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[admcmei]

I see poison on both sides. Most people who open a thread to say they like the ending never forget to put in some kind of insult to anti-enders (at the very least they insinuate people who don't didn't "get" it). That's why I've taken myself off the debate lately, people are going overboard on both sides with this.

[Grimwick]

greghorvath wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

The problem is most people who like the ending never give a proper explanation as to why they think the ending is so great. I'm fine with those people getting mocked.

The problem is that most people who don't like the ending give retarded silly explanations why they did not.

I personally liked the ending, because:

1. It concluded the trilogy. Shepard died and his death was a meaningful sacrifice.
2. Nice graphics. I like colours.
3. Plotholes of this magnitude (the ones you end likers list are usually not serious, you just think they are) do not bother me. If they did, I would not have played anything after Shepard suffocated/was incinerated/was pulverized then the remains (hahaha, sure...) magically restored in the intro of ME2.
And to be honest, very few stories do not have plotholes. People just differ in sensitivity and comprehension, AND the capability to rise above the. Some people mistake artistic license for plotholes. I read a lot, so I have no such problem. 
4. Does not give silly explanations and leaves room for speculation concerning the origin of all things.
5... I will not list any more because the topic is not worth it

List your reasons and I will refute them all (well, at least most of them). Or on second thought, don't list them. They are all over the forum that you and your buddies are ruining. And most are not worth commenting on.

Could the endings have been better? Probably yes.

Is the ending of a video game worth all this fuss? Probably not.

Is the forum overrun by idiots and whiners? Undeniably yes.

Yes insult us, that perfectly justifies your "answers"... /sarcasm

[greghorvath]

Grimwick wrote...

Yes insult us, that perfectly justifies your "answers"... /sarcasm

Have you read the post that was a reply to?
Did you read the later comments?

Get back to me when you have. /no sarcasm

[RukiaKuchki]

Ctserber wrote...

Actually most threads I've seen by people who enjoyed the endings have comments such as, "Congratulations, I'm genuinely happy for you," etc. Few people are bashing or mocking people who liked the endings. Mocking people who give poor explanations for why the ending is good is another matter, but mostly people are just glad that a few others managed to enjoy it.

That is so untrue and you know it (or you haven't been reading this forum for very long!.

There's no one saying that you can't dislike the game/ending etc, but the typical response to someone who defends the ending is 'you're wrong', 'you're an idiot', 'everyone else hates it so you must hate it too', 'the polls say it' bad so you can't disagree with them', 'you're just a troll' 'we should punish Bioware' blah blah blah. And the vast majority of rude comments have been directed towards the minority. Sometimes it's difficult to explain why you like/dislike something. Some people don't need complete closure to a story, they don't need a happy ending, they don't want their questions answered because it can be fun to do it for yourself. Regardless, there has been a very strong mob mentality here, which is destructive. The message is getting lost in bitter, repetitive prowse. 

I'm not disgusted with this forum, I just think it's very disappointing that opportunities for discussion are often hijacked by a number of people who perhaps ought to find another outlet for their agression now. It's also very annoying that everything associated with ME3 is spammed by people commenting on the ending. It's time to calm down and grow up a little I think.

[abaris]

admcmei wrote...

I see poison on both sides. Most people who open a thread to say they like the ending never forget to put in some kind of insult to anti-enders (at the very least they insinuate people who don't didn't "get" it). That's why I've taken myself off the debate lately, people are going overboard on both sides with this.

Yeah, I see that too.

Not just on this board or about this game, but everywhere. Personally I don't feel the compulsion to jump into a thread I know I wouldn't like to take a quick dump on the OP.

I hate the endings, but if someone feels the need to express their gratitude about them, I stay clear.

[greghorvath]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Ctserber wrote...

Actually most threads I've seen by people who enjoyed the endings have comments such as, "Congratulations, I'm genuinely happy for you," etc. Few people are bashing or mocking people who liked the endings. Mocking people who give poor explanations for why the ending is good is another matter, but mostly people are just glad that a few others managed to enjoy it.

That is so untrue and you know it (or you haven't been reading this forum for very long!.

