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[BurnOutBrighter]

It's hard to fathom how badly BioWare have got it wrong. How could they be so dense?

[starscreamerx31]

Its better than what we currently have. But i really wanted that catalyst scrapped. I guess ill have to wait and see where this goes

[Jag Blade]

By clarity and closure I do hope that includes changing a few things... because some plot holes and other issues cannot just be explained away.

For those of you still attending PAX, do not let up for a moment. Even if this is legit I'm sure it was only announced now to prevent any sort of outcry and another PR mess for them at PAX. Remind them what we want and why we want it, but please do so in a civil manner.

[Iakus]

clone wars wrote...

so this The Extended Cut DLC how will it work do we get new dialogue options or more choices in the ending and give my shepards a fighting to lives to see his or her li

If not then Bioware may have heard us, but they didn't listen to us

[Impactisan]

Sounds like they're building closure on the already established foundation (ME3 ending)

So I guess it was all intended after all. (long sigh) ...

[Persephone]

Aidan Rhane wrote...

Not enough info in that release to really comment on. Best to wait until there's more details on what this DLC will entail. 'Free' is a great first step, but specifics would be good. I'll sit patiently and wait until then.

THIS.

Plus, the fact that it's coming out in the summer instead of immediately (Which WOULD indicate just a few slapped together text boxes & scenes) also indicates that it'll be more than just a few minutes of cutscenes/text epilogues.

Never mind that INITIALLY people wanted CLOSURE and CLARIFICATION. They are getting this now. for FREE no less. I also do not see how it makes IT impossible. It could be the clarification that makes it all work. So why all the "IT is dead now!" crying?

I'll wait for more info. This is a good sign. They are giving away FREE content. Bioware hasn't done this in a LONG time. This has to be supported, not condemned.

[Korhiann]

I'll judge it when I see more about it. At least they are going to do something about it with no extra cost to the consumer, how well it ends up is another matter but at least I can give them kudos for this so far.

[TheMadLieut]

i just want my happy ending with liara and our blu babies right now...

[Achkas]

Getorex wrote...

I will be looking at their spoor on youtube. That's it. I will then shake my head and tsk-tsk over what once was a great franchise. The ONLY games I've ever played that were Bioware were ME games and now I wont be playing them. Nor will I be buying any DLC for them. I already got my money back for ME3 so...

The rest of you, unless you are truly suckers and pushovers, should refuse to buy any DLC until AFTER the ending feces is released to be minutely examined. They are trying to trick you into spending money on DLCs before they get the ending nonsense out...and that will make you suckers and they all the richer at your stupidity.

This DLC is free...

[Blarty]

Clarification does not necessarily mean no overall change to the ending....

Clarifying the last breath and events after it ADDS to the ending plays past the ending, EXTENDS the ending.

Indoctrination Theory requires there to be an extension to ME3 for it to work, however IT in itself requires no change to the endings as they stand, because, well, Shepard is indoctrinated and hearing voices in his head and seeing things - no change to artistic vision, additional extension to the ending results in a better 'changed' overall ending, that adds clarity and provides a better ending all round, especially where the clarity is provided after Shepard wakes up from his indoctrinated, dream-esque interaction with the Catalyst

This doesn't tank IT at all, in fact I'd say IT was stronger for it.

[Justin2k]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

It sounds like there are a few added cutscenes to the ending, no new dialogue options/choices, then afterwards a video package showing how your characters and choices mattered.

Ie Tali went home and built a house on Rannoch
Jacob got married and had a baby
Thane is still dead
Etc Etc...

Thane... Yes...

Nnn....

Awww.. 

It was a good death though. 

[Luvinn]

Well, I sure hope they 'clarify' every damn plot hole that's in this game. However, how can you 'clarify' joker running from battle? How can you clarify squad mates magically appearing aboard the Normandy? How can you clarify Shepard sheepishly going along with everything space Jesus says without questioning anything? Don't get me wrong, I want this to be good, but I'm skeptical.

[Xewaka]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
They extended. They didn't change.

They went form forcing the sacrifice of either your character or Lyons to allow one of the radiation inmune companions do it, precisely because it was pointed out this "third option" was obvious and should have existed in the first place. I'd say that counts as a change.

Modifié par Xewaka, 05 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[SweetJeeba]

I'm going out on a limb to say there will be 0 new dialogue in the cutscenes

[Kroepoek]

How do you clarify something stupid without adding more stupid to it because it doesn't make ****ing sense in the first place.

[Fenderbaum]

Lightice_av wrote...

Good luck with that one without Relay travel.

Why people still imagine that it's impossible to build new Relays, I have no idea.

Because supposedly the 'ending scene' is set a LOOOONNNNNG time after the events of ME3....remember...Shephers has passed into 'legend' now....

So obviously...no one did anything....

