I honestly want to see everyone from DA 2 to actually get closure from a current gen Bioware game since there wont be an expansion or anymore dlc.
-I want to know what Morrigan, OGB, and my mage warden were up to
-I wouldn't mind seeing Sten, Alistar, Shale, Leileana (her voice is very sexy), and Sigrun.
-I also really want to see Rhys, Evangeline, Adrian and Cole. They were awesome characters.
Who would you like to see in DA3?
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 03:58
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i would like to see no1 from da2 i would like to see a very big world!with a lot of places to go ! a lot of quests and a lot of difrent ways to do them! counsequences! and more tactical rpg fights
i want to see the art style of dao upgraded insted the ugly style of da2
i want to see the art style of dao upgraded insted the ugly style of da2
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#53
Posté 17 avril 2012 - 04:02
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I want all new characters.
The Origins story is over and I don't really care about the DA2 events. So I'm hoping for a new game that won't just ride the coattails of Origins
The Origins story is over and I don't really care about the DA2 events. So I'm hoping for a new game that won't just ride the coattails of Origins
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 04:04
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I would like to see more Shale, Sandal, Morrigan, Merrill and Alistair. Sandal will no doubt come back I'm sure. Must have more ENCHANTMENT!
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 07:15
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Tourneys.
If the mechanics are worked out half well the jousting might be fun but I doubt we'll get on a horse in a Dragon Age game anytime soon. But melees? We should enter a few melees. It's Orlais... full of bored nobles why not enter a few tourneys to make gold and a reputation?
If the mechanics are worked out half well the jousting might be fun but I doubt we'll get on a horse in a Dragon Age game anytime soon. But melees? We should enter a few melees. It's Orlais... full of bored nobles why not enter a few tourneys to make gold and a reputation?
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 07:47
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Foolsfolly wrote...
Tourneys.
If the mechanics are worked out half well the jousting might be fun but I doubt we'll get on a horse in a Dragon Age game anytime soon. But melees? We should enter a few melees. It's Orlais... full of bored nobles why not enter a few tourneys to make gold and a reputation?
Ooo that would be fun!
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 07:54
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Zevran, Alistair, Fenris, Anders, Morrigan, Flemeth, Sten, Isabela, Varric and i have a feeling we will see Leliana again...
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 03:54
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Hmm...
The only one I'm really set on seeing as a party member again is Leliana. I'd like to see the boy from Redcliff all grown up as a member of your party. A new Black Fox. Maybe those last two could be the same character.Sigrun or Velanna maybe, that I mention later... Beyond that:
I want to see my Wardens for sure, but not at the same point no matter who they were.
I want to see my Dalish Warden with the Dalish elves, my city elf leading a major military faction or on the Denerim council, where she was for a while, maybe even in a revisit to the keep during the events of DA:A, or in an unexpected adventure. I want to see my mage with Morrigan and her god baby, and Morrigan to have a major role regardless. I want my human noble as the king of Ferelden (hopefully the Ferelden monarch, whether the Warden, Alistair, ..can't remember her name right now, the queen..., or whatever two out of three will have a major role in DA3). My dwarf noble is dead, but other dwarf noble wardens could replace whoever as the representative of Orzammar at some point in the game, and really, mine had a son, so I'd like to see that son. My dwarf commoner isn't finished yet, but I imagine she could pop up as part at any given point depending on your end game state, like the rest. Basically a significant cameo with some kind of larger import to the events of the game, that lets me see what my Warden's doing. I don't want a "rides off into the sunset" ending to stand as the last we see of them. I always hate those.
Basically slide the Warden in wherever your game state says he or she should be, during the course of DA3's main plot quests, in a significant way, and let us choose his or her voice from a few options each between male and female options, or auto-choose it based on their race, gender, and origin, either way.
I want to see Hawke, with his or her love interest at some point in the game, most likely involved with Flemeth since DA2 pushes so hard in that direction, but he or she is otherwise less involved with the wider world, unless we see him or her during their time in Kirkwall for a little scene. I'd perhaps like to see a clash between Morrigan, her child, and potentially the Warden vs. Hawke and Flemeth, perhaps, and the player determines who survives.