There's no one saying that you can't dislike the game/ending etc, but the typical response to someone who defends the ending is 'you're wrong', 'you're an idiot', 'everyone else hates it so you must hate it too', 'the polls say it' bad so you can't disagree with them', 'you're just a troll' 'we should punish Bioware' blah blah blah. And the vast majority of rude comments have been directed towards the minority. Sometimes it's difficult to explain why you like/dislike something. Some people don't need complete closure to a story, they don't need a happy ending, they don't want their questions answered because it can be fun to do it for yourself. Regardless, there has been a very strong mob mentality here, which is destructive. The message is getting lost in bitter, repetitive prowse. 

I'm not disgusted with this forum, I just think it's very disappointing that opportunities for discussion are often hijacked by a number of people who perhaps ought to find another outlet for their agression now. It's also very annoying that everything associated with ME3 is spammed by people commenting on the ending. It's time to calm down and grow up a little I think.

Agree 100%, and I am so happy with the wording that I myself can hereby remove myself from this argument. Thanks. greg out.

[TheNevincer]

Fancy that. I'm disgusted with Bioware.

[Grimwick]

greghorvath wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Yes insult us, that perfectly justifies your "answers"... /sarcasm

Have you read the post that was a reply to?
Did you read the later comments?

Get back to me when you have. /no sarcasm

Yeah I think I might have... otherwise I wouldn't have put it in the whole quote.
I personally don't agree with your reasoning but hey thats my opinion.
But maybe my opinion doesn't matter because we are all whiny children apparently /sarcasm

[Halfdan The Menace]

Calm down, son. Sit down and enjoy the show.

[philippe willaume]

greghorvath wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

The problem is most people who like the ending never give a proper explanation as to why they think the ending is so great. I'm fine with those people getting mocked.

The problem is that most people who don't like the ending give retarded silly explanations why they did not.

I personally liked the ending, because:

1. It concluded the trilogy. Shepard died and his death was a meaningful sacrifice.
2. Nice graphics. I like colours.
3. Plotholes of this magnitude (the ones you end likers list are usually not serious, you just think they are) do not bother me. If they did, I would not have played anything after Shepard suffocated/was incinerated/was pulverized then the remains (hahaha, sure...) magically restored in the intro of ME2.
And to be honest, very few stories do not have plotholes. People just differ in sensitivity and comprehension, AND the capability to rise above the. Some people mistake artistic license for plotholes. I read a lot, so I have no such problem. 
4. Does not give silly explanations and leaves room for speculation concerning the origin of all things.
5... I will not list any more because the topic is not worth it

List your reasons and I will refute them all (well, at least most of them). Or on second thought, don't list them. They are all over the forum that you and your buddies are ruining. And most are not worth commenting on.

Could the endings have been better? Probably yes.

Is the ending of a video game worth all this fuss? Probably not.

Is the forum overrun by idiots and whiners? Undeniably yes.

well
I am fine with the theme and the creative direction. In fact I like the last minute change of premises, but i am massively miffed with
The the lack of consistency of the ending itself.
The lack of closure for the story stakeholders, especially when that was done superbly during the game
The lack of impact/exposure/contextualisation of the ending with the actual play through.

I totally agree with the fact that the creative direction is BW and BW only and the flip side of that is that is that when the advertise that the ending will reflect the decision made in the game. It is their job to put the said artistic direction in context with the play through, especially after changing the premises.

Sure I can speculate to make sense of the endings but then really i can do that in my dream but then i do not need to pay for that either.
My red ending is the same for all play through regardless if it is any one of mine or yours.
I can accept that you are fine with that, i am not . I really expect the ending to be of the same quality as the rest of the game.

Phil
 
PS
If you understand statistics, you will know that It is not sound to compare pool result and the total population.
There are limiting factor linked to pooling that limit the number to a specific population.
To give you a idea for presidential election the sampling is about a 1000 people.
 
As well it is wildly accepted that about 4% of discontented people will actually complain. And when there is a neutral question (as in there are no outside influence on each possible response) people are as likely to express positive as negative opinion.
 
In any case liking and not liking are extreme indictors, usually most of people fall into the somewhat like and somewhat dislike.
All we can really say from the surveys is that the level of dissatisfaction is abnormally big and ouitstif th elevel of satsfactio by far.Because of the disproportion between, the I like and I don’t like,  we can expect the it is very likely majority of the population to be in the somewhat dislike. 
And all it measures is if the ending bothers you enough to mar the experience rather than good or bad.

