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[Ahms]

Velocithon wrote...

Disclaimer: I have a degree in literature and I minored in film studies.

I stopped right there.

You got much farther than I did. I stopped here:

"Great Analysis of why the ending was well done"

[The Angry One]

For the record I only jump on people I really like.

[PeterG1]

Umm this is a fine and lucid argument, but its just this guy's opinion. Thankfully he disclaims that. But i laugh because he also disclaims his cred. I also have a Lit degree AND a film studies degree. Does that make me an authority? Well...yea but no more than you or the next consumer.

I appreciate his heart-felt words but the argument in the end is no better or worse than anyone else. I remain the of the same opinion that I had before and that is: 1) the endings were quite beautiful and emotionally wrenching and 2) there are many things that go unanswered and leave me feeling empty. I would like clarification and additional endings. Please.

[tomcplotts]

the battle that will never end. OPs link is defensible, but not especially compelling. But hey, it's beating a dead horse by now. Story was bigger than the game could handle in the time it had. Not much more to be said than that. The rest is sophistry.

[The Angry One]

Dridengx wrote...

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

You know, you could actually do some research and just say Hale was possibly misquoted instead of engaging in this roundabout argument.
Just saying.

[scrapmetals]

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...


If everyone is then Jennifer Hale is as well.

Glad you caught on, now if she is one of .....many still with me? Seeing how she's now just representing one and there is many.. her opinion is about as valid as anyone else

But you said she wasn't.

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

*facepalm*

I am not a child and I don't need to have my hand held. I understood FULLY what you were saying. However, you stated it semi-poorly, and I'm a nitpicker.

This is why I cannot agree with someone like you, because you treat me like I'm an idiot, and I don't exactly appreciate that.

[Eulalia Danae]

His interpretation of the themes were pretty bull****, especially the forgiveness theme. Curing the genophage had nothing to do with forgiveness. The krogan are a violent people and based on all the scientific evidence of the loveable salarians, the krogans would repeat the same violent acts of the past. Shepard was given the choice whether to believe the evidence, or to take a risk and choose to cure the genophage based on the krogan's ability to change. That's not forgiveness of past deeds, it's hope for breaking a cycle despite the odds, which is a theme that is in direct opposition to the overarching premise of the three endings. Synthetics will kill organics because the smart citadel who holds all the evidence says so.

And the sacrifice for the greater good? Another misinterpreation. He's thinking of the overall renegade theme, which is actually clearly stated in the begiining of ME3 when shepard is asked what they do against the reapers. It's not sacrifice for the greater good...it's "Survive at all cost." There is a very distinct difference. The destroy option was not a sacrifice, it was a survive at a cost, and is the only ending that I see as an attempt to stick with the mass effect themes. The paragon theme was "stand together" and refers to the unifying of the galaxy, unfortunately bioware decided that this unity was in fact uniformity, and decided the only way to keep synthetics and organics from killing eachother is by destroying any difference between them.....which betrays the underlying theme they had set up in the earlier games.

But hey, in all three of ME's endings the synthetics are screwed. But that's okay...there was no theme throughout mass effects universe that asked if synthetic life held as much value as organic life, right? I mean it's not like Legion asked if he had a soul or anything.

[Kulthar Drax]

I just read that entire article, and while I could go into an indepth analysis of why its total bollocks, it is 5am. So I'm just going to settle for saying it is total bollocks.

Modifié par Kulthar Drax, 05 avril 2012 - 04:08 .

[Gibsn]

Idiotic equivocation. Author argues there are no tonal shifts and then states the entropy theme was only introduced in ME3 and only within DLC. Filled with errors of reasoning and and a decisive opinion o Dickens later work this squalor isn't fit for rational consumption.

[knection]

"To be clear, if your problem is with the final
cutscene then I agree with you in the fact that this cutscene is poorly
done. However, I do not look at this cutscene to be the ending of the
game. It shows you nothing of what occurred due to your decision, nor
what happened to anyone, it is just a generic piece of eye candy. I
believe the final decision you make is the real ending and once the CGI
starts that really doesn't matter. I think it is a bit foolish to
ignore everything that happened before and say the game is awful because
of a 30 second cutscene and to disregard what actually happens in the
end."