I want to see Morrigan, again, the monarch of Ferelden, again, whoever that happens to be, I'd like to see Velanna, potentially Anders/Vengeance if he survived your DA2, I want to see Sigrun somewhere definitely, Merrill for sure, potentially in conjunction with Morrigan, Isabella somewhere again, Sebastian in his city state king role, maybe Shale, maybe Zevran, maybe Sten. I want to potentially see the "Rose of Orlais" if we get into the power play between Denerim and Redcliff at any point. Maybe Cullen if he turned out a serial killer in your DA:O save, like he's supposed to be in some of mine, but definitely not as a party member.. Cassandra probably, though I'm not in love with her character. Save the mage kids from both games for a game centered on Tevinter. Maybe see all the potential Wardens that are still Wardens from both games in a single scene/mission. The travelling salesdwarves are of course going to be back.
So all together, ? signalling I see them in a few potential roles, the list is:
Party:
Leliana
Redcliff kid grown up
a Black Fox (maybe the Warden, potentially? fits for some Wardens; prefer this to potentially be the player anyway)
Sigrun ?
Velanna ?
Main Plot significant appearance:
Warden (all)
Morrigan
Morrigan's Godchild
Merrill ?
Hawke
Flemith
Denerim monarch: may be Warden, Alistair, etc.
Redcliff Arl/Arlessa
Sebastian
an All-Warden team: Includes potentially Nathaniel, Bethany, Oghren, Sigrun ?, Velanna ?, etc.
Potential Cameos:
Warden's son
Sigrun ?
Merrill ?
Cassandra
Velanna ?
Isabella
travelling salesdwarves
Anders/Vengeance
Shale
Sten
Zevran
killer Cullen
And that's my full list. I like it like that. :-) If a character's not mentioned, it's because I really like these better for the kind of game and the setting I'm expecting from DA3, and there's only so many spots or you get out of hand. I love Varric, for instance, but I think he'd have to be kind of shoehorned in to show up. The other more minor ones tend to be roaming around at this point. So take the Party list and the Main Plot list and then fill out whatever available cameo space with a combination from the Cameo list, a few of which should definitely be there in some small way, like Cassandra. I listed the Cameos from, personally, most important to least important to include in their own dedicated scene.
The only one I'm really set on seeing as a party member again is Leliana. I'd like to see the boy from Redcliff all grown up as a member of your party. A new Black Fox. Maybe those last two could be the same character.Sigrun or Velanna maybe, that I mention later... Beyond that:
I want to see my Wardens for sure, but not at the same point no matter who they were.
I want to see my Dalish Warden with the Dalish elves, my city elf leading a major military faction or on the Denerim council, where she was for a while, maybe even in a revisit to the keep during the events of DA:A, or in an unexpected adventure. I want to see my mage with Morrigan and her god baby, and Morrigan to have a major role regardless. I want my human noble as the king of Ferelden (hopefully the Ferelden monarch, whether the Warden, Alistair, ..can't remember her name right now, the queen..., or whatever two out of three will have a major role in DA3). My dwarf noble is dead, but other dwarf noble wardens could replace whoever as the representative of Orzammar at some point in the game, and really, mine had a son, so I'd like to see that son. My dwarf commoner isn't finished yet, but I imagine she could pop up as part at any given point depending on your end game state, like the rest. Basically a significant cameo with some kind of larger import to the events of the game, that lets me see what my Warden's doing. I don't want a "rides off into the sunset" ending to stand as the last we see of them. I always hate those.
Basically slide the Warden in wherever your game state says he or she should be, during the course of DA3's main plot quests, in a significant way, and let us choose his or her voice from a few options each between male and female options, or auto-choose it based on their race, gender, and origin, either way.
I want to see Hawke, with his or her love interest at some point in the game, most likely involved with Flemeth since DA2 pushes so hard in that direction, but he or she is otherwise less involved with the wider world, unless we see him or her during their time in Kirkwall for a little scene. I'd perhaps like to see a clash between Morrigan, her child, and potentially the Warden vs. Hawke and Flemeth, perhaps, and the player determines who survives.
