...
I'm not trying to convice myself that I liked the endings, I just was overall satisfied with how ME3 ended despite the flaws.  When I post here, I am not trying to convice myself that I like the endings, I'm just trying to explain to others why I like the ending.

Dude don't bother, there's no way they're gonna understand that.

I don't see anyone bashing the OP. all comments are in regard to the article.

You've got both selective vision and a misunderstanding of the point of the post you quoted.  The "double standard" I was half-joking about was the fact that the guy came in and basically said "It has to be explained, so it's automatically invalid, now here's something that explains why it's bad."

Ok, dude?  That is not a double standard, sorry to say.  If a majority says something is bad, and common sense says so, anything that bolsters that opinion is helpful.  But trying to make a game, which most people have a problem with, seem better by ADDING STUFF POST GAME (or even post anything, whether it be books, movies, games etc.) proves the point that at its very basic level, it is bad, and cannot stand alone without having post-game explanations.  Good try, but that is not a double standard.

[alx119]

scrapmetals wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...


If everyone is then Jennifer Hale is as well.

Glad you caught on, now if she is one of .....many still with me? Seeing how she's now just representing one and there is many.. her opinion is about as valid as anyone else

But you said she wasn't.

And if her opinion is as valid as anyone else's, then that means... well... everyone's opinion is valid. Mine - I dislike the ending. So the ending sucks.

Yours - you like the ending. So it's good.

Great, awesome.

I'm confused as to why there are people like you who like the ending and don't want more, though. What's wrong with more if you get to keep the ones you like? What's wrong with clarification? If you don't like it, don't buy the DLC. Or do and say the endings are canon.

I don't see what all the hostility is about here, on both sides.

This, I don't understand that either. 
I see how one would be pissed after accepting a terrible ending, overthinking around it to finally "get it" and then they are delievered a new DLC ending that's far more supperior. It's sort of wasting time. 
But then again, you shouldn't have conformed with mediocrity in the first place. 

[Dridengx]

Provo_101 wrote...

Doesn't really matter now since Shepard is dead.

*que Clint Mansell*

not quite! there will be DLC regardless if it's prior to the ending

Modifié par Dridengx, 05 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[scrapmetals]

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

I think this makes six. Six people isn't going to convince me of anything.

I believe this is where the problem lies. People who don't like the ending such as this guy I quoted. Seem to feel people are somehow caring or pushing him to some notion of changing his opinion? This is simply not the case. No one cares if you 'get it' or not. it's your life, your opinion. Pro enders don't gain anything converting you.


In the last month I have yet to see these so called '6' pro enders try and convince anyone to their way of thinking. if anything, I mostly see them fighting for their opinions and getting into pointless arguements until names are being called like children.

Pro enders are trying to stop Retake from using charities as shields, insults to community members, trolling pro ender threads (which aren't even many to begin with), and ME fans (assuming both sides are fans) looking out for Bioware.

Retake wants something, we get it, they get it, everyone gets it. the problem is majority believe you don't deserve it based on the actions of some of your members. Which doesn't even matter to begin with, it's an opinion of some pro enders and you claimed it yourselves its only 6 right? you are the mighty 56k yet still feel the need to troll those 6 everytime you get? you can't better yourselves and ignore them?

Your beef is with Bioware for the ending right? why get caught up fighting with pro enders? stop wasting your time especially if there is only 6 of them.. yet they take so much of your mind you talk about them when they are not even in threads you are posting on. I've seen some baiting members not present lol. use all that emotion for your cause? Bioware said be constructive not disruptive. Attacking BSN or other fans isn't doing anything for you or your cause but tainting the name of Retake.

Pro enders have a reason to complain either it being they want peace, they want to not be called EA PR, Bioware employees in diguise, or to see normal threads on the front page. It doesn't mean they hate you, want to ruin your hopes and dreams of a different ending. They just want the drama and hate to stop?

The only people who should care are not even here most of the time. direct your criticism to Bioware not eachother. Preaching to the choir is only good for morale but staying strong for a month now proves you don't need it am I right?

Making 100's of threads complaining about the same thing for a whole month is dull and boring. don't you think? Bioware already told you several times they heard you, PAX is coming and claimed to make a statement about your request. Why attack other members? ignore them. What you want is greater than a few strangers online right?

Oh, dear lord...

In the words of EDI, "That was a joke." It was joke, ok? A joke based on the relatively small number of people I've seen that actually claim to enjoy the ending. Get over yourself.

The number reffered to was the joke? be that as it may but the point still stands does it not? You don't believe your cause exceeds the importance of the opinion of pro enders? ignore them. Look how Angry One jumped on me when my only comment was rational and calm trying to form peace?

Okay, first of all, I have seen a lot of pro-ender threads, and they're just as quick to say anyone who dislikes it is stupid for not getting it. That's simply ridiculous. I shouldn't need credentials to understand a video game's ending.

As I just stated, there's hostility on both sides, and it makes no sense.

[charon45]

I skimmed through most of it and it seems like all he does is talk about how Shepard had to die creates a mountain of text to explain that point. It isn't the problem and the use of the term "super happy ending" leads be to believe that they just don't get that.

[KingKhan03]

Dem Plotholes.

