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[D00m580]

Good call Bioware! Sadly people will rage over this even wit the "free of charge" stamped on it.

[SimonM72]

Casey, Mike, Mac...

HOW DOES EXTENDED-CUT CHANGE ANY OF THIS? - These are pre-release promises that people took your word for and bought your product on.  Are we not deserving of the courtesy of an answer?.

Modifié par SimonM72, 05 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[Shelled]

Mechler wrote...

Daaam I love you people.
Pre Announcement: The ending doesn't make sense - Post Announcement: The ennding will be clarified in order for it to make sense?! Boo they should have re-written half the game.
Pre Ann.: I won't pay a single dollar for this ending DLC. I will only download it if it's free - Post Ann.: This will probably suck since it's free so clearly something low quality.
Bioware is not using my theory and they are not retconing Thane's death that was very nicely done and was foreshadowed since his recruitment mission? Booo Bioware has lost the ability to write stories.

No offence guys, but you are the worst human beings I have ever come across. I am personally glad that everyone who died stays dead. Even Shepard. Especially Shepard. IT says that Shepard's survival is the only good ending and it's renegade color is a reaper trick. No. It's red because it really is the renegade choice. Instead of sacrificing himself, the selfish a-hole shepard is sacrificing EDI and the geth.

All I wanted from this ending was to bring closure to the all the NPC-s I have worked with. I'll be getting just that. For free. And since it will not be released for a long time, we can guess that they will spend a long time polishing it, or that it will be a pretty long clarification.

For those of you who will leave BW for Blizzard, do it, just don't expect any story, and don't get used to the progression system ,since it will not last longer than a year. Skyrim? Okay, do it. I enjoyed it a lot, until I got fed up with the fact that leveling up 8 levels in the middle of a dungeon didn't make things any easier, or the lack of loot progression, or the fact that I couldn't really find a good reason to care about all the stuff I had to do or could do in the -I admit pretty impressive - world. For me, Bioware will remain the single dev team I still trust. Especially after this announcement

How do you clarify something that is already in direct conflict with itself based on it's own lore and guidelines? 

Oh right, you don't.

[Lightice_av]

I ask you, what does "through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" mean?

Sounds like extended dialogues, explanations to unclear parts and a proper custom epilogue, namely it deals with the worst issues that the current ending has, that it gives no distinction between three wildly different options, and it doesn't tell what happens to NPCs that we care about.

[lawp79]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm.....

“We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player.

No comment.

"more personalized" looks good though. At least one concern will be addressed. What I really need appears not to be in, though: more exposition by the starchild as to why the cycle was necessary, instead of a simple assertion.

I agree with both of these points, "more personalised" is certainly welcome.

[JudgeOverdose]

Justin2k wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

so just trade in the game for something you enjoy and move on with your life.

Well, some of us do live in the real world and are aware of the fact that it has become completely impossible to "trade in" video games in the last decade.

Not in the UK it hasn't.  You take your game back to the store, and part exchange it.  You can't tell me that the majority of ME3 didn't warrant the price anyway.

I just don't see why persist with this if people are so against it.  There is plenty of other stuff to do.  Life is too short to worry about the ending to a video game lol.

But it's long enough to hang around a forum constantly waiting to see what people are saying that's not in favor of the ending so you can attempt to belittle them by calling them whiners. No, good point; your life is totally way better than everyone else's.

[Defjams2000]

Just fix the bug face issue

[Getorex]

Foxbat Killer wrote...

Okay I was behind the whole Retake movement but now the fans sound like whiners. Depending on how they do this extended cut, it could change your perception of the ending. I suggest people not get their panties in a bunch just yet. It's free DLC and a step in the right direction.

Relax.  It is fully understandable.  The announcement follows exactly what Hudson, et al., said about offering "clarification" long before the long and well-thought-out critiques of the MANY MANY MANY glaring plotholes, contradictions, and illogic of the current ending were produced.  Time creates even more opportunity for critical analysis of the total stupid.  

This is Bioware coming out and saying that they weren't listening all along and that they are going to give the players what BIOWARE wants them to get: more nonsensical stupid!  They have announced that they are doubling down on the stupid rather than doing what Square Enix did vis a vis Deus Ex: Human Revolution and OPENLY ADMIT they screwed up the boss fights in the game.  AND THEY APOLOGIZED and proved they heard the criticism by releasing a DLC that proved it.  

BIoware has its fingers stuck in its ears and is yelling, "LA LA LA LA!  I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

[Fenderbaum]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I bet $10 says it's not free.

Except for me, if it turns out to be $10.

.....they said "no extra charge"...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

[Corbinus]

Lightice_av wrote...
You don't need to retain galaxy-level focus forever, you know? You can shift to more personal storylines of people who are not galaxy-saving superheroes like Shepard. It's sad that you think the only way to continue Mass Effect is go bigger and badder; that's blockbuster movie talk.

Except that most people like "blockbuster movie talk" They like to take part in something truly epic.
Lets see...
ME 1  - stop rogue super Agent
ME 2 - stop a whole  evil race (Collectors)
ME 3 - stop Reapers.
ME 4 - stop some guy who want to kill your LI\\best friend?
Yep, that's sure gonna be popular game!
ME 4 Revenge of  Sidonis!

