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[Blarty]

Satalite5 wrote...

On behalf of a friend:
http://www.forbes.co...-with-free-dlc/
Take a look at the polls sometime, too.

By the looks of it Forbes, wasn't being particularly critical of this move, and quite a few of the comments picked up on this.... no longer BSNs flavour of the month, now? Best check Gamefront.....

[MICHELLE7]

I'll be waiting for youtube cutscenes...they'll determine whether or not I finally buy the game or not.

[Gleym]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

You gave me a bloody 39 minute video and you expect me to watch all that? CONDENSE IT DOWN I DON'T HAVE 39 minutes to spare, how the hell can it "not be that compicated" when you linked me a 39 minute video,If you think I'm gonna argue at ALL THOSE POINTS then you clearly cannot think for yourself

How 'bout no? How 'bout you just watch it. It's honestly not that complicated at all. The reason it's 39 minutes long, however, is because of how colossally bad the ending is, that it needs that much time to break down WHY it's bad even in simple terms. The reason why there's 'all those points' as you put it is BECAUSE there are so many problems with the ending. But if you'd watched the damned vid, you'd know that, instead of complaining about having to, ironically given your last remark, think for yourself. Since you clearly adhere to the 'omg ur just angry cuz ur whinerz' crowd, and do so willfully, whilst ignoring the reasonings when they're presented to you.

[Niostang]

I really hope it doesn't become the norm to create content that is so utterly nonsensical, incongruous and poorly executed that "anything is better than what we have now" suddenly becomes an acceptable state of affairs for video game consumers.

I'm happy to stick by my guns and call whoever is responsible for such a horrendously mediocre ending on their lack of foresight and mishandling because I don't want mediocrity to become the standard in the games I play.

Ultimately, it is Bioware/EA's call to decide how they'll resolve this situation. I can make requests, demands, whatever you want to call them, back these with reasons and examples, but I do recognise that the final choice for game content is out of my hands.

If whatever BW/EA has planned is done in a way that is satisfying, I'll maintain my support. I'll recommend the series to friends, buy DLC, merchandise, whatever takes my fancy.
If not, I'll withdraw my support. Why should I recommend mediocrity and disappointment to people and keep purchasing it for myself?

[Romthink]

i hate EA.I starting hate Bioware.
Coz they was my favorite company in Game ind.
My favorite games is BG, DA:O not DA2. and ME1 and ME2.

But now..after this stupid ends in ME3 i hate Bioware and this man who write this ends.
What kind of nonsense when your teammates throw their captain and fly away somewhere?
What is this nonsense?
God Damn the man who invented it.

Oh my God fans themselves come up with TI, and painted themselves all over the writers.
Make a good continuation as "Awakening" for the DAO.

But no, they have 90% of the players called stupid that we do not understand that their brilliant ending.

sorry fo bad english its just google transl..
i am not happy guys

[SilentNukee]

I'm dissapointed. I was really hoping for a different ending, but maybe just maybe it will make more sense once it's all clarified. Our past decisions, our established relationships, etc... IT HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING! The characters deserve more than what they got. Destroying the mass relays makes me so angry as we worked so damn hard to reunite the races and for what? So they just die out? It would make me less angry if they somehow reconstruct the relays or something similar depending on which ending you chose. 'Make the different endings matter rather than just making them different colours. I could go on, but meh... Please just make it worthwhile and stop with the space magic.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

1. Thats what this DLC is addressing were you not paying attention to my post?

We still don't know exactly what it will address. "Clarification", at this point, could conceivably mean anything.

2. IT A REALISTIC SCI-FI F#%%ING WAR STORY,

No, it's not "realistic" in any fashion. What it is (or was, before the ending) was consistent in it's narrative focus.

You can't expect it to be all happy and cheerful

Oh good, more strawman arguments already disproved dozens of times over.

I'd ruin the entire formula of the series to suddenly be all happy and joyful

Like how ME2 allowed you to keep every squadmate alive? That's the very essence of "joyful". I did the impossible in that game, and was rewarded for it.

1.Exactly yet people are still bringing it up like they know what it'll contain.
2. by realistic I meant war time realism whilst staying in the rules of Sci Fi i.e Battlestar Galactica. And again you've made a point that may or may not be addressed in the DLC.

Now your just avoiding the argument, over 90% of the galaxy was wiped out by the reapers and this is cause for happy celebration ... why? That's why it'd ruin the entire formula it'd become more slapstick and rediculous than a consistant narrative.

