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[Mobius-Silent]

naes1984 wrote...

How would their bodies know if the other creature is sentient? Wouldn't the only thing that matters be the amount of DNA that can be randomized? Humans and Chimps have the same (or nearly the same) amount of DNA. What if they mate with a human with diminished capacity? How would their bodies know?

Asari reproduction gains _nothing_ from the DNA of the father species. The joining is done at nervous system level and information from that nervous system is used to modify Asari DNA in the child, the implication is that there is some commonality in all races in the manner that "thought" and "personality" are represented electrically in whatever passes for a brain in all Asari-breeding-compatible races. It's resonable to assume that the nervous system of an animal species would not provide enough stimulus for the bonding. This is interesting in that it gives the Asari an automatic manner to determine who is "sentient enough" a question we strugle with when assessing creatures like dolphins.

[Avatar231278]

naes1984 wrote...

Avatar231278 wrote...

Depends. If humans would have a genetic disease - undetectable until it is too late - that brings them to kill people like praying mantiss females kill their partners... I don't know, if we wouldn't lock them away either...

We do have something like the ardak yaskshi. 1 in 20 people are clinical sociopaths. These people are the most likely to be serial muderers, sexual predators, frauds, and professional criminals. You could probably even develop tests from an early age to detect sociopathic personalities. Also you have the XYY "supermale" with an extra chromosomes. These folks are unusually agressive and low intelligence and are disproportionately represented in prisons. Also, you have HIV infected people who are not prevented from continuing their sexual activities. These are all actual real comparisons to real life. However, At least in my country there are laws that say that the capacity to kill or injure is not sufficient to deny life, liberty, and property. One must actually commit the crime before they can be punished. 

Yikes. These "mutations" all don't kill people per definition if they have sex with them. "Most likely to be serial murderers,..." is not per definition.

The XYY-"Syndrome" makes the affected men - contrary to common belief - NOT aggressive. No studies produced viable results. The ONLY case - that led to this misconception - was the case of Richard Speck who killed 8 people in 1966 and his lawyer appealed to the XYY-Carotype of his client. This case was pushed by the media. In real Speck wasn't even affected by XYY, as neither his lawyer nor the attorney rendered an expert opinion. I hope I cleared things up for you concerning the XYY-Syndrome (and Alien³ is not a reference on it )

HIV is a disease. You can't compare it to a mutation plus you can still have sex without immediately killing your partner or even infecting him.

The laws also state, that mentally unstable persons with excessively aggressive behaviour and the urge to kill others should be put into certain facilities, where trained personell can take care of their special needs. Still that makes people not AY, but this is as close as we can get.

[Flidget]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

How would their bodies know if the other creature is sentient? Wouldn't the only thing that matters be the amount of DNA that can be randomized? Humans and Chimps have the same (or nearly the same) amount of DNA. What if they mate with a human with diminished capacity? How would their bodies know?

Asari reproduction gains _nothing_ from the DNA of the father species. The joining is done at nervous system level and information from that nervous system is used to modify Asari DNA in the child, the implication is that there is some commonality in all races in the manner that "thought" and "personality" are represented electrically in whatever passes for a brain in all Asari-breeding-compatible races. It's resonable to assume that the nervous system of an animal species would not provide enough stimulus for the bonding. This is interesting in that it gives the Asari an automatic manner to determine who is "sentient enough" a question we strugle with when assessing creatures like dolphins.

Now that the Geth have been upgraded to a nearly-organic level of complexity, I wonder if it's enough to make them compatible with the Asari.

I mean, just think of all the things they can download themselves into . . . 

[naes1984]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

How would their bodies know if the other creature is sentient? Wouldn't the only thing that matters be the amount of DNA that can be randomized? Humans and Chimps have the same (or nearly the same) amount of DNA. What if they mate with a human with diminished capacity? How would their bodies know?

