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[Artst3in]

Yes... And "dead family member" is not an excuse for afking for the rest of the match. If something like that happens and you don't even have 5 seconds to shut the PC down, then disconnect Internet cable/turn WI-Fi off (takes 1 second), maybe somebody else will take your place and contribute to the team.
Die, leechers.

[SuperADJ]

Artst3in wrote...

Yes... And "dead family member" is not an excuse for afking for the rest of the match. If something like that happens and you don't even have 5 seconds to shut the PC down, then disconnect Internet cable/turn WI-Fi off (takes 1 second), maybe somebody else will take your place and contribute to the team.
Die, leechers.

I really hope you are joking.

[Excellent_Mong]

Artst3in wrote...

Yes... And "dead family member" is not an excuse for afking for the rest of the match. If something like that happens and you don't even have 5 seconds to shut the PC down, then disconnect Internet cable/turn WI-Fi off (takes 1 second), maybe somebody else will take your place and contribute to the team.
Die, leechers.

If you were just told that someone in your family had died, don't you think you'd have more to worry about than what's going on with your PC/Xbox/PS3? 

Going AFK is not the same as leeching.  Going AFK for a legitimate reason is even further from leeching.  I agree with all the points made about communication and consideration for other players.  If you're going to be a moment, let your team know.  If you're going to be 15 minutes, maybe you should consider leaving the game.  If you're legitimately called away from the game because of something happening in real life, fair enough.  Courtesy is appreciated though.  If someone has to go answer their phone in my game, no worries.  Tell me, and I can act accordingly in-game.

That said, it's been my experience that most people won't employ their mic, and without communication, it's impossible to know what's happened to someone.  Without absolute certainty, there's no way to ensure innocent people won't be punished, and without that guarantee, how can anyone have complete confidence in any kind of blacklist?  I'm an honest guy, but why would I expect anyone to believe me when I make that claim?  None of you know me, so what's preventing me from blacklisting my friends for a joke?  Or the guys who didn't revive me on wave 10 of my game?  Or, as mentioned previously, the guy who I argued with on a forum?

Sorry for the wall of text, but good discussion will inevitably benefit the community.  This isn't a stupid idea, not by a long shot, but it's impossible to implement in a 100% fair and reliable way because it relies on everyone to be absolutely honest and objective about their opinions of player behavior; let's not be naive by thinking that this will be the case. 

[Artst3in]

Excellent_Mong wrote...

Artst3in wrote...

Yes... And "dead family member" is not an excuse for afking for the rest of the match. If something like that happens and you don't even have 5 seconds to shut the PC down, then disconnect Internet cable/turn WI-Fi off (takes 1 second), maybe somebody else will take your place and contribute to the team.
Die, leechers.

If you were just told that someone in your family had died, don't you think you'd have more to worry about than what's going on with your PC/Xbox/PS3?

And yet, you had time to take cover in the far end of the map. You see what I mean.

Modifié par Artst3in, 05 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[AntiChri5]

And what is the evidence required to add someone to such a list?

Are these claims independently verified? By a neutral party?

Whats that? No evidence? No verification?

Nothing to stop someone from adding a player to the list because they are grumpy that the player kicked them? Nothing to stop someone from adding a player to the list because they kept "stealing their kills"?

Yeah this is a terrible idea.

You could always simply man up and accept the fact that some people are ****s and will find a way to ruin your fun.

[akula51]

What about a thread with literally no verbiage, and just screen shots of after-action reports? I understand that President Obama and Vladimir Putin often call some of our teammates for advice while they're playing ME3 and all, but there's never going to be an excuse for consistently getting that phone call during round 1, and then wrapping it up during the last 30 seconds of round 11. I'm guessing that this tactic reveals itself pretty clearly when you see the same people doing it a couple dozen times a day.

[CNevarezN]

Lmao @ Akula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmyw404]

Razyel_Kain - AFKd through the entire match, didn't even have the decency to hide in a corner so he confused the rocket troopers at the start of each round. Also he made farting noises in the mic.

[methodshaolin]

"Nullt0" ... another afker

Modifié par methodshaolin, 05 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[derpyderpderpin]

its good to know that i'm not the only one who gets stuck with useless players who dont play for most of the match or think they are unkillable cause they are krogen but end up getting everyone else killed trying to save their dumbasses plz if u cant play seriously then dont play i would hate to have a good game ruined cause of a few people who credit **** or think the are king and cant die

[draconian139]

"Sorry for the wall of text, but good discussion will inevitably benefit the community. This isn't a stupid idea, not by a long shot, but it's impossible to implement in a 100% fair and reliable way..."

Almost nothing is, that doesn't mean you should never implement something,instead it just means that it should be made as fair as possible. Requiring a pic like Akula said would take care of most issues. Sure it could be photoshopped but that's more effort than most people would put in. Also remember that its not like these players are being prevented from playing with everyone. Nonforum users as well as anyone that doesn't want to participate would still play with them and that's probably the majority of the player base. Forum users would have a chance to rebutt. Yes it punishes nonforum users with rl concerns that didn't quit out unfairly but that's a rather mild punishment considering the relatively small number of people that would actually be blacklisting them.

