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[Getorex]

Corbinus wrote...

Not that I am defending Bioware or anything, but... people did want to know what happened with their team members, LI and galaxy
Here, now you are getting it.
Then there are those who wanted a new ending.
Sorry guys, "artistic integrity".
So they were listening to you after all.

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There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".  That is a myth or a convenient defense someone yanks out when they find that their garbage isn't appreciated for what it is (garbage).  

There is NO SUCH THING.  Stories, movies, games, etc, are altered ALL THE TIME at the behest of people reading, watching, playing, or buying it.  Often it is changed because the creator himself/herself simply wants to change it (where's their "artistic integrity" then?).

Shut the hell up about "artistic integrity".  It is merely spackle that is used in an emergency to patch damaged goods.

[Andreas Rayne]

I won’t lie.
I am looking forward to this.
 
But...
 
Does this now mean that the, uhum... ending we received was planned all along, and that BW and EA honestly thought it was a fitting conclusion to the Mass Effect story?
Because it certainly appears so.
 
That is...well...I don’t have words to describe it. Unbelievable is the closest I can come up with.
 
You’re telling me that after the incredible experience of ME 1, ME 2 and most of ME 3 they truly believed THAT was the best way to end it?
 
Gobsmacked

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

'Are we going to change the ending of the game? No.'

Thanks for confirming for me that I won't be buying this game. Ever.

[AloraKast]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

What's wrong with this being an option?

Because it becomes the standard and without thinking, the "sunshine brigade" (as we've dubbed  them) would instantly metagame that choice and do so without any thought into the process and thus completely dismiss everything else relevent with the decision.

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.

Hmmm, yes because clearly a "happy"... dare I say triumphant ending has absolutely NO place in a Mass Effect universe.

[Getorex]

ArchangelM24 wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

This is simply an attempt to reduce the anger as they attend PAX tomorrow. Think of the timing of this release alone. They're hoping that their big multiplayer DLC anouncement will now be picked up by the masses after "handling" the ending issue.

As for the release date of this summer? Honestly. How long does it take to string together a few more still shots and text?

This is an excellent point. The timing of this release is just a little too concidental for me to buy. What it really looks like (and I'm surprised more people haven't caught this) is that EA/BW are announcing this now so they can skirt the issue at PAX- all they would have to claim is that they've "already discussed it." If anything, this release shows just how sleazy they really are. They knew this release would serve to divide the retake community and it's working quite well. At the same time, they also knew that this would give them a much better light in actual media coverage- now they can say they made an effort to change it. EA/BW comes off looking like a $1000 bill for not having done anything but cover their own a** . Very sleazy, very crafty

If you want any more proof of perfidy, just wait.  IF they release DLC for sale BEFORE the release of this...makeup on a pustule of an ending...then you have all you need to make an accurate judgement.  They will prove themselves to merely be seeking to pull the wool over your eyes in order to snatch-and-grab more money out of your pocket before you see that the game STILL sucks.

[Sir_Cabbage]

We dont want MORE of what we hated, we dont want more starchild and more plotholes. We dont want some halfarsed excuse as to why joker feels the need to abandon us...

we want a new ending. We want one without starchild, we want indoctrination if we can't get rid of him.

Please, change your mind and CHANGE THE ENDING. before you make me never want to buy another DLC or Game from bioware. I really LOVED bioware for a long time, for a hell of a long time I have held them up on a pedastool. I even defended the car wreck that was dragon age 2. But this is too much.

This isnt an "artistic integrity arguement" you already changed the ending once after a LEAK. you have released multiple places that the ending was a last second affair. We LOVED the rest of the game bioware, dont ruin all three of your games by keeping this horrible ending. we dont want clarification of the crappy ending, we want a PROPER ending. Please. PLEASE.

[Squallypo]

Alex Arterius wrote...

Femlob wrote...

One to ponder on a rainy day:

Did EA really believe that this might quelch the coming heat at PAX?

Definitely. This is the equivilant of an air bag in a car crash. Softening the blow

more like to someone trying to set off a fire, that adds more oil / gas to it.

this is whats going on with this new "announcement" they just made it worst  , oh boy pax here we go ! 

[Getorex]

AloraKast wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

What's wrong with this being an option?

Because it becomes the standard and without thinking, the "sunshine brigade" (as we've dubbed  them) would instantly metagame that choice and do so without any thought into the process and thus completely dismiss everything else relevent with the decision.

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.

Hmmm, yes because clearly a "happy"... dare I say triumphant ending has absolutely NO place in a Mass Effect universe.

Yes.  There are simply those people who REFUSE accept reality and simply have to make up their own and force it on everyone else.  Around here it is the Bleak House crowd of hipsters who think that the only good ending is a nihilist ending where everyone dies, or is bereft of all they hold dear, etc.  They live in a fantasy world of suck where everything must suck and all must be in pain.  Just like real life...oh, wait. Real life isn't like that at all.  Real life actually includes ALL possible endings!  Ooops.

[Martin3389]

I think that the extended cut was planned all along. Bioware wouldn't risk aggravating so many fans by coming up with ending such as this. There were many hints about the indoctrination process and people who want to see will see it, I don't want to spoil here. Just think about many side missions throughout the series with indoctrination machines, about the events in Arrival, comments in ME 3 and especially, events after being hit by Harbinger's beam. First reaction is always disappointment and rage when something isn't what u expect it to be, but try to think why would they do this and botch the whole series. They didn't. I think they either needed more time because of deadlines or they deliberately omitted an actual ending and decided to give us players a separate DLC with the ending only. I'm saddened that so many players just outright accuse Bioware of destroying the whole trilogy. Just play ME 3 more than once and try all the "endings" and look for the hints. My teacher once said that one of possible mistakes to make when writing an academic essay is to assume too much of a reader. Frankly, I think Bioware assumed too much of its fans. I can only hope that my theory is the right one and Bioware actually did indeed that what I think they did:)

[Getorex]

Andreas Rayne wrote...

