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[Rick0625]

 So I am playing  a Dwarven Castless Rogue. I have just killed the Arch Demon and took the killing blow myself. I wouldn't allow Allistair to take it so that he could rule the Fereldon.
 
 After watching the credits and my own funeral I have to say I am extremely impressed with this game. I can see from reading other thoughts on these forums that your actions obviously depicts what ending you get because mine pretty much tied up every loose end with the exception with Anora..

 My rogue is a paragon of Orzammar, Morrigan even after killing Flemeth...still ended up running off after she threw a fit that I would not impregnate her w/ the demon spawn. "my next playthrough ill let the **** die by her moms hand"

  All in all... as a grown man I almost teared up at the end while reading and watching all the dialogue sewing up the loose ends of this wonderful game.

 I am immediately starting a fresh one....maybe do some things different. " Like playing an evil character this time"

 Anyways, I just wanted to share my thoughts with everyone here.....seeing how if I try to do so to my wife or RL friends I will just end up looking extremely "geek" .... lol but thats ok AMIRITE!

[izmirtheastarach]

On my second plathrough I crafted everything to be what is best for Ferelden. Hardened Alistair rules with Anora, and Loghain redeems himself by killing the archdemon.



But on my first playthrough, I didn't know you could spare Loghain and still have Alistair be king, so I killed Loghain myself. I found that very emotional, as I did not want to kill him. And of course I had to sacrifice myself to save Alistair so he could go on to be king. I think that was by far the most emotionally effecting ending.

[MonkeyLungs]

Yes the game is great the ending is superb and many choices you amke affect it. Unless it is really late at night/early morning I almost immediately start a new game after finishing one. Amazing game.

[DalVel]

Unless it is really late at night/early morning I almost immediately start a new game after finishing one. Amazing game.

That happened twice to me already! despite the wee morning hours <.<

[Original182]

Thank you for sharing. The lore in Dragon Age is great. I'm engaged in many heated debates in the forums due to the shades of grey in the game.

[demireamer]

after my first play i did all the origin story, i kinda want to see some of changes just based on where you started how much better it must be to go back and take out the cartel that was going to kill you over a silly bet it must feel then, to just do it cuz you want them to pic a damn king. and killing tim curry (i dont rember the in-game name) when your Nobel human must be much mroe rewarding, to few hours in the day lol

[SleepyBird]

Just finished my first playthrough as well, and have extremely mixed feelings about how it all went down.  I played as female Dalish elf, pursued the romance with Alistair, had him made king, refused Morrigan's offer, and had to watch him sacrifice himself for me in the end.

Overall the quality of the writing in the game is superb, so it was crushing to wind up with such an unsatisfying conclusion.  The backstabbing b**** gets to be queen?  And no one says boo about the fact that I just lost the man I was supposedly in love with?  Huzzah, I'm the hero, never mind that my heart is broken?  I just would have appreciated a little nod to the pathos of the situation.

I'm also deeply frustrated that male characters are given an option of following a storyline where their life can be saved by their romantic subplot (morally ambiguous though it may be) and female characters are given no equivalent option.  Asking Alistair to sleep with Morrigan is NOT the same and the writers must know that.  This feels like I played throgh 70 hours of a truly wonderful game only to be told that the end "Whoops, sorry, you were supposed to be a dude."  It's a kind of a big middle finger to the entire female gaming commity.

I hate to nitpick about the ending details when I so throughly enjoyed the rest of the game, but I just finished the game and am feeling so very let down at the moment. 

Am I overreacting or did anyone else feel this way?

[Rick0625]

You could have taken the sacrifice yourself but that doesn't exactly leave you with a happy ending still ..... I soppose there isn't one if you are a female....

[Gemihoo]

SleepyBird wrote...

I'm also deeply frustrated that male characters are given an option of following a storyline where their life can be saved by their romantic subplot (morally ambiguous though it may be) and female characters are given no equivalent option.  Asking Alistair to sleep with Morrigan is NOT the same and the writers must know that.  This feels like I played throgh 70 hours of a truly wonderful game only to be told that the end "Whoops, sorry, you were supposed to be a dude."  It's a kind of a big middle finger to the entire female gaming commity.

I think they were actually telling you "WHOOPS SORRY you were supposed to be a human noble" there. I was pretty heartbroken to learn that there wasn't any possible happy ending to being a mage AND choosing to put Alistair on the throne, but at the same time I liked the consistency involved. They made me understand and agree (if reluctantly) why Alistair and I couldn't be together. (Now if only some of that consistency could be applied to becoming a blood mage, or even Alistair's dialogue during the Final Onslaught when you DON'T make him king, wtf.) I personally found Alistair's romantic subplot to be the best written romance in the game, and they did give you a huge variety of possible endings for just the Alistair thing alone, so no, I don't feel shafted by the writers.