[Sabbatine]

Razyel_Kain wrote...

it is not an attack or meant to be offensive towards other players. I am only trying to prevent others from going through the same awful gaming experience that i have gone through tonight and the nights before.

Yes i know you can say "why not leave the game". most of the times you observe these things mid game or closer to the end. Would you walk away and lose the credits/xp that you are awarded even if you lose? I didn't think so either...

You have not provided evidence to support your accusations.  For all we know these are people who played extremely well and you're just jealous of their crazy skills.

I am sure your accusations are true, but you have not provided us with any evidence and we have no way to verify your claim.

[Pyrothol]

This is going to get locked I think. I'd love nothing more than to call out the leechers but this won't last long.

[Stonewall_Jack]

vivanto wrote...

Stonewall_Jack wrote...
You should be able to pause a game.

You do know that the other players are actual people out there, right? Any temporal-lock system in a multiplayer game is impossible to do,  except for Emmett Brown maybe.

What age do you come from and what type of schooling/ education failed you miserably?

I suggest you try this 'relative' new game out: SC2

You can pause and unpause with a limited amount of pauses possible (prevents it from being used for trolling). It sort if is a must for competitive strategy gaming.

Guess what? There are also several 5 year old games with this feature (in multiplayer) on my shelf, but you're such a smart and bright person and so capable in the technical know-how that you surely are capable of finding the titles of these on your own.

Here's novelty for you: there is an MMO out there that delays time on the server side to reduce loads and as such can handle up to a 1000 players fighting. Oh snap... I might have made your head explode. **** even Emmett Brown could not delay time, WHAAAAT?!? Sorry for any head injuries caused.

Mister Professor Doctor Engineer of programming... my guess is: you work behind a cash register? My advice: keep doing that job.

Modifié par Stonewall_Jack, 05 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[Scrapulous]

Scrapulous: Total leecher and afker, but he readied up in the lobby right away after the match, and said something about having to amputate his own foot during the last match. Then he afked again when the second one started. That guy is useless.

[Excellent_Mong]

Artst3in wrote...

And yet, you had time to take cover in the far end of the map. You see what I mean.

I'm not unsympathetic as to your attitude towards leechers, if they're sitting there doing nothing behind cover, fair enough.  Kick 'em in the face.  I'm reiterating Distilled Poison's point though, about legitimate reasons to go AFK.  He never mentioned ducking behind cover while he dealt with his family situation.  My point was just that there are legitimate reasons to go AFK, and that you can't be 100% certain that someone who has gone AFK isn't dealing with a legitimate issue.  We're not talking about someone faking a death in the family here.  We're talking about that actual situation occurring.  If they're faking, **** 'em. 

(Bit off topic, but I can use obscenities without fear of being banned right?  I'm not directing them at anyone, just for general effect) 

I want to make it clear, I'm not defending leechers or lazy AFK-ers in any way.  Personally, an auto-kick for idling would be ideal for dealing with them, even if it only occurred on objective-based rounds.

draconian139 wrote...

"Sorry for the wall of text, but
good discussion will inevitably benefit the community. This isn't a
stupid idea, not by a long shot, but it's impossible to implement in a
100% fair and reliable way..."

Almost nothing is, that doesn't
mean you should never implement something,instead it just means that it
should be made as fair as possible. Requiring a pic like Akula said
would take care of most issues. Sure it could be photoshopped but
that's more effort than most people would put in. Also remember that
its not like these players are being prevented from playing with
everyone. Nonforum users as well as anyone that doesn't want to
participate would still play with them and that's probably the majority
of the player base. Forum users would have a chance to rebutt. Yes it
punishes nonforum users with rl concerns that didn't quit out unfairly
but that's a rather mild punishment considering the relatively small
number of people that would actually be blacklisting them.

Here we go with another wall of text, but at least I format it!

You make a couple of reasonable points here, but my concern is the number of times that the word 'most' appears before those points.  Consider the justice system.  You can't convict a person because most of the evidence points to them doing something.  It needs to be conclusive, at least in theory.  I'm supportive of a blacklist, but only if it can be guaranteed that innocent users won't be unduly affected.  I just don't think that 'most' is good enough, when the potential consequence of being on a blacklist might ruin your gaming experience, for which you presumably paid money.

A picture is not conclusive enough for me.  A video, maybe.  Something like Teamviewer to verify that a user is actually doing nothing for multiple rounds, even better.  Checking a game log (if such a thing exists) for non-changing coordinates on a map, even better.  I acknowledge those latter options (teamviewer and logs) are impractical, I'm just demonstrating the level of evidence I'd want to prevent innocent people getting inconvenienced.