3. Really? Mass Effect 2 ended with the Normandy crew preparing for the arrival of the reapers, no matter how many crew members died, granted yes its not as somber if all the squadmates survive but it's nowhere near joyful, And lets be honest here the endings for Mass Effect 2 were all the same too.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Gleym wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

You gave me a bloody 39 minute video and you expect me to watch all that? CONDENSE IT DOWN I DON'T HAVE 39 minutes to spare, how the hell can it "not be that compicated" when you linked me a 39 minute video,If you think I'm gonna argue at ALL THOSE POINTS then you clearly cannot think for yourself

How 'bout no? How 'bout you just watch it. It's honestly not that complicated at all. The reason it's 39 minutes long, however, is because of how colossally bad the ending is, that it needs that much time to break down WHY it's bad even in simple terms. The reason why there's 'all those points' as you put it is BECAUSE there are so many problems with the ending. But if you'd watched the damned vid, you'd know that, instead of complaining about having to, ironically given your last remark, think for yourself. Since you clearly adhere to the 'omg ur just angry cuz ur whinerz' crowd, and do so willfully, whilst ignoring the reasonings when they're presented to you.

Like I said I don't have time, either use your own arguments or don't waste my time 39 minutes is still 39 minutes and there is no way I'm watching the whole thing just because you can't make your own points up and have to follow someone elses

[SLana]

IF that's true it sounds bad for me. No vids are able to fix this completely illogical starchild-rgb stuff. Even the ones that will show friendly reapers building mass relays and delivering everybody back home.

[WildWilly10]

Meh. Sounds good, but I don't like the fact that it will be coming out in the summertime. I, like most people, will be waiting until we get more details on this "free" DLC.

[Fxnris]

I'm tired of this, really drained.

I'm putting my money where my mouth is now.

You guys want to look at 343 studios new work on Halo4, they've actually got some high profile fans helping to work with them, so they don't make the same mistake Bioware have.

There you have it EA and Bioware, you've got another fan you've alienated.

It's just a shame one fan can't change anything. No matter how much money, time and loyalty we gave you.

Note to trolls: I've played all 3 games, have all 3 collector editions, read all 4 books.
Signed, yet another disgruntled fan.

[rizuno]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Way for all you people that are whining to show your true colours

For the last month many have tried to clarified that the ending "didn't make sense and was full of plot holes"

Now that this clarification ending has been announced you're still complaining even though its set to address the "plot holes"

YOU GUYS ARE CLEARLY COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE ENDING AND WANTED IT TO BE MORE OF A CALL OF DUTY PARADE PUPPIES AND RAINBOWS ENDING.

Point...missing it.

rizuno wrote...


Some points that are popping up here. 

1.) They gave you what you wanted, stop whining.
        -This isn't what the movement protested for. Ergo, it is NOT what we wanted. It's a start, and I thank them for that, but it reeks of pacification. From the beginning Retake has been about the ending failing at being an ending, and we feel that there are much better alternatives out there. there were giant gaping massive PLOTHOLES. There was a lack of choice. There was a lack of continuity in the storyline. There was a distinct lack of actual endingS. I could go on and on and on. 

2.) Happiness is not realistic.
       -Of course it is. It's called hope. It's why we are able to get up in the morning. It's where all motivation stems from. When did 'happiness' become something that we shouldn't want or expect out of life or our entertainment? You don't want happiness in your Shepard story? Fine. That's the whole point, just like everything else in the ME series, it should be gamer choice. Where down the line in fiction did a 'happy' ending start to = 'bad'?

3.) You're all just haters.
       -Sweeties...you have not even SEEN what 'hating on BioWare' could be. The fact that we're HERE IN THEIR FORUM discussing this PROVES that we still care, and care very deeply. I have never said, nor SEEN ANYONE say, 'BioWare we hate you, die' I see a lot of 'BioWare, we love you, please fix this' though.

OK Lemme address this

1. Thats what this DLC is addressing were you not paying attention to my post?
2. IT A REALISTIC SCI-FI F#%%ING WAR STORY, You can't expect it to be all happy and cheerful it'd ruin the entire formula of the series to suddenly be all happy and joyful, This also comes back to my original point about wanting the story to be your own, if you want it to be your own WRITE FAN FICTION.
3.ORLY? Tell that to the fans that wanted to sue Bioware over the ending http://social.biowar...281/16#11026853

1. It is NOT what this DLC is addressing, did you read the article?  We are not getting a new ending we are getting 'clarification' and 'epilogue' and 'added on'.  Room for interpretation, but clearly not addressing the main issues of the Retake Movement.  