Asari reproduction gains _nothing_ from the DNA of the father species. The joining is done at nervous system level and information from that nervous system is used to modify Asari DNA in the child, the implication is that there is some commonality in all races in the manner that "thought" and "personality" are represented electrically in whatever passes for a brain in all Asari-breeding-compatible races. It's resonable to assume that the nervous system of an animal species would not provide enough stimulus for the bonding. This is interesting in that it gives the Asari an automatic manner to determine who is "sentient enough" a question we strugle with when assessing creatures like dolphins.

Yes but what if someone is severely mentally retarded and their brain does not function above the level of a high functioning animal like a chimp? The asari are probably the least scientifically-based creature in the ME universe. It's basically space magic.

[Escocido]

Watsonian: Asari do give birth to live young, although I will always stick to my tentacled cloaca theory. I also think that said "Azure" is sexually irrelevant at this point in their evolution, so they just use it to attract other species. The tentacles enter here, since it makes the organ able to adapt to different genitalia.

The telepathic nature of their mating means that they are attracted to interesting minds, although they can also develop physical preferences. This means that non-sentient species are just not attractive to them, their minds have no flavor. The Yahg, however...

Last but not least, obviously their form is surprisingly human-like, since they use human armor. But they project a weak telepathic field that makes every species notice particular specific characters they may find attractive. Asari are not tricksters, they just make you focus on their positive traits.

Doylist: They had to shoehorn pansexual blue-skinned space babes somehow. I don't like this, but now that they are there, just don't ask questions and enjoy the blue boobies.

[Flamesz]

cutegigi wrote...

Avatar231278 wrote...


Probably a burst of growth in her final stage of reaching maturity. Over all put in relation to the human lifespan she is just 16 years old.

so shepard is......pedobear ?

Ofcourse not =_=

Paedophiles are attracted to pre=pubescent children. And it depends on what the age of consent is. For example, in the UK 16 is the age of consent.

[Avatar231278]

In Austria it's 14 for females, 16 for males. And again we learned something

[Shallyah]

Would people be so obsessed with insignificant details about Asari if they looked like males?

Would people massively make male sheps to go gay on them, as they do now with femshep?

Modifié par Shallyah, 05 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Kyazain wrote...

I have wondered if there was a jelly-like fluid under their head tentacles.

Don't ask me why I thought of that.....

I'd doubt it. Joker is as curious about head tentacles ("do they move???") and at one point he asks Liara about it. If you support him, Liara will tell him and you about them.

They are fairly rigid cartilage structures. I'd say they will be very similar in structure/feel to our ears.

Also relating 
"haircuts for asari". Game mentions several times cosmetic procedures for asari scalp, but I would say they will be more like orthopedics or plastic surgery than haircuts.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 05 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Escocido]

Shallyah wrote...

Would people be so obsessed with insignificant details about Asari if they looked like males?

Would people massively make male sheps to go gay on them, as they do now with femshep?

More bafflingly, why do people ask questions when they know the answers perfectly well?

[Avatar231278]

Shallyah wrote...

Would people be so obsessed with insignificant details about Asari if they looked like males?

Would people massively make male sheps to go gay on them, as they do now with femshep?

Interesting question for once.

ad 1) If they looked like males, I would ask myself how they give birth to their children, and how they feed them as they are mammals - t would be an evolutionary misstep. Also the fetuses of many species are female per definition, and it is determined by certain factors if they become male later on.

ad 2) really no idea

[SimKoning]

Did they have males at some point in their ancestry like all known parthenogenic species? There is actually a species of lizard made up of all females that still have to mate with other females (yes, they are lesbian lizards) in order to ovulate. From this we can infer that there were once male Asari, and that they must have been wiped out in their distant past, possible by some disaster similar to what nearly wiped us out 70,000 years ago.

[Syenthros]

Zolt51 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

Do Asari really look human or is it just some biotic mind trick?