Wow even a guy defending the ending still found a bunch of things wrong with the ending.....hmmmm.....

[aliengmr1]

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

You know, you could actually do some research and just say Hale was possibly misquoted instead of engaging in this roundabout argument.
Just saying.

I was wondering when someone was gonna say something.

[The Interloper]

Plot holes

Thematic Inconsistency

Lack of Closure/very rushed

Even if you get past one, there are still the other two. Don't bother, people.

[Geneaux486]

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

You know, you could actually do some research and just say Hale was possibly misquoted instead of engaging in this roundabout argument.
Just saying.

It's easier than that.  Just find out what the guy who voiced male Shepard thinks of the ending.  At best that can end in a tie or a unanimous vote that the endings are bad, but in the event of a tie we ask Steve Blum, since he's like 75% of the background characters in this series.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 05 avril 2012 - 04:10 .

[The Angry One]

Geneaux486 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

You know, you could actually do some research and just say Hale was possibly misquoted instead of engaging in this roundabout argument.
Just saying.

It's easier than that.  Just find out what the guy who voiced male Shepard thinks of the ending.  At best that can end in a tie or a unanimous vote that the endings are bad, so at that point we ask Steve Blum, since he's like 75% of the background characters in this series.

Last I heard Meer was at least sympathetic to retakers.

In a competiiton however it would be 25/75 in Hale's favour because Hale is just better, and this is fact.

[Dridengx]

alx119 wrote...

 You put an opinion out here, she argumented against it. Stop trying to be the victim, if you don't want anyone to jump on your opinions, as peaceful as they are, stop writting on forums altogether. There's always someone who will disagree, and most importantly there's always someone who'll disagree and have good arguments to give, and give you a hard time. 

Actually, if you read the conversation you are so eager to jump into, you would have seen she didn't argue with me about my opinion at all. infact, all she did was comment on me being in the thread then someone came and defended me for it. You might want to check again? thanks. I never said nor implied I was a victim, I just said she attacked me which is abundantly clear.

Regardless of your intentions I appreciate the feedback and your opinion but I think I'll pass on not posting on forums because you said so, thanks. I have no problem with people disagreeing. Did you even read my first post? I was stating both sides and trying to tell the aggresive side to overlook the other small side. I think it would benefit Retake doing so.

[ragecage559]

Ahms wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Disclaimer: I have a degree in literature and I minored in film studies.

I stopped right there.

I did to, whether he did or not, it's basically saying he's smarter than the reader. I don't waste my time with that kind of arrogance.

[Geneaux486]

The Angry One wrote...
In a competiiton however it would be 25/75 in Hale's favour because Hale is just better, and this is fact.

Yeah... yeah she kinda is.

[Evrathiel]

However, if you think the ending is bad because by uniting the galaxy you think you should be able to beat the reapers and have this super happy ending you have ignored the entire narrative of the series. From reading forums and articles it seems like the majority of people hated the ending due to this reason (I've noticed a bunch of people say this isn't the majority of people, but I read far more blogs and posts saying they hated the ending because Shepard dies and they felt they should have been able to beat the reapers with just the fleets). I believe such an ending would be nonsensical and would have been a complete tonal shift in the series changing what I consider one of the best videogame narratives of all time into this lame B movie ending where everyone lives.

His article bases on this premise. Which is false. This is not the reason the endings are bad.

Lengthy but very good read with a fitting LotR analogy of why the ending was not well done:

doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bull****-artistic-process/ 

Modifié par Evrathiel, 05 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[tekkaman fear]

Trentgamer wrote...

Hmm I don't agree. The very fact that I would need to read some analysis to enjoy or understand the ending (which I still think is so full of holes it's not funny) just makes it all the more apparent how poorly done it was.

Well said.

[aliengmr1]

The Angry One wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

She isn't Shepard persay. The person who quoted me acted as IF Jennifer Hale WAS Shepard aka only one who can be. which isn't true. So I said she wasn't Shepard, we are shepard. everyone is shepard. PM me if you need more help understanding. I might be in another thread.

You know, you could actually do some research and just say Hale was possibly misquoted instead of engaging in this roundabout argument.
Just saying.