I want to see Morrigan, again, the monarch of Ferelden, again, whoever that happens to be, I'd like to see Velanna, potentially Anders/Vengeance if he survived your DA2, I want to see Sigrun somewhere definitely, Merrill for sure, potentially in conjunction with Morrigan, Isabella somewhere again, Sebastian in his city state king role, maybe Shale, maybe Zevran, maybe Sten. I want to potentially see the "Rose of Orlais" if we get into the power play between Denerim and Redcliff at any point. Maybe Cullen if he turned out a serial killer in your DA:O save, like he's supposed to be in some of mine, but definitely not as a party member.. Cassandra probably, though I'm not in love with her character. Save the mage kids from both games for a game centered on Tevinter. Maybe see all the potential Wardens that are still Wardens from both games in a single scene/mission. The travelling salesdwarves are of course going to be back.
So all together, ? signalling I see them in a few potential roles, the list is:
Party:
Leliana
Redcliff kid grown up
a Black Fox (maybe the Warden, potentially? fits for some Wardens; prefer this to potentially be the player anyway)
Sigrun ?
Velanna ?
Main Plot significant appearance:
Warden (all)
Morrigan
Morrigan's Godchild
Merrill ?
Hawke
Flemith
Denerim monarch: may be Warden, Alistair, etc.
Redcliff Arl/Arlessa
Sebastian
an All-Warden team: Includes potentially Nathaniel, Bethany, Oghren, Sigrun ?, Velanna ?, etc.
Potential Cameos:
Warden's son
Sigrun ?
Merrill ?
Cassandra
Velanna ?
Isabella
travelling salesdwarves
Anders/Vengeance
Shale
Sten
Zevran
killer Cullen
And that's my full list. I like it like that. :-) If a character's not mentioned, it's because I really like these better for the kind of game and the setting I'm expecting from DA3, and there's only so many spots or you get out of hand. I love Varric, for instance, but I think he'd have to be kind of shoehorned in to show up. The other more minor ones tend to be roaming around at this point. So take the Party list and the Main Plot list and then fill out whatever available cameo space with a combination from the Cameo list, a few of which should definitely be there in some small way, like Cassandra. I listed the Cameos from, personally, most important to least important to include in their own dedicated scene.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 04:20
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I would like to see hawke.. so upseting how this character ends.. arg I can't stop feeling frustated by all this ****.. maybe another week and this feeling will go away or I.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 07:14
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I want there to be some search into the ruins of Arlathan to discover some ancient and powerful artifact. At the end you quest you fight a Varterral. Later on, you discover that the Varterral was actually the Warden, transformed. It would be the fate that I could see as the most appropriate for my Warden. He certainly has utterly no desire to get involved in what's going on at the moment.
Hawke I think needs to die. Yes, I think that's necessary. It's the only fate I can see for Hawke without it being necessary for her to keep showing up everywhere. It would be far too difficult for me to expound her motivations, but in all likelihood, she will pursue being at the forefront of this war. Consequently, she needs to die.
Sten can never be seen again. He must have died in battle and there be no record of it, because he is just another Sten. That is what he would want.
Fenris... I think it would be sad to discover Fenris has become embroiled in this war. He needs to find a quiet and peaceful place to live out his days, with battle no longer a part of his life. For that reason, he also must never be encountered again.
Merrill...might have to be killed by Hawke. Hawke initially found her charming and attractive, but after she had to kill the Keeper and the Mahariel Clan, she is slowly growing to hate her. With Merrill's clan dead and the pursuit of her last ten years of her life failed, she probably needs to die anyway. I think she should be recorded as having died in battle by Hawke's side, but in truth Hawke actually killed her before she herself died.
And that is the list of the characters I care about. Alistair, Morrigan, Oghren, Wynne, Leliana, Zevran, the Warden never cared about any of them; Leliana's presence gave him hope that someone whose life had been destroyed could still live, but that was proved to be ultimately untrue as far as he concerned, and, emotionless, he never truly cared for her anyway, just what she represented. While the Dragon Age II characters were generally more likable, both for me and for Hawke, they aren't likable enough for a return. The former three are the only ones that are, and their appropriate fate means that they won't.