2.  Oh don't give me that 'realistic' bullcrap.  At the end of ME1 Commander Shepard Saved the effing Galaxy.  At ME2 I saved all my squad, we kicked major a** and WE ALL SMILED AT EACH OTHER AT THE END and talked afterwards about YAY we were ALIVE.  And my Shepard playthroughs ARE my own.  That is the premise of the entire ME Franchise.  Even so, I say again, what is so wrong with allowing Shepard to live and have some kind of life rebuilding the galaxy?  I want and expect pain and death and sadness, that doesn't mean that there can't or shouldn't be some sort of hope for the future in the ending.  And no, Jungle Planet and Grandpa do not count.  

3. Extremists that I have not seen involved in the discussions about endings, suck, change and all derivatives thereof.  

[Dav3VsTh3World]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

You gave me a bloody 39 minute video and you expect me to watch all that? CONDENSE IT DOWN I DON'T HAVE 39 minutes to spare, how the hell can it "not be that compicated" when you linked me a 39 minute video,If you think I'm gonna argue at ALL THOSE POINTS then you clearly cannot think for yourself

If you're posting on this forum (multiple times, I might add), you have time to spare. Watch it tonight if you don't have time now.

It's 2am
NO

[crazyrabbits]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

You gave me a bloody 39 minute video and you expect me to watch all that? CONDENSE IT DOWN I DON'T HAVE 39 minutes to spare, how the hell can it "not be that compicated" when you linked me a 39 minute video,If you think I'm gonna argue at ALL THOSE POINTS then you clearly cannot think for yourself

If you're posting on this forum (multiple times, I might add), you have time to spare. Watch it tonight if you don't have time now.

It's 2am
NO

What, you've been on all night? Then you had time to spare all evening, then?

[Gleym]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Like I said I don't have time, either use your own arguments or don't waste my time 39 minutes is still 39 minutes and there is no way I'm watching the whole thing just because you can't make your own points up and have to follow someone elses

So your reasoning is that because my points coincide with the points made in the video, I'm just parroting them and don't have an opinion of my own? Wow, you're an exceptionally dronish Drone if you're making that gigantic leap. I guess then that because the sky is blue, and some guy in a video said it was blue as well, that means I have no real ideas about what colour the sky really is! I'm just parroting what he's saying! Oh teh noes!

Fact's fact: That vid explains everything that needs to be said. If I WERE to go ahead and transcribe into text everything that I felt was wrong with the ending, all I'd really be doing is transcribing 39 minutes of video into text, upon which you'd whine that it was 'tl;dr'. So rather than waste my time b*tching about it, why don't you just find the time to watch the video EVENTUALLY and until then keep your uninformed views to yourself?

Modifié par Gleym, 05 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[rizuno]

Heather Cline wrote...

rizuno thank you.

Welcome

[Dav3VsTh3World]

rizuno wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Way for all you people that are whining to show your true colours

For the last month many have tried to clarified that the ending "didn't make sense and was full of plot holes"

Now that this clarification ending has been announced you're still complaining even though its set to address the "plot holes"

YOU GUYS ARE CLEARLY COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE ENDING AND WANTED IT TO BE MORE OF A CALL OF DUTY PARADE PUPPIES AND RAINBOWS ENDING.

Point...missing it.

rizuno wrote...


Some points that are popping up here. 

1.) They gave you what you wanted, stop whining.
        -This isn't what the movement protested for. Ergo, it is NOT what we wanted. It's a start, and I thank them for that, but it reeks of pacification. From the beginning Retake has been about the ending failing at being an ending, and we feel that there are much better alternatives out there. there were giant gaping massive PLOTHOLES. There was a lack of choice. There was a lack of continuity in the storyline. There was a distinct lack of actual endingS. I could go on and on and on. 

2.) Happiness is not realistic.
       -Of course it is. It's called hope. It's why we are able to get up in the morning. It's where all motivation stems from. When did 'happiness' become something that we shouldn't want or expect out of life or our entertainment? You don't want happiness in your Shepard story? Fine. That's the whole point, just like everything else in the ME series, it should be gamer choice. Where down the line in fiction did a 'happy' ending start to = 'bad'?

3.) You're all just haters.
       -Sweeties...you have not even SEEN what 'hating on BioWare' could be. The fact that we're HERE IN THEIR FORUM discussing this PROVES that we still care, and care very deeply. I have never said, nor SEEN ANYONE say, 'BioWare we hate you, die' I see a lot of 'BioWare, we love you, please fix this' though.