Modifié par Corbinus, 05 avril 2012 - 02:47 .

[xxprokillazxx]

Good very good now if we can get a release date that would make things even better

[fchopin]

This looks good, hope it's real.

[OdanUrr]

Fenderbaum wrote...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

You have to be VERY careful lying when money is involved.

[Altered Idol]

Remember all the pre-release comments that turned out to be falsehoods or at the least, wildly exaggerated claims? I take everything these people say with a pinch of salt now.

I'm going to wait until we get some concrete details before getting too happy or concerned, But if all they do is add a couple of cinematics and a few epilogue scenes, then it doesn't really address the multitude of concerns fans have with the current endings.

If the endings need to be explained to have them make any sort of sense, then you've already failed miserably.

[Dakota Strider]

Predictable responses:

1) Yay! We won, they are fixing it.
2) Yay! Bioware is doing something to shut up the "entitled whiners".
3) Wait a minute, this is just smoke and mirrors, they are not changing anything, just trying to fool us into being quiet, to save their profits.

[Getorex]

Lightice_av wrote...

I ask you, what does "through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" mean?

Sounds like extended dialogues, explanations to unclear parts and a proper custom epilogue, namely it deals with the worst issues that the current ending has, that it gives no distinction between three wildly different options, and it doesn't tell what happens to NPCs that we care about.

Wow.  You sure read a different form of English than the rest of us do.  Cinematic sequences are not dialog (not controlled by YOU at least...at best it is more robot dialog that runs without your input).  Epilogue scenes are not dialog either.  They are scenes.  A powerpoint slideshow of this or that (like you LI standing arm-in-arm wtih Joker or some other random dude on Pleasure Planet...how's THAT for closure!?).  

There is no room for dialog of any value in cinematics and epilogue scenes.  It is just more passive movie watching.

[rizuno]

Corbinus wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...
You don't need to retain galaxy-level focus forever, you know? You can shift to more personal storylines of people who are not galaxy-saving superheroes like Shepard. It's sad that you think the only way to continue Mass Effect is go bigger and badder; that's blockbuster movie talk.

Except that most people like "blockbuster movie talk" They like to take part in something truly epic.
Lets see...
ME 1  - stop rogue super Agent
ME 2 - stop a whole  evil race (Collectors)
ME 3 - stop Reapers.
ME 4 - stop some guy who want to kill your LIbest friend?
Yep, that's sure gonna be popular game!
ME 4 Revenge of  Sidonis!

Hey...whatever happened to Sidonis?

[Achkas]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I bet $10 says it's not free.

Except for me, if it turns out to be $10.

.....they said "no extra charge"...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

~Erm, you didn't reappear in Awakenings if you died in Origins.

[Lightice_av]

ME 4 - stop some guy who want to kill your LI\\best friend?

There are other narratives besides massive space epic. Plenty of games have been popular without the context of saving the universe from overwhelming evil. A good storyteller can make an excellent storyline even out of minimalistic components. Personally I'd be extremely dissappointed if Bioware kept following the same plot-structure forever just because it's epic.

That being said, I suspect that the sequel will revolve around the questions and conflicts that emerge with the rise of transhumanism, repeatedly hinted at during ME3.

[rizuno]

Achkas wrote...

Fenderbaum wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I bet $10 says it's not free.

Except for me, if it turns out to be $10.

.....they said "no extra charge"...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

~Erm, you didn't reappear in Awakenings if you died in Origins.

Pffff, my character did.  I sacrificed her and it was very emotional and then *pop* available in Origins.  lul wut?

[Fenderbaum]

Achkas wrote...

Fenderbaum wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I bet $10 says it's not free.

Except for me, if it turns out to be $10.

.....they said "no extra charge"...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

~Erm, you didn't reappear in Awakenings if you died in Origins.

Ummm..yes you did, because Gaider completely ignred the sacrifice ending of Origins (His own words)

[Lightice_av]

Wow. You sure read a different form of English than the rest of us do. Cinematic sequences are not dialog (not controlled by YOU at least...at best it is more robot dialog that runs without your input). Epilogue scenes are not dialog either. They are scenes. A powerpoint slideshow of this or that (like you LI standing arm-in-arm wtih Joker or some other random dude on Pleasure Planet...how's THAT for closure!?).

Anything that is not gameplay is cinematic in a video game. This includes animated and voiced dialogues. Also, cinematics are not "powerpoint slides". The former contain animation and audio, while the latter do not.

[Harorrd]

May i ask why they decided to cut 4 hours of cutscenes and conversations and gameplay?

[cotheer]

I just wish for everyone who plans on going to PAX NOT to take this bait.
Announcing this a day before the PAX is an obvious CC strategy.

So yeah, don't fall for it.

[streamlock]

Well, like the hammerhead DLC. It's hard to complain when it's free-even if it does come out full of suck.

I just feel sorry for the (for the most part) grade A writing staff that gets the craptastic job of trying to fix the mess that was everything past the Harbinger beam.

I'd tell them-you made this wreck, you fix it. That would be counter productive actually. Just make things worse. As long as they chain whoever was responsible for the last 10 minutes in the basement Bioware still has a good enough crew to maybe salvage some of it. At least make it worthwhile.

Lesson from all this? Don't drink and dev.