Hawke I think needs to die. Yes, I think that's necessary. It's the only fate I can see for Hawke without it being necessary for her to keep showing up everywhere. It would be far too difficult for me to expound her motivations, but in all likelihood, she will pursue being at the forefront of this war. Consequently, she needs to die.
Sten can never be seen again. He must have died in battle and there be no record of it, because he is just another Sten. That is what he would want.
Fenris... I think it would be sad to discover Fenris has become embroiled in this war. He needs to find a quiet and peaceful place to live out his days, with battle no longer a part of his life. For that reason, he also must never be encountered again.
Merrill...might have to be killed by Hawke. Hawke initially found her charming and attractive, but after she had to kill the Keeper and the Mahariel Clan, she is slowly growing to hate her. With Merrill's clan dead and the pursuit of her last ten years of her life failed, she probably needs to die anyway. I think she should be recorded as having died in battle by Hawke's side, but in truth Hawke actually killed her before she herself died.
And that is the list of the characters I care about. Alistair, Morrigan, Oghren, Wynne, Leliana, Zevran, the Warden never cared about any of them; Leliana's presence gave him hope that someone whose life had been destroyed could still live, but that was proved to be ultimately untrue as far as he concerned, and, emotionless, he never truly cared for her anyway, just what she represented. While the Dragon Age II characters were generally more likable, both for me and for Hawke, they aren't likable enough for a return. The former three are the only ones that are, and their appropriate fate means that they won't.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 07:25
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1) A tevinter magister. Don't make him into a cartoon villain but a real character. Perhaps play up the fact that he comes from a culture which has been waging an exhausting war against the Qunari and so is prepared to do whatever for victory.
2) Cullen. Just to pander to his fangirls. Besides I would like to have an actual member of the Templar order and more orthodox follower o Andraste in my party..
Nobody else from the core games as a returning party member.
2) Cullen. Just to pander to his fangirls. Besides I would like to have an actual member of the Templar order and more orthodox follower o Andraste in my party..
Nobody else from the core games as a returning party member.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 07:30
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I would like to see more of:
Flemeth and Morrigan =)
Leliana makes sense to be seen in DA3, given her role in DA2 i guess.
I sure will miss Aveline, Varric, Isabela and Hawke. If the writers can find a way to include them without it being blatant fan service then that would be great. =)
Flemeth and Morrigan =)
Leliana makes sense to be seen in DA3, given her role in DA2 i guess.
I sure will miss Aveline, Varric, Isabela and Hawke. If the writers can find a way to include them without it being blatant fan service then that would be great. =)
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 08:44
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A toolset and multiplayer... then the community could take over if BioWare screws up. I don't know why we haven't gotten anything to the extent of the original Neverwinter Nights yet.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 09:51
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yetiawesome wrote...
1) A tevinter magister. Don't make him into a cartoon villain but a real character. Perhaps play up the fact that he comes from a culture which has been waging an exhausting war against the Qunari and so is prepared to do whatever for victory.
2) Cullen. Just to pander to his fangirls. Besides I would like to have an actual member of the Templar order and more orthodox follower o Andraste in my party..
Nobody else from the core games as a returning party member.
YAY! Thanks yetiawesome!
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 10:19
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5trangeCase wrote...
Hawke I think needs to die. Yes, I think that's necessary. It's the only fate I can see for Hawke without it being necessary for her to keep showing up everywhere. It would be far too difficult for me to expound her motivations, but in all likelihood, she will pursue being at the forefront of this war. Consequently, she needs to die.
Yes because killing the main characters of the game is a great idea! thats why the forum is full of "bring the warden back".. am I right? <_<
If bioware writers kills hawke because "boo boo it keep showing up everywere" maybe is because of how poor they started and finished that story... well to me they didn't finished so..