[Getorex]

Lightice_av wrote...

There cannot be a ME4 in the future. No relays. Also, no antagonist. ALL games require a real antagonist. The ONLY games that dont have them are realtime strategy games and crappy MMOs. ALL games have a big antagonist in one form or another. The Reapers were THE antagonist of the ME universe. They leave them gone in ME3 one way or another. They tossed out dark energy so there is NOTHING to step into the Reaper position.

New Relays can always be built. The Conduit proves that organics are capable of building Mass Relays, the quantum entanglers still communicate in all major population centers and the finest minds of the galaxy are OK in the Crucible project.

And you really lack imagination if you think that no new antagonists can be invented for the Mass Effect universe. There's no need for a sequel to try to one-up the previous game with bigger bad guys. The focus can be shifted totally to a more morally ambigious war between two factions, or even a personal story of one guy who is not out to save the galaxy, but just themselves and their loved ones from a villain of smaller scale. I've speculated for awhile of a game set entirely on the Citadel or Omega giving a more grassroot perspective of the Mass Effect universe.

Ugh...you don't understand how quantum entanglement actually works.  It is NOT (and cannot be) like some regular radio but with fancy quantum tech stuck on it.  To ENTANGLE something means that it has to be in direct communication/contact with that which you want to entangle it.  You have to first entangle atoms/molecules, then separate them and THEN use them for communication...and while doing this you CONSUME them.  They cannot be used again.  Once you use entangled atoms/molecules for measuring or communicating, they are done.  Their entanglement ceases.

There cannot be ongoing quantum entanglement communication across the galaxy unless there is a way to transport half of the entangled atoms/molecules to the recipient.  NO RELAYS.  

Forget quantum entanglement communication.  It isn't what you think it is and cannot do what you think it can.

Modifié par Getorex, 05 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[SweetJeeba]

I"m stil stuck having to choose between vomit, crap, and excrement for my ending?

[Neutral Ground]

You know what, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. We don't really have details yet, but they're obviously responding to our complaints and problems, and that's more than I expected. So I'm going to wait and see before I make any judgement calls.

[Weskerr]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Considering the size and scope of the backlash, yes, I expected them to completely change the ending. Also, they never said in any official capacity that they would or would not scrap the existing endings. Their responses have been vague PR speak from the very beginning.

It would be an insult to all the hard work their own people put into the game to do that. 

How so? As far as we know, the ending was an exclusive collaboration between Casey Hudson and Mac Walters with no input from the rest of the writing team. If anything, these two people's arrogance insulted them and may have damned the Mass Effect franchise. It was their decision to exclude the rest of the team from actively contributing to the ending. It's their fault that this backlash exists at all. If anything, it would be respectful to the rest of the Mass Effect team for these two people to admit their mistakes and allow a new ending to be created with a unified collaboration among all the people they excluded at first.

Modifié par Weskerr, 05 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Justin2k wrote...

Awww.. 

It was a good death though. 

Yeah, but if you romanced him, it's like the romance never happened and no one talks about it to you nor does Shep care. It was handled so badly it was painful.... :|

[GhostV9]

I'll reserve judgement until I see it (assuming it's real and actually is free).

[Persephone]

Neutral Ground wrote...

You know what, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. We don't really have details yet, but they're obviously responding to our complaints and problems, and that's more than I expected. So I'm going to wait and see before I make any judgement calls.

THIS.

Plus, the fact that it's coming out in the summer instead
of immediately (Which WOULD indicate just a few slapped together text
boxes & scenes) also indicates that it'll be more than just a few
minutes of cutscenes/text epilogues.

Never mind that
INITIALLY people wanted CLOSURE and CLARIFICATION. They are getting this
now. for FREE no less. I also do not see how it makes IT impossible. It
could be the clarification that makes it all work. So why all the
"IT is dead now!" crying?

I'll wait for more info. This is a good
sign. They are giving away FREE content. Bioware hasn't done this in a
LONG time. This has to be supported, not condemned.

[WizenSlinky0]

Icinix wrote...


Maybe. I'd be surprised if our epilogues really provide much variation as the three endings provide pretty much the same galaxy state after you RGB your way through.

The issue with the ending is huge and varied and there are many problems with it. Don't get me wrong, this is better than none, but, the failings with the ending are too large to be even remotely healed with a bit of clarity and closure.

Oh on a general level I'd agree. I just like to point out that these things aren't cut and dry when worded like this. And I find some people lack imagination and have invested themselves into seeing only one possible solution. Really, this will not please everyone. Nothing was going to. I'd say this was likely the "safe route" as Bioware are prone to taking.

What it'll come down to is how hard they work to create a satisfying DLC. But there's an inherent problem with that. It's coming out this summer. If it's even at a semi-respectable level the ferver will probably have died away by then.

Will be an interesting situation to watch.