Haha, that bachelor party in ME2 was well worth listening to... what if the banshee thing is their real apperance?

You, sir, have ruined Asari for me. You bastard. D=

Are Asari carbon-based?

[naes1984]

Avatar231278 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

Avatar231278 wrote...

Depends. If humans would have a genetic disease - undetectable until it is too late - that brings them to kill people like praying mantiss females kill their partners... I don't know, if we wouldn't lock them away either...

We do have something like the ardak yaskshi. 1 in 20 people are clinical sociopaths. These people are the most likely to be serial muderers, sexual predators, frauds, and professional criminals. You could probably even develop tests from an early age to detect sociopathic personalities. Also you have the XYY "supermale" with an extra chromosomes. These folks are unusually agressive and low intelligence and are disproportionately represented in prisons. Also, you have HIV infected people who are not prevented from continuing their sexual activities. These are all actual real comparisons to real life. However, At least in my country there are laws that say that the capacity to kill or injure is not sufficient to deny life, liberty, and property. One must actually commit the crime before they can be punished. 

Yikes. These "mutations" all don't kill people per definition if they have sex with them. "Most likely to be serial murderers,..." is not per definition.

The XYY-"Syndrome" makes the affected men - contrary to common belief - NOT aggressive. No studies produced viable results. The ONLY case - that led to this misconception - was the case of Richard Speck who killed 8 people in 1966 and his lawyer appealed to the XYY-Carotype of his client. This case was pushed by the media. In real Speck wasn't even affected by XYY, as neither his lawyer nor the attorney rendered an expert opinion. I hope I cleared things up for you concerning the XYY-Syndrome (and Alien³ is not a reference on it )

HIV is a disease. You can't compare it to a mutation plus you can still have sex without immediately killing your partner or even infecting him.

The laws also state, that mentally unstable persons with excessively aggressive behaviour and the urge to kill others should be put into certain facilities, where trained personell can take care of their special needs. Still that makes people not AY, but this is as close as we can get.

But they give the AY a choice. Prison or death. Not all of them are prone to instability or violence as can be seen with Samara's 2 monk daughters. People can only be committed to mental health facilities either by 1st committing crimes and getting a mental health evaluation OR by sometimes their family has a limited ability to begin such procedures for committing them but this usually has some burden of proof. There is always notice and a hearing. A dude walking down the street minding his own business can't be put into a mental health facility unless he takes some action against himself or others no matter how predisposed for violence he is. The AY might be crazy like Morinth or peaceful but they are all given the same choice no matter what they do. I can guarantee that if asari developed into AY or acquired it from a virus like am STD they would be in the same position of imprisonment or death because they would be just as dangerous. Or if the AY only killed a 10% of their mates, they would still probably be cloistered or killed.

[Avatar231278]

Syenthros wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Imp of the Perverse wrote...

Do Asari really look human or is it just some biotic mind trick?

Haha, that bachelor party in ME2 was well worth listening to... what if the banshee thing is their real apperance?

You, sir, have ruined Asari for me. You bastard. D=

Are Asari carbon-based?

Most likely they are. Carbon based life has many advantages over other forms - especially because it can create - with the exception of H - the highest numbers of compounds of all elements.

[SimKoning]

 Real life Asari! Well... kinda.. http://en.wikipedia....Parthenogenesis

[naes1984]

SimKoning wrote...

 Real life Asari! Well... kinda.. http://en.wikipedia....Parthenogenesis

Weird.

[Ivar01]

I have actually come to wonder if the Krogan nervous system causes issues for Asari. In particular their redundant nervous system. There is an established example of an Asari producing a child with a Krogan, so its' clearly possible they can interface. I just wonder if it complicates the process for the Asari involved.

[lucidfox]

Oh look, it's this thread again.

[greggm2000]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

How would their bodies know if the other creature is sentient? Wouldn't the only thing that matters be the amount of DNA that can be randomized? Humans and Chimps have the same (or nearly the same) amount of DNA. What if they mate with a human with diminished capacity? How would their bodies know?