It's easier than that.  Just find out what the guy who voiced male Shepard thinks of the ending.  At best that can end in a tie or a unanimous vote that the endings are bad, so at that point we ask Steve Blum, since he's like 75% of the background characters in this series.

Last I heard Meer was at least sympathetic to retakers.

In a competiiton however it would be 25/75 in Hale's favour because Hale is just better, and this is fact.

Hale was best in ME1 and 2, Meer gets 3 hands down.:innocent:

[pharsti]

Im fine with people who like the ending, i mean, i envy those who do, but its ok.... oh, and that huge text was useless by the way OP, he spoke a lot, but he didnt adress a single issue i had with the ending.

Anyone who likes the ending likes it because they are completely able to ignore the plot craters that the last 5 minutes presents to them, they like it because they like open ended endings and like to come up with their own story in their head, they like it because they dont mind, at all, that the end of the game is nothing but a single cutscene so similar color blind people wouldnt see a difference.

And.... well... thats fine. Not for me thou, sorry. But ill respect your opinions.

[Caz Tirin]

The Angry One wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The lengths people are going to in order to rationalize or make sense of this mess gets more absurd by the day. How come people can't just accept the fact that it was rushed and poorly written.

Because if you can convince yourself you liked it, you can convince yourself that everybody who doesn't like it just doesn't understand it and hence you are smarter.

That puts an entirely new spin on "ignorance is bliss".  I would much rather be blissfully peeved that the ending was horribly done than to walk around in a delusional state of "comprehension".

Some philospher somewhere is proud of that while another is turning in his grave.  lol

[aliengmr1]

Caz Tirin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The lengths people are going to in order to rationalize or make sense of this mess gets more absurd by the day. How come people can't just accept the fact that it was rushed and poorly written.

Because if you can convince yourself you liked it, you can convince yourself that everybody who doesn't like it just doesn't understand it and hence you are smarter.

That puts an entirely new spin on "ignorance is bliss".  I would much rather be blissfully peeved that the ending was horribly done than to walk around in a delusional state of "comprehension".

Some philospher somewhere is proud of that while another is turning in his grave.  lol

[mjustini99]

However, if you think the ending is bad because by uniting the galaxy you think you should be able to beat the reapers and have this super happy ending you have ignored the entire narrative of the series. From reading forums and articles it seems like the majority of people hated the ending due to this reason

And I stopped reading right there. Credibility lost.

[alx119]

Dridengx wrote...

alx119 wrote...

 You put an opinion out here, she argumented against it. Stop trying to be the victim, if you don't want anyone to jump on your opinions, as peaceful as they are, stop writting on forums altogether. There's always someone who will disagree, and most importantly there's always someone who'll disagree and have good arguments to give, and give you a hard time. 

Actually, if you read the conversation you are so eager to jump into, you would have seen she didn't argue with me about my opinion at all. infact, all she did was comment on me being in the thread then someone came and defended me for it. You might want to check again? thanks. I never said nor implied I was a victim, I just said she attacked me which is abundantly clear.

Regardless of your intentions I appreciate the feedback and your opinion but I think I'll pass on not posting on forums because you said so, thanks. I have no problem with people disagreeing. Did you even read my first post? I was stating both sides and trying to tell the aggresive side to overlook the other small side. I think it would benefit Retake doing so.

I did read your post and had nothing to add to it, since other people already did. I did catch, though, that you kept on "talking about her", and that makes you look like if you wanted other people to "see" how she attacked you. Clearly making you look like a victim, and in all that, making look like we're aggresive by nature. You don't state all of this, is just how it feels.

And, to begin with, she wouldn't have said anything to you with the nature she did if she didn't have a reason, which implies that you in the past have been not as "peaceful" as you tried to be here. Which leads me to say, if you don't want your opinions to be critizised, sharing them in a public place like a forum is a bad idea. Because people tend to remember, quote and disregard your arguments based on your actions. -> Hence Angry's. 
But furthermore, if she did -not- have a reason, you should have just ignored it instead of dragging it, maybe thank the commenter that defended you, but that's about it, and not deflecting your argument point to her behavior. To say "SEE? SHE DIDNT EVEN READ!" makes you look bad, really bad. Sorry.