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[asaiasai]

In all honesty i do like it but what bothers me is that i am not given the option to roll a mental resistance check against the demon. I feel i should be able to roll a mental resistance check and if i or a party member can pass it we just fight the demon right there skipping the whole fade entirely.



I have the same issue with the Ser Catherine encounter during the rescue the queen, she seems to be set up so hard to beat to force you into the capture sequence. It is possible to beat her (i have done it) but it is more difficult to beat her that either the high dragon in Haven or even Flemeth. But at least if you beat her and her crew you can walk right out the front door, this option for the demon in the tower should be added. At least imho, if you want to do the fade do it,i f you are willing to skip the extra points just to not have to do the fade you should be able to as well. I do not like having an area forced on me and in a game that seems to be all about choices, this is a choice that the PC should be able to make provided of course you build the character to pass the mental resistance check.



Asai

[guitarbard]

She's harder to beat than the High Dragon or Flemeth? Dang, I'm going to have to see how badly my mage does against her, 'cause she managed to kill Flemeth without too much trouble and the High Dragon with some difficulty. This should be interesting.



Yeah, I was hoping when I saw the cutscene that there was some mental resistance check. My fourth time through the Fade I couldn't help but think, "This was fun and difficult the first time around? Really?"

[Kirika69]

Any mods out there yet to skip the entire fade part? I don't think I can bring myself to go through it a 3rd time.....

[guitarbard]

I went through it for my sister, so that makes five go-throughs for me now. Maybe I'll start taking different party members that I haven't taken before just to see their dreams. I think I've taken everyone through except the dog though, who doesn't have a dream, I'm told.



The thing about skipping the Fade is that you miss a ****-load of +1s, enough xp to gain a level, and, if you're paying attention, a TON of codex entries. If it were spookier, maybe, and not so yellow...

[circa89]

I didn't like it. Simply because it felt campy and like it was meant as a gimmick (ie, to stack on gameplay hours). Didn't feel very genuine, especially after I did the Darkspawn Invasion part. It was like they kinda just overlooked that part of the game.

[asaiasai]

I am one of those who follows what your saying about the points and the level, but my problem is that there is NO CHOICE in the matter, off to the fade with you. At least with the Ser Catherine encounter if you can stomp her and her little friends to you skip the dungeon and can walk right out the front door. All i am saying is that this option should be applied to the demon in the tower, where if you build the character to pass the MR check then kill demon and move on. Thats is my point.



Asai

[Archfiend]

if i could simply skip it and fight the guy in the tower i would. even losing out on the stat boosts its the one section in the game i totally hate, and the one of the reasons im probably done with the game. i hate the fade that much.

[sinosleep]

asaiasai wrote...

In all honesty i do like it but what bothers me is that i am not given the option to roll a mental resistance check against the demon. I feel i should be able to roll a mental resistance check and if i or a party member can pass it we just fight the demon right there skipping the whole fade entirely.

I have the same issue with the Ser Catherine encounter during the rescue the queen, she seems to be set up so hard to beat to force you into the capture sequence. It is possible to beat her (i have done it) but it is more difficult to beat her that either the high dragon in Haven or even Flemeth. But at least if you beat her and her crew you can walk right out the front door, this option for the demon in the tower should be added. At least imho, if you want to do the fade do it,i f you are willing to skip the extra points just to not have to do the fade you should be able to as well. I do not like having an area forced on me and in a game that seems to be all about choices, this is a choice that the PC should be able to make provided of course you build the character to pass the mental resistance check.

Asai

You have to recruit the other armies to start the landsmeet and complete the game, I don't see why the fade should be any different then every other army recruitment stage of the game. You have to play the fade to recruit the templars or the mages, without doing it you can't recruit them and thus can't start the landsmeet, the same as every other army you have to recruit.

Modifié par sinosleep, 07 décembre 2009 - 12:19 .

[MusukoYo]

I found the whole area to be far less tedious than the Deep Roads/Dead Trenches section of the Orzammar quest line. I guess it didn't help that I left Leliana and felt compelled to doubleback to lockpick everything, but still...

[Surberus]

Hate it, Hate it, Hate it

[Jman5]

I googled "dragon age I hate the fade" and this was the first result.



Just gotta say the first time I went through it, it was fun and different. My next two play-throughs I learned to hate the Fade with a passion! If only I could bring myself to skip the stat points, I could zip through it pretty fast! But noooo, I have to be one of those people who runs back and forth for an hour until I have found every stupid +stat statue.



If there was a mod out there that let me get all the + stats, and skip this place I wouldn't mind making new characters.

[I ReVaNChisT I]

only parts i liked were getting the essences and the sloth demon battle, other than thet i found it confusing and boring

[skotie]

Honestly a lot of people dislike it but I found it refreshing and different. Its the first real time in the game your forced to play solo unless you count origins, for example mage you play solo mostly but only during the Harrowing.

The forms were kinda lame since you only needed them for the access to reach the bosses though, I did find fighting with the forms fun a few times though, like fighting fire demons in burning man form or killing an Ogre in golem form. I thought it was a kind of interesting use of the fade, the only thing I disliked was the boss being a sloth demon. Why not a pride demon? Aren't they the most powerful one? Would have loved to kill one of them.

The stat bonuses were nice as well.