Asari reproduction gains _nothing_ from the DNA of the father species. The joining is done at nervous system level and information from that nervous system is used to modify Asari DNA in the child, the implication is that there is some commonality in all races in the manner that "thought" and "personality" are represented electrically in whatever passes for a brain in all Asari-breeding-compatible races. It's resonable to assume that the nervous system of an animal species would not provide enough stimulus for the bonding. This is interesting in that it gives the Asari an automatic manner to determine who is "sentient enough" a question we strugle with when assessing creatures like dolphins.

I think we don't really know exactly how it works. Liara says in ME1 that in Asari reproduction that they "explore the genetic memory of the species". Genetic memory implies genes, yet she also says that physical contact isn't necessary, so.. I don't know. It could be a little inconsistency in the ME lore. I'm not sure it's ever been fully spelled out (or if it has, I missed it).

[greggm2000]

Hendrik.III wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

Hendrik.III wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I've always wondered whether Asari find non humanoid non intelligent creatures, aka animals, sexually attractive and whether or not they'd be able to produce children with them.

^ this

Though I think a certain level of sentience is needed for bonding (though it's not specifically stated).
But I guess rule 34 applies to every species...

How would their bodies know if the other creature is sentient? Wouldn't the only thing that matters be the amount of DNA that can be randomized? Humans and Chimps have the same (or nearly the same) amount of DNA. What if they mate with a human with diminished capacity? How would their bodies know?

They wouldn't. This demands a study into the sexual perversities of the Asari race. Are they as deviant as that of the humans? or WORSE!?

I mean, if Liara has a Hanar half-sister... her "dad" was that one's mother who had a sexual experience with a big, stupid jellyfish. When this doesn't cause shock and outrage among the bystanders, imagine what would 

I'm not sure how they could be any more deviant than humans... trust me, as long as it moves (and even when it doesn't), someone, somewhere, has tried to mate with it. For that matter, I seem to recall a news report awhile back of some guy in Japan marrying his chair. (yes, I'm serious, though it might have been a different piece of furniture)

[Mandalore313]

To OP and everyone who is being serious here :


Read this.

If there's stuff you wanted to know but it wasn't there, use your imagination, it's all imaginary anyway.

This thread's direction is just awkward and probably gives gamers a bad name.

Thanks.

Modifié par Mandalore313, 05 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[greggm2000]

shrimprahmen wrote...

does liara consider fem shep a cougar?

Nah, femshep is only in her early 30s.. besides, "cougardom" implies a bunch of social things that likely don't apply when it comes to Asari.. or likely even Humans in the ME universe.

[greggm2000]

Mandalore313 wrote...

To OP and everyone who is being serious here :


Read this.

If there's stuff you wanted to know but it wasn't there, use your imagination, it's all imaginary anyway.

This thread's direction is just awkward and probably gives gamers a bad name.

Thanks.

Heh, anyone reading this is going to be a fan that's interested in the subject, what with how quickly stuff scrolls in the forums   It's all in good fun.

[Tom Lehrer]

Ivar01 wrote...

I have actually come to wonder if the Krogan nervous system causes issues for Asari. In particular their redundant nervous system. There is an established example of an Asari producing a child with a Krogan, so its' clearly possible they can interface. I just wonder if it complicates the process for the Asari involved.

That is a good question. The Krogan are only the most obvious examole of this but if we look into it we can see issues with them interacting with the nervous systems of all races.

The Krogan nervous system is discribed as being an electrically conductive fluid which would make Asari melding hard of not impossible. When we consider other races there is the matter of neurotransmitters.

The transmitter that tells us something is hot could mean cold to Asari assuming they even use the same transmitter. More likely we would not have any of the same transmitters which would make Asari melding not work at all.

This is where reality and fantasy should split as suspension of disbelief takes over.