Modifié par philippe willaume, 05 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[78stonewobble]

Gleym wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

The problem is most people who like the ending never give a proper explanation as to why they think the ending is so great. I'm fine with those people getting mocked.

Well they really don't have to... not any more than I should have a rational explanation for liking colour x more than y.

Oppinions in both directions are valid. Announcing your own oppinion as fact is not.

So if I'm understanding this correctly.. only the ones who DON'T like the ending have to justify themselves to the sheeple horde that keeps mocking them and calling them entitled whiners..?

No no. *lol*

You, me and anyone else doesn't have to run around justifying our oppinions to... well anyone.

We can however choose to discuss our oppinions.

The people you mentioned there however isn't anyone I would discuss anything with.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 05 avril 2012 - 11:42 .

[Kanon777]

SPACE MAAAAAGIC!!!!!111ONE OMG REDBLUEGREEN THATS THE ONLY DIFERENCE!!!!11111ONE

Thats how all "anti-endings" arguments end , idiotic memes with no real value...

[78stonewobble]

greghorvath wrote...

cgvhjb wrote...
*snip*

We can all draw different conclusions from the exact same things. That is just what happened here.

And that is why (after watching the same goddamn ending) you like the ending and I dislike it.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 05 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Katamariguy wrote...
The majority loathes the ending of Mass Effect 3. I'm fine with that, after all, there has to be a consensus. What angers me is that these people are down to mocking those who are fine with the ending. No internet community should tolerate such attitudes.

Actually, you are making two false assumptions:
-That majority isn't mocking those who are fine with the ending. Only a few does. Most are respectful of others.
-When it comes the sheers insults, it's actually more the other way: Fan who dislike the ending create a topic => other people who dislike the endigs comes and discuss => Fan who likes the endings comes and tell everyone they're retarded. Just look at most of the ending topic out there, that's how it is.

[C9316]

And we are disgusted by you OP...

[TLK Spires]

when you're wrong, you're wrong. no one who actually "supports" that embarrassing piece of horse **** non-ending has any objective or logical ground to stand on. they deserve to be shown the error of their ways.

[AntiDave]

I'm disgusted with Bioware.
I also think you are entitled to your opinion OP and I do not wish to challenge you're artristic integrity..

Modifié par AntiDave, 05 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[Navasha]

It was watching the relentless belittling attacks on anyone who DARED to voice a dissenting opinion that put me off of the whole 'retake' movement.

They didn't like the ending... fine. I wasn't thrilled with the ending either, but I certainly wasn't going to be associated with people who acted like that in response.

[abaris]

Navasha wrote...

They didn't like the ending... fine. I wasn't thrilled with the ending either, but I certainly wasn't going to be associated with people who acted like that in response.

Cut's both ways. Since I don't visit the threads containing all hail the ending, I saw my share of insults thrown at ending haters.

[N7Gold]

Katamariguy wrote...

 The majority loathes the ending of Mass Effect 3. I'm fine with that, after all, there has to be a consensus. What angers me is that these people are down to mocking those who are fine with the ending. No internet community should tolerate such attitudes.

I don't mock the people who love the endings, I just can't understand why they are blind to the fact that the endings aren't what they are promised to be, instead, they are a "A, B, C" type endings, not multiple endings that are affected by your actions from ME1, ME2, and including ME3.

[AntiDave]

Navasha wrote...

It was watching the relentless belittling attacks on anyone who DARED to voice a dissenting opinion that put me off of the whole 'retake' movement.

They didn't like the ending... fine. I wasn't thrilled with the ending either, but I certainly wasn't going to be associated with people who acted like that in response.

I think the reason why the ending supporters and Origin fanboiys are receiving so much abuse is that they actually accept buying lower quality and the decline of Bioware. They vote with their wallet for a product malking life worse for everybody else. The Retake movements is fed up with accepting less. We don't want a five star restaurant to become a fast food place like Activision. That does not justify bashing people or personally attacking them but it does justify reminding them that they are making life worse for everybody. Because they ARE one of the reasons for Bioware's decline and the fact that Mass effect became junk food.

The Retalke movement also doesn't consist of trolls andbashers. It's just that more sane people see no need to come forward every time somebody accepts DRM, an irresponsible banning policy and the worst writing in videogame history.

[frustratemyself]

Your first visit to an online forum op?