Any way 99% of the character that TO YOU needs to die are well liked it, one of them is Merril.. so getting the kill merril is going to be harder than killing Sebastian, yes thats how popular she is.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 10:50
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Other than the obvious (Flemmeth, Morrigan, Sandal, etc) Merrill and Sebastian need to return and have a major impact on the plot. They were the only characters in DA2 who's storylines don't seem finished and can have a long lasting effect on the series. Wasting that oppourtunity would be incredibly wrong. Finn and Ariane for similar reasons Also:
Lily: She was betrayed by her blood mage boyfriend and shipped off to a templar run prison full of criminal mages. With the war looming it is not so unthinkable that the mages could liberate the prison (Aonar or something like that?) With everything she's been through she could make for an extremely compelling character.
Velanna: Her search for her sister seems like the best way to continue the talking Darkspawn storyline. I imagine her as a temporary party member minimum. Full party member might be nice too as being pulled into a human conflict when she hates humans so much might actually be interesting.
Silas Corthwaite: Because his name is Silas Corthwaite. No other reason.
Bethany/Carver: To make up for them being cut out of half of DA2 and losing their chance to shine in an expansion. There is also great potential for their storylines no matter which ending you got for them in DA2.
Charade: She seemed like a really cool woman and getting cut out after one quest didn't do her any justice.
That girl Hawke saved in The Magistrate's Son: As a warrior fighting for the rights of city elves. We really need someone to fulfill that role in a notable way and she seems like she could work.
Lily: She was betrayed by her blood mage boyfriend and shipped off to a templar run prison full of criminal mages. With the war looming it is not so unthinkable that the mages could liberate the prison (Aonar or something like that?) With everything she's been through she could make for an extremely compelling character.
Velanna: Her search for her sister seems like the best way to continue the talking Darkspawn storyline. I imagine her as a temporary party member minimum. Full party member might be nice too as being pulled into a human conflict when she hates humans so much might actually be interesting.
Silas Corthwaite: Because his name is Silas Corthwaite. No other reason.
Bethany/Carver: To make up for them being cut out of half of DA2 and losing their chance to shine in an expansion. There is also great potential for their storylines no matter which ending you got for them in DA2.
Charade: She seemed like a really cool woman and getting cut out after one quest didn't do her any justice.
That girl Hawke saved in The Magistrate's Son: As a warrior fighting for the rights of city elves. We really need someone to fulfill that role in a notable way and she seems like she could work.
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Posté 18 avril 2012 - 11:15
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my Warden, Hawkes, Cullin, Anders, Morrigan, Flemmeth, Sandal,
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 05:47
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Leliana for sure, but since the third game is in Orlais that seems inevitable at some point. I would love Cassandra as a companion, but that seems inevitable as well. I can't really think of anyone else I'd like back to be honest, I'd be more than happy with a whole new group with some cameo's, possibly the original Warden. Couldn't care less about Hawke, and Anders is dead in my game, so lulz.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 12:36
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Dang, misread the thread...deleted a whole bunch of stuff.
What I'd like to see is some cameo's from 'other' characters that aren't Orlesian (French), Ferelden (American, English). The John Cleese cameo was magnificent in Jade Empire. Why no 'Chinese, Spanish, German, Dutch, African, Scandinavian influence for the hell of it?
From DA:O, I'd like to see Shale again. She is such an amazing character and it would rock (see what I did there?) to take her to talk to a French princess. The dialogue could be hilarious.
I'm also wondering what happened to Sten. He was also a good fleshed-out character.
What I'd like to see is some cameo's from 'other' characters that aren't Orlesian (French), Ferelden (American, English). The John Cleese cameo was magnificent in Jade Empire. Why no 'Chinese, Spanish, German, Dutch, African, Scandinavian influence for the hell of it?
From DA:O, I'd like to see Shale again. She is such an amazing character and it would rock (see what I did there?) to take her to talk to a French princess. The dialogue could be hilarious.
I'm also wondering what happened to Sten. He was also a good fleshed-out character.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 01:01
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Huntress wrote...
5trangeCase wrote...