And yeah, if you played male, you can have your life saved by having sex with Morrigan, but you still lose her no matter what. I don't think male characters get it better.

[Obadiah]

demireamer wrote...

...and killing tim curry (i dont rember the in-game name) when your Nobel human must be much mroe rewarding...

Oh heavens yes.

[frostajulie]

On the one and only playthrough where I beat the game Alistair had left me because I spared Loghains life. After promising to stay together no matter what after swearing he loved me he just leaves. I mean seriously we are only 2 wardens against an army of darkspawn and a farking archdemon and All I wanted was to put Loghains steel between Alistair and death and he just leaves. I swear if I had known ahead of time and was given the option of shouting okay wait then I will kill him and I would have decapitated Loghain right there but we are not given the option.



I say "please don't go" and he does, just walks out. I killed and bled and had his back in every battle and he just walked away. I was so shocked and YES heartsick I saved the game and walked away. when I came back I just went through the motions of completing the game and when I found out that I had the option of dying after defeating the archdemon I jumped on it because in my heart I was dead the moment Alistair left. All I had left was victory in battle and death at the end. When my mage stuck that sword in the archdemon and lights exploded everywhere I pretended she screamed his name as she died. when Anora gave her eulogy I looked in vain for alistair at the funural and he was not there. The woman he loved died, he was not there to protect her and he wasn't there to say good bye. I burst into tears.



Brilliant writing.



I now play to ****** Alistair off because my mage loved him so much and he left her like she was nothing.



What a great game.

[SleepyBird]

I went back and replayed the final battle to get the self sacrifice ending, and it is certainly more satisfying than letting Alistaire take the final blow. At least this way the backstabbing b**** doesn't become queen, things work out much better for the elves, and my character gets a nice little cutscene funeral where Alistaire admits he's sad I'm gone. I guess that other ending was BioWare's punishment for my failing to keep the king alive.



I'm still bugged by the fact that male characters get the option to father an old god, and female characters only get the option to ask some man to do it for them, but overall I still loved the game. I'd be extremely interested to hear if the dev's have ever been asked about this or commented on why they made this particular choice. (And what percentage of the writing staff is female, and whether they fought against this at all)



Anyone know if this has been brought up in forums and/or addressed by the devs?

[Original182]

SleepyBird wrote...

I'm still bugged by the fact that male characters get the option to father an old god, and female characters only get the option to ask some man to do it for them, but overall I still loved the game. I'd be extremely interested to hear if the dev's have ever been asked about this or commented on why they made this particular choice. (And what percentage of the writing staff is female, and whether they fought against this at all)

Anyone know if this has been brought up in forums and/or addressed by the devs?

Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

[tigrina]

No it is not. And yes this subject has gone through the roof already on this forum. And main writers, or at least here on the forums, are ofcourse David Gaider, Mary Kirby and Sheryl Chee, so that makes 2 women.

Original182 wrote...
Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

It is not a fault no, but I do think the writer team may have underestimated the amount of negative feelings female players are experiencing when you ask them to sleep with another woman, and the woman who you know he hates (and maybe you yourself hate too). It could also be intentional, not sure. I know I wouldn't even dream to ask that my real life partner. That is besides the part (which goes for every player) if you want to have that ritual baby at all or not.

I decided to go this route at least once, but even when I already knew what would happen, I had a hard time actually doing it in game. For a game it is quite an intensive one. But that is only a compliment to the makers.

One thing is for sure, this game doesn't have a very rainbow and butterfly ending, which is fitting in the setting.

[SleepyBird]

Original182 wrote...

Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

I'm not asking for an option to personally impregnate Morrigan (**shutter**), I'm asking for an alternate option involving my own character. 

Why not have my own character mysteriously disappear after the battle?  It's not as if there wasn't opportunity for her to become pregnant.  Everyone could simply assume she died killing the archdemon, her body lost amidst the chaos of the battleground, meanwhile she could be off setting up some interesting new story for future games involving the old-god child. 

I'm not saying this is an ideal scenario, or even what I would necessarily choose, but at least it could have been an option.

[Aieth]

It's still BS that you can't ask Riordan to impregnate her :S WTF

[Alistair Crowley]

Why not have the female main character get pregnant (by Alistair for example) and then have to give the kid to Morrigan as payment later on? The kid would be tainted in a similar way to what happens in the male MC story if you go that way - the kid absorbs the essence of the archdemon in the same way and lets say Morrigan helps the MC with her magic somehow. This would be the closest match to what the male MC goes through story wise (except mothers are even less likely to want to give their kids away, I suppose).

[tigrina]

SleepyBird wrote...

Original182 wrote...

Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

I'm not asking for an option to personally impregnate Morrigan (**shutter**), I'm asking for an alternate option involving my own character. 

Why not have my own character mysteriously disappear after the battle?  It's not as if there wasn't opportunity for her to become pregnant.  Everyone could simply assume she died killing the archdemon, her body lost amidst the chaos of the battleground, meanwhile she could be off setting up some interesting new story for future games involving the old-god child. 

I'm not saying this is an ideal scenario, or even what I would necessarily choose, but at least it could have been an option.

For the very simple reason that Morrigan (or Flemeth most likely) had a ritual in mind which Morrigan will never fully tell you. In her world view you just don't hand out that kind of power, but you need that ritual to get the untainted god essence in the end. Chances of a Grey Warden to get pregnant are small, though not zero.

[SleepyBird]

tigrina wrote...

For the very simple reason that Morrigan (or Flemeth most likely) had a ritual in mind which Morrigan will never fully tell you. In her world view you just don't hand out that kind of power, but you need that ritual to get the untainted god essence in the end. Chances of a Grey Warden to get pregnant are small, though not zero.

But there's no reason a deal can't be made with Morrigan by a female character any more than it could be made by a male character.  Her ritual could be preformed on the PC just as easily as on herself.  In terms of story it should be even easier (and significantly more satisfying) to convince Alistaire to spend one last night with the PC than make him sleep with Morrigan.  (Probably a tougher sell to Loghain though.) 
The idea of the character making a deal to give up the baby to Morrigan only intensifies the moral ambiguity of the choice.  If you believe Morrigan's story that she wants to save the old god, giving it the opportunity to be free of corruption, then it wouldn't be unreasonable for the character to give the baby to Morrigan for its own protection and education. 

[Original182]

tigrina wrote...

Original182 wrote...
Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

It is not a fault no, but I do think the writer team may have underestimated the amount of negative feelings female players are experiencing when you ask them to sleep with another woman, and the woman who you know he hates (and maybe you yourself hate too). It could also be intentional, not sure. I know I wouldn't even dream to ask that my real life partner. That is besides the part (which goes for every player) if you want to have that ritual baby at all or not.

Well imagine how hard it is for male characters who have had a relationship with Morrigan, only for her to leave them with their baby, asking them not to follow her.
The devs didn't neglect female PCs, they make it possible for both male and female PCs to experience this immoral situation.

[Original182]

Aieth wrote...

It's still BS that you can't ask Riordan to impregnate her :S WTF

I think it was explained that the taint in Riordan was too old or something, and that it'll only work with "new" Wardens.

[FlintlockJazz]

SleepyBird wrote...


I'm also deeply frustrated that male characters are given an option of following a storyline where their life can be saved by their romantic subplot (morally ambiguous though it may be) and female characters are given no equivalent option.  Asking Alistair to sleep with Morrigan is NOT the same and the writers must know that.  This feels like I played throgh 70 hours of a truly wonderful game only to be told that the end "Whoops, sorry, you were supposed to be a dude."  It's a kind of a big middle finger to the entire female gaming commity.

I hate to nitpick about the ending details when I so throughly enjoyed the rest of the game, but I just finished the game and am feeling so very let down at the moment. 

Am I overreacting or did anyone else feel this way?

Yeah right, you really suffer.  Aside from the fact that you actually get to marry the person your character supposedly loves AND get to be queen whereas males have to ditch their best bud Al, basically backstab him, and marry some backstabbing harpy to get to be king, losing their love interest on the way...oh wait...

Females get it much easier, and at lower cost.

[TastyLaksa]

Original182 wrote...

tigrina wrote...

Original182 wrote...
Surely it's not the dev's fault that females can only be impregnated by males, and that Morrigan is a female!

It is not a fault no, but I do think the writer team may have underestimated the amount of negative feelings female players are experiencing when you ask them to sleep with another woman, and the woman who you know he hates (and maybe you yourself hate too). It could also be intentional, not sure. I know I wouldn't even dream to ask that my real life partner. That is besides the part (which goes for every player) if you want to have that ritual baby at all or not.

Well imagine how hard it is for male characters who have had a relationship with Morrigan, only for her to leave them with their baby, asking them not to follow her.
The devs didn't neglect female PCs, they make it possible for both male and female PCs to experience this immoral situation.

I romanced both Morrigan and Lelianna. Chose Lelianna at the end so morrigan was like the ex. Okay I admit there was some two timing but yeah her tent was cold and all and well..

Anyways even though I ended up with the girl (Lelianna) it still felt really bad that some woman with my child is wondering around where I cannot possibly find her or am allowed to find her. Only did the ritual to save lives.

[Walina]

"my next playthrough ill let the **** die by her moms hand"

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