All that said, you make an excellent point about this being restricted to forum users.  That does shield the wider community from potential harm, but doesn't that cripple the effectiveness of this list?  How many people play MP compared to the number of users on this forum?  I assume there are a lot.  Are you going to print a copy to keep next to you while you play and manually cross-check the people in your game?  Keep a browser open to check?  You could do both of these things, and I admit, the black list would serve it's somewhat limited purpose.  Millions of people bought this game though.  Unless Bioware/EA create an official and enforced black list, it just seems unlikely that a community based option would be effective and in my opinion, has the potential to be significantly abused without an appropriate standard of proof. 

Summarising my opinion though: keep it simple, and just implement an idle kick.  If you go AFK between objective rounds, at the beginning of wave 3/6/10, you get booted.  No XP/credits for leechers, and no one faces any severer (is that a word?) punishment than losing a bit of XP/credits.

Goddamn, I need to learn to be concise, what an **** I am with these long posts!

[LemonStimpacks]

sblllbl

Modifié par LemonStimpacks, 05 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[bchesson]

The reason naming is against the rules is because while I'm not calling you a liar there is no facts to support what you are saying. You're calling this person a leech/bad player and without proof you're really just slandering someone. Right now it's a "you said / you said" scenario.

[Scrapulous]

bchesson wrote...

The reason naming is against the rules is because while I'm not calling you a liar there is no facts to support what you are saying. You're calling this person a leech/bad player and without proof you're really just slandering someone. Right now it's a "you said / you said" scenario.

It's worse than that. We can reasonably assume that most players don't even visit the forums. Given that, it'll most often be a one-sided interchange, where the named and shamed party doesn't even have the opportunity to defend himself against the charges.

[WizenSlinky0]

Oh yes. For this to work we only need an objective and fair way to determine bad players from straight up leechers. Anyone...?

Oh guess not. Well, maybe it's worth it anyway. It's not like this is in any way slander or perhaps insulting or cruel? Oh, wait, it is?

Hmmm...

Perhaps not then.

[thesinned]

laniromee or Ianiromee (not sure if it's small L or I), afked at gold from wave 3 to wave 10

[Hantaksk]

I wonder.. if i uploaded videos with gameplay footage where people where inactive for X round to X round (or the entire match as it has happened to me before) would that still be against the rules?

I actually have a little piece of papaer next to my pc where i writte down the nicks of those players who have done stuff like ragequiting or beign inactive during most of the matches, but im not gonna risk myself getting banned out of forums or the game for some scrubbs.

[Distilled Poison]

I can't believe people are still posting names here.

Do you people realize that this basically a trial where the defendent can not defend himself, the prosecutioner is the jury, and no evidence is needed?

Look, I want to keep legitimate leechers out of my game as much as the next guy, but short of a video of a guy saying "I'm going to leech now" there's no way to differentiate between people who go AFK for legitimate reasons and those who leech. A picture of the aftergame scoreboard or a video of them not moving does not show WHY they left. You have no right to ruin another player's experience over such lousy evidence.

So just grow up, vote kick them, and avoid them. Crying about it online makes you look like a child and helps nothing.

[Hantaksk]

Distilled Poison wrote...

I can't believe people are still posting names here.

Do you people realize that this basically a trial where the defendent can not defend himself, the prosecutioner is the jury, and no evidence is needed?

Look, I want to keep legitimate leechers out of my game as much as the next guy, but short of a video of a guy saying "I'm going to leech now" there's no way to differentiate between people who go AFK for legitimate reasons and those who leech. A picture of the aftergame scoreboard or a video of them not moving does not show WHY they left. You have no right to ruin another player's experience over such lousy evidence.

So just grow up, vote kick them, and avoid them. Crying about it online makes you look like a child and helps nothing.

LOLWUT?

Not everyone here is going on a blind witch hunt against people who "leech" or go afk.

First of all you cannot place in the same situation people who really need to go afk and do it, from those who just sit on a game for them to be carried over and level up characters with no effort.

How can you tell the difference?
well, common sense dictates that IF you need to go afk for about 10 or so minutes you dont stay there doing nothing, you quit the freaking game.
how you cannot think of that? i know because ive done it, if i had some real life stuff to do that cannot wait i say "im sorry i need to go" and i leave i dont sit around waiting for my partners to finish the game for me.

The real deal is, IF its allowed to upload videos showing people not doing anything for the whole game, or people rage quiting after they vent or flame other team mates using the mic.
I got names written down next to my desk, if i see them on the lobby i vote kick them, if i cannot get rid of them i leave myself, not before warning the other players.

You then ask why post this over forums?
well this is a "community" and this is the whole point of forums, to support each others gaming experience, to sort out troubles like this.

The bottom line issue is the lack of tools to deal with this situations during the game, and we as a community are trying to face it, at least in a suboptimal way by using forums.

[unafmous618]

inb4 thread lock