I won’t lie.
I am looking forward to this.
 
But...
 
Does this now mean that the, uhum... ending we received was planned all along, and that BW and EA honestly thought it was a fitting conclusion to the Mass Effect story?
Because it certainly appears so.
 
That is...well...I don’t have words to describe it. Unbelievable is the closest I can come up with.
 
You’re telling me that after the incredible experience of ME 1, ME 2 and most of ME 3 they truly believed THAT was the best way to end it?
 
Gobsmacked

I'll bet you my left nut that IF they actually make the mistake of making the movie trilogy, that the ending of the 3rd one will NOT be the nihilist, bleak, dicked up ending of the game.  My left nut.

[Alright-Television]

Getorex wrote...

Andreas Rayne wrote...

I won’t lie.
I am looking forward to this.
 
But...
 
Does this now mean that the, uhum... ending we received was planned all along, and that BW and EA honestly thought it was a fitting conclusion to the Mass Effect story?
Because it certainly appears so.
 
That is...well...I don’t have words to describe it. Unbelievable is the closest I can come up with.
 
You’re telling me that after the incredible experience of ME 1, ME 2 and most of ME 3 they truly believed THAT was the best way to end it?
 
Gobsmacked

I'll bet you my left nut that IF they actually make the mistake of making the movie trilogy, that the ending of the 3rd one will NOT be the nihilist, bleak, dicked up ending of the game.  My left nut.

Dude, you gotta value your left nut more.

It's okay to play favorites sometimes but when it all comes down it, cupping two balls is cozier than just cupping one.

[Getorex]

Martin3389 wrote...

I think that the extended cut was planned all along. Bioware wouldn't risk aggravating so many fans by coming up with ending such as this. There were many hints about the indoctrination process and people who want to see will see it, I don't want to spoil here. Just think about many side missions throughout the series with indoctrination machines, about the events in Arrival, comments in ME 3 and especially, events after being hit by Harbinger's beam. First reaction is always disappointment and rage when something isn't what u expect it to be, but try to think why would they do this and botch the whole series. They didn't. I think they either needed more time because of deadlines or they deliberately omitted an actual ending and decided to give us players a separate DLC with the ending only. I'm saddened that so many players just outright accuse Bioware of destroying the whole trilogy. Just play ME 3 more than once and try all the "endings" and look for the hints. My teacher once said that one of possible mistakes to make when writing an academic essay is to assume too much of a reader. Frankly, I think Bioware assumed too much of its fans. I can only hope that my theory is the right one and Bioware actually did indeed that what I think they did:)

No.  This assumes indoctrination theory is correct when it is not.  They did NOT plan on this or they wouldn't have to wait for 2-3 months to release a "clarification".  It also wont do anything to fix it because it is all to be cinematic and scenes.  No dialog, no more player control.  You will be sitting there PASSIVELY watching the toilet bowl that is the ending get packed even more full of feces (in the form of "clarification").  There is nothing there but passive nonsense.  

[Sero303]

Maybe,... just maybe this is all a joke or something? They want to lull us into a false sense of outrage and than they release details of, or the DLC itself, and it is awesome! Everything we want and more. Or not. But I agree it would be wise to hold off judging until we see what they actually release.

[Kathleen321]

Getorex wrote...

I'll bet you my left nut that IF they actually make the mistake of making the movie trilogy, that the ending of the 3rd one will NOT be the nihilist, bleak, dicked up ending of the game.  My left nut.

I bet my right boob you're right. Hollywood is stupid.. but they aren't THAT stupid.

[KateKane]

For me, the saddest part is how little I can bring myself to care at this point.

Mediocre game, terrible ending, and laughable PR

Way to go, Bioware. You're now one of the worst game developers around.

Oh, but my favorite part is how one of the fans already did exactly what Bioware's goin to take until Summer to do.
http://shannon.users...net/masseffect/

Modifié par KateKane, 05 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Femlob]

Now taking bets on when the BioWare label will be dissolved and her crew fired in order to "streamline production and quality".

Anyone?

[Avissel]

So...why exactly didn't you do this to begin with?

At what point in the process did the people responsible sit down and say:

"Hey...you know what people DON'T WANT? A personal conclusion to their story."

[Andyrew_]

We complained about the ending, they have taken the feedback from the masses, they have said that they will clarify the ending, i guess all we have to do now is wait to see what they deliver and whether it answers the questions that were left in everyones head after the game.

If it does, were all good.

[Corbinus]

Getorex wrote...
There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".  That is a myth or a convenient defense someone yanks out when they find that their garbage isn't appreciated for what it is (garbage).  

There is NO SUCH THING.  Stories, movies, games, etc, are altered ALL THE TIME at the behest of people reading, watching, playing, or buying it.  Often it is changed because the creator himself/herself simply wants to change it (where's their "artistic integrity" then?).

Shut the hell up about "artistic integrity".  It is merely spackle that is used in an emergency to patch damaged goods.

ME universe is created by Bioware and therefore belongs to them. They have every right to change it as they see fit. Same goes for ME 3 game. They have a right to change its ending as they would like (to please fans for example) or not to change it at all. You (and everyone else) don't like it? Sucks to be you, then. But the whole point of  current ending is that it is open. You can imagine what you like for yourself. Just like me. Because there is no creator's version of how it must be.

[Leninsaurus]

While it is nice to see some sort of progress, I still think that Bioware doesn't quite understand or doesn't want to understand our point of view. They still speak of "some" of their fans being dissatisfied, and seem to ignore the fact that we dislike the