[The Angry One]

Dridengx wrote...

The number reffered to was the joke? be that as it may but the point still stands does it not? You don't believe your cause exceeds the importance of the opinion of pro enders? ignore them. Look how Angry One jumped on me when my only comment was rational and calm trying to form peace?

Yes, because your passive aggressive rant totally erases your past history of trying to get a rise out of people, and your subsequent bizarre argument that Jennifer Hale has no bearing on Shepard.

Speaking of that sig, it's a troll tag. Everybody knows it's a troll tag. If you want to start to be taken seriously, I suggest you ditch it.

[Geneaux486]

The Angry One wrote...
Well, to be blunt. Tough. If someone says something silly I'll call them out of it.

That part I can understand.

I'm not hostile, I'm never hostile. I'm matter of fact.

 
Eh, I suppose it's hard to read people's intent via text.  Still, saying that deep down I only like the ending because I tell myself I like the ending and I secretly know that to be true is not matter of fact, it is kinda hostile.  And since my mind translates "hostile" into "silly" I decided to go all long-winded about it.

Also making broad claims like "there are no plot holes" annoys me, even in good fiction there are plot holes. Let alone in an ending so bad it makes kittens cry.

Fair enough.  That said, I don't argue that there are no plotholes.  If I did at some point, I was wrong.  I simply think they are not as large as a lot of people claim they are.

[alx119]

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

free17 wrote...

I think this makes six. Six people isn't going to convince me of anything.

I believe this is where the problem lies. People who don't like the ending such as this guy I quoted. Seem to feel people are somehow caring or pushing him to some notion of changing his opinion? This is simply not the case. No one cares if you 'get it' or not. it's your life, your opinion. Pro enders don't gain anything converting you.


In the last month I have yet to see these so called '6' pro enders try and convince anyone to their way of thinking. if anything, I mostly see them fighting for their opinions and getting into pointless arguements until names are being called like children.

Pro enders are trying to stop Retake from using charities as shields, insults to community members, trolling pro ender threads (which aren't even many to begin with), and ME fans (assuming both sides are fans) looking out for Bioware.

Retake wants something, we get it, they get it, everyone gets it. the problem is majority believe you don't deserve it based on the actions of some of your members. Which doesn't even matter to begin with, it's an opinion of some pro enders and you claimed it yourselves its only 6 right? you are the mighty 56k yet still feel the need to troll those 6 everytime you get? you can't better yourselves and ignore them?

Your beef is with Bioware for the ending right? why get caught up fighting with pro enders? stop wasting your time especially if there is only 6 of them.. yet they take so much of your mind you talk about them when they are not even in threads you are posting on. I've seen some baiting members not present lol. use all that emotion for your cause? Bioware said be constructive not disruptive. Attacking BSN or other fans isn't doing anything for you or your cause but tainting the name of Retake.

Pro enders have a reason to complain either it being they want peace, they want to not be called EA PR, Bioware employees in diguise, or to see normal threads on the front page. It doesn't mean they hate you, want to ruin your hopes and dreams of a different ending. They just want the drama and hate to stop?

The only people who should care are not even here most of the time. direct your criticism to Bioware not eachother. Preaching to the choir is only good for morale but staying strong for a month now proves you don't need it am I right?

Making 100's of threads complaining about the same thing for a whole month is dull and boring. don't you think? Bioware already told you several times they heard you, PAX is coming and claimed to make a statement about your request. Why attack other members? ignore them. What you want is greater than a few strangers online right?

Oh, dear lord...

In the words of EDI, "That was a joke." It was joke, ok? A joke based on the relatively small number of people I've seen that actually claim to enjoy the ending. Get over yourself.

The number reffered to was the joke? be that as it may but the point still stands does it not? You don't believe your cause exceeds the importance of the opinion of pro enders? ignore them. Look how Angry One jumped on me when my only comment was rational and calm trying to form peace?

Could you stop accusing her of jumping on you? You put an opinion out here, she argumented against it. Stop trying to be the victim, if you don't want anyone to jump on your opinions, as peaceful as they are, stop writting on forums altogether. There's always someone who will disagree, and most importantly there's always someone who'll disagree and have good arguments to give, and give you a hard time. 

[FemmeShep]

I do not agree with this at all, I think the ending was actually really poorly done.

But let's get something straight. After having more time to reflect on the ending, I've been able to separate my own personal opinion on the plot (how I liked or disliked the end story) and how the ending itself was technically told.

I can totally accept that others may like the end plot, and I don't. But I just find it hard to believe anyone that liked the ending, thinks it was done really well from a technical point of view. I just find so much wrong with how how they decided to tell the ending.

The actual execution of the ending was very confusing, sloppy, incoherent. It expected the audience to draw big leaps in logic with little exposition and much needed information and foundation. It relied too heavily on a single plot device (the Crucible) which again, really wasn't explained very clearily.

I could go on and on. I really does feel like the ending was rushed. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 05 avril 2012 - 04:09 .

[Dridengx]

scrapmetals wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...


If everyone is then Jennifer Hale is as well.

Glad you caught on, now if she is one of .....many still with me? Seeing how she's now just representing one and there is many.. her opinion is about as valid as anyone else

But you said she wasn't.

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.