@what jman5 said.

lol I hear ya but when I try to think about saving the mages minus the fade part it seems way to short, that tower just isn't big enough to not have the sloth demon fade maze.

Modifié par skotie, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:40 .

[bas273]

Here's an idea:
You side with the templars and kill all the mages. When you approach the Sloth demon, he tries to cast his spell on you. There are three dialogue options:
"Cleanse Area! Quickly!"
"What.. is...happening?"
"(say nothing)"
If you select option 1, the templars will use their Cleanse Area ability and you will not go to the Fade. Instead you get to battle the Sloth demon.

Modifié par bas273, 20 décembre 2009 - 07:02 .

[JaegerBane]

I really enjoyed this section. It reminded me of playing the old Shadowman game (the Deadside areas). I did think it was a good example of the lore given to you by the codex.



I did think the Shapeshifting was infinitely better than it is via the Specialisation. Shifting from Burning Man post-fireball to Spirit, Crushing Prisoning something then shifting to Golem to lay the smackdown on my opponents was just win.

[bas273]

I wish you could learn those shapeshifting forms after you've completed the Fade section. That's what I expected when I completed it for the first time.

That would surely make shapeshifting more interesting: if Morrigan can transform to the Burning Man, Golem, Rat and Spirit forms.

[BroBear Berbil]

cipher86 wrote...

I like timing myself each time I go back now to see how fast I can get through, getting all the stat enhancements along the way.

Best time so far: 42 minutes.  This is my fourth time going through, gonna see if I can knock it down to 40.

I like to time how fast I can get through it as well....because I hate it so much.

[vickiediablos]

It was interesting the first time round; the second time just felt long and tedious. I'm not sure if I want to play it a third time... but it's not like I have a choice if I want to unlock as many achievements as possible.

[geoffsbg]

Ugh.  The Fade Prison.  Forgive me, Bioware, you guys are great.  But can you make an optional patch to remove the fade prison please?  Just kidding.  Sort of. 
Here's why I'm not a fan - it lacks everything that makes bioware games great. 

1. There's almost no character interaction - your party is gone, and the only guy you can talk to is totally depressing and uninteresting.  You can't play any tricks on him, persuade him to give you anything, rob him, attack him, convince him to come with you, etc.  I just escape my way through his spiel now and exit the dialogue asap before I feel like killing myself.
2. Absolutely NO ways to develop your character as far as role-playing, making moral choices, etc. 
3. There's literally only ONE way to do it.  The only possible variation to it is the order in which you visit the islands.  But once you learn the most efficient way to do it, there's no reason to do it any other way. 

It's probably my biggest barrier from starting a new character.  I get an idea for something new to try, but then its like "oh damn, I'd have to do the fade prison again.... ugh".  Doesn't matter if you're role playing an honorable human warrior, a wicked elf rogue, a mad murderous mage, or a magical psychic zebra, it's the same thing everytime. 

The Fade was supposed to be a place of dreams, right?  I was hoping it would be just downright bizarre, with all sorts of wacky, incomprehensible characters to interact with, constantly shifting environments, things that defy reason yet seem totally reasonable, etc.  Just like dreams.  Except with demons.   Yet all we get is this large, simplistic 'puzzle' involving dozens of halls and rooms that look the same, and the same 4 'obstacles' to get by.  Even the things you fight are essentially the same things you see in the real world with only slight variations (ooh.. it's a 'burning darkspawn' now.  Pinch me, I must be in the Fade.) 

I perked up slightly when I came into my companion's dreams (spoilers?).  I started with Alistair.  His response to "They're demons, you know," was great.  But the other companion nightmares were a let down.  I was actually downright mad about Dog's nightmare.  What was that about??  He's sleeping, then you .... wake him up .... and that's it?  Seriously?  Why isn't he stuck in a tree being hounded by a pack of rabid cats?  Or sitting at a dinner table with a human family, convinced he's one of them, trying unsuccessfully to eat a steak with a fork and knife.  And you've got to convince him to be a dog again.  Other ideas??  Some clever, wacky nightmares would have been better motivation to play it again.  But really the whole thing should've been rethought.  Just my opinion. It's a strong opinion, but only b/c I love this game so much.  Bioware is one of few companies to make RPGs that are worthy of 'complaining' about. 

[grimeyhippy]

thought the fade was poorly done and not much effort was put into it. some floating furniture and blurry edges does not represent the spirit realm elaborately enough for me

Modifié par grimeyhippy, 20 décembre 2009 - 02:25 .

[DeathTyrant]

I don't enjoy it either, but thankfully I can get through it in no time now. Apart from getting the essences, I waste little time.

[Jsmith0730]

I thought it felt a little too... DMC'ish for me.



Kind of reminds me of a Sunday afternoon at grandmas as a kid. Long, boring but you just keep reminding yourself "It'll be over soon"

[huxley00]

I am glad I see some people hate this part.  I loathe playing this part.  I started a new game and saved it to last just because I wanted to get it over with.  You are seperated from your party and there is no role playing happening or growth other than free stat boosters.  Once you have it down it can be done quickly but its just very very very boring.  Baldurs Gate II had a dungeon b gone mod for a crappy area of the game, only hope there will be a mod for this one.

[thegreateski]

It was. . .interesting the first time around.



After the first time it just had me asking: "Who do I have to knife to get out of this hell hole?"