OK Lemme address this

1. Thats what this DLC is addressing were you not paying attention to my post?
2. IT A REALISTIC SCI-FI F#%%ING WAR STORY, You can't expect it to be all happy and cheerful it'd ruin the entire formula of the series to suddenly be all happy and joyful, This also comes back to my original point about wanting the story to be your own, if you want it to be your own WRITE FAN FICTION.
3.ORLY? Tell that to the fans that wanted to sue Bioware over the ending http://social.biowar...281/16#11026853

1. It is NOT what this DLC is addressing, did you read the article?  We are not getting a new ending we are getting 'clarification' and 'epilogue' and 'added on'.  Room for interpretation, but clearly not addressing the main issues of the Retake Movement.  

2.  Oh don't give me that 'realistic' bullcrap.  At the end of ME1 Commander Shepard Saved the effing Galaxy.  At ME2 I saved all my squad, we kicked major a** and WE ALL SMILED AT EACH OTHER AT THE END and talked afterwards about YAY we were ALIVE.  And my Shepard playthroughs ARE my own.  That is the premise of the entire ME Franchise.  Even so, I say again, what is so wrong with allowing Shepard to live and have some kind of life rebuilding the galaxy?  I want and expect pain and death and sadness, that doesn't mean that there can't or shouldn't be some sort of hope for the future in the ending.  And no, Jungle Planet and Grandpa do not count.  

3. Extremists that I have not seen involved in the discussions about endings, suck, change and all derivatives thereof.  

1. So its clearly because you don't like the ending so you want a different one, Thats what it boils down to
2. But you're not the main writer of the series, Bioware is again see point one

Thank you for proving my original point

[Lynata]

warchanter wrote...
This release IS what I wanted, so I'm happy with it, and I bet there are many that think this was the wisest choice.

Yup. Here's one who feels exactly the same.

Can't wait for the release!

[Heather Cline]

You know all of the people stating that 80% of the retake people wanted closure I want to know where your statistics are coming from. Why? Because frankly there is no statistics stating that there are 80% of the retake movement only wanting clarification/closure. Many of us in the retake movement want the endings we were promised. Endings that were affected by our choices through all 3 games. Fact is clarification will not make us happy. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say half of retake roughly wants the fixed ending. Maybe half want the closure. So if half of retake only wants closure that's only 30k people who get closure. The other 30k won't buy DLC or buy another BioWare game. So that's 1.8 million dollars worth of lost sales.

This is just from the 60k people who've voiced their discontent with the ending of the game.

So yeah... closure/explanation/clarification isn't what all of what retake wants.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 05 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Aleru]

All i wanted in my life. Im happy with the endings, just needed more closure....and clarification to the Normandy crew and shepards last breath.... makes me crazy waaaaah.

[Hoekzema]

I'm not quite sure what to think of this. The 3 explosions ending were just ridiculous and I'm not sure more footage will solve this.
If you ask me Bioware should have picked up the indoctrination theory, but on the other hand it's also commendable that they stand behind their artists.

For that reason I am going to wait for this and give it a fair chance to redeem Bioware.

Also another + is that this is free. Also quite obvious that it's free I can only imagine the fan rage if they charged money for it.

[Blarty]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

3. Really? Mass Effect 2 ended with the Normandy crew preparing for the arrival of the reapers, no matter how many crew members died, granted yes its not as somber if all the squadmates survive but it's nowhere near joyful, And lets be honest here the endings for Mass Effect 2 were all the same too.

ME2 had an ending that was immediately meaningful, there wasn't a need to search for answers... sure there were unanswered questions as there always should be, but ultimately ME2 had a conclusion that, whilst being somewhat open to interpretation, had an immediate, relatable context to the player. In ME3, the ending had far less context particularly with the Catalyst, and the twist at the end fell flat on it's face rather than provide some productive to the player, and therefore not giving answers amounted to plot holes (BAD THING) rather than being open to player interpretation (GOOD THING).

I personally don't think closing every possible plot hole and answering every question is a great thing, I find that ultimately the law of diminishing returns will apply and eventually every answer you get closes down a little more each time of the ME universe that you can envisage for yourself.

[WhiteRaven40]

This is wasted time and effort it if a “SOLO” play through has no way of Shepard and the Geth living. Once again I am feeling let down.

[InsaneAzrael]

After all this, my mind goes out to the departures of so many great men and women from Bioware.

Is this why? What we are left with has become all together more terrible.

I don't have high hopes for this games company anymore. I hope for them none.

[Kalms]

Nicely done, BioWare. Benefit of the doubt coming your way.