Hawke I think needs to die. Yes, I think that's necessary. It's the only fate I can see for Hawke without it being necessary for her to keep showing up everywhere. It would be far too difficult for me to expound her motivations, but in all likelihood, she will pursue being at the forefront of this war. Consequently, she needs to die.
Yes because killing the main characters of the game is a great idea! thats why the forum is full of "bring the warden back".. am I right? <_<
If bioware writers kills hawke because "boo boo it keep showing up everywere" maybe is because of how poor they started and finished that story... well to me they didn't finished so..
Any way 99% of the character that TO YOU needs to die are well liked it, one of them is Merril.. so getting the kill merril is going to be harder than killing Sebastian, yes thats how popular she is.
Sten is my favourite character so far, but he needs to die. That is what he would want, and what he deserves.
Equally, death is Hawke's fate, as far as I'm concerned. You could say its bad writing that this forces the death of Hawke, I'm not really judging, I'm just observing the ending of Dragon Age II and judging that Hawke's death is necessary for the story to continue.
I doubt BioWare care if they kill well-liked characters, nor should any creator. All the more impactful if they kill someone who the players care about. I don't know much about Sebastian because I refuse to make use of the in-box DLC.
Look, I don't mind if Merrill, Sten and Hawke don't die. I just think they should.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 03:10
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fchopin wrote...
None, give us something new.
Couldn't agree more.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:55
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I still would like to see Morrigan and Leliana, but with a new twist this time. Also, they should give the option such as they did in DAO on whether to allow the hero or Warden to live or not. (Morrigan giving her/him the opportunity to have sex so she could have a child for the Old Gods)
Also, my opinion is they should expand the story line more than what they plan on, if there is a DAIII.
DAO seemed so short you had to add a few mods to expand the length of the game in order to enjoy it more. DA2, about the same, too short.
Expand the game base without the mods.
Also, my opinion is they should expand the story line more than what they plan on, if there is a DAIII.
DAO seemed so short you had to add a few mods to expand the length of the game in order to enjoy it more. DA2, about the same, too short.
Expand the game base without the mods.
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Posté 19 avril 2012 - 09:59
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One last thing I would like to see: I would like to see Orlais, Ferelden, and the Free Marches tied together in one large map and used in the whole game. Not just one section like Orlais. We need it all.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 06:22
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I *do not* want a story Templar party member. We had Alistair, you can have your brother in DA2, and I don't want another situation that's either too similar or one in which you have to potentially lose either the templar or a mage because of the mage/templar war. That conflict is too simple to make up the bulk of the game. I'm rooting against that, and I don't want a character preaching about it the whole game after DA2 just spent the last game doing the same thing.
I'm not expecting the main conflict of the next game to be the templar/mage war, and I hope that's just the beginning, but I thought about seeing her as well. I couldn't remember her name, but I like that idea, not necessarily the mages liberating part. Any mage incarcerated there is likely lobotomized anyway, right? And then they'd be moved on. But I could see the prison getting visited, especially if Morrigan and the Warden are known to be active, and Lily being brought out to potentially tie into that situation, if the Warden is a mage, of course. If Javon is still himself, he could also play into that scenario (fairly unlikely with how difficult it was to convince the Redcliff arl, but possible of course through other decision paths, and if that check was made).
Leon481 wrote...
Lily: She was betrayed by her blood mage boyfriend and shipped off to a templar run prison full of criminal mages. With the war looming it is not so unthinkable that the mages could liberate the prison (Aonar or something like that?) With everything she's been through she could make for an extremely compelling character.
I'm not expecting the main conflict of the next game to be the templar/mage war, and I hope that's just the beginning, but I thought about seeing her as well. I couldn't remember her name, but I like that idea, not necessarily the mages liberating part. Any mage incarcerated there is likely lobotomized anyway, right? And then they'd be moved on. But I could see the prison getting visited, especially if Morrigan and the Warden are known to be active, and Lily being brought out to potentially tie into that situation, if the Warden is a mage, of course. If Javon is still himself, he could also play into that scenario (fairly unlikely with how difficult it was to convince the Redcliff arl, but possible of course through other decision paths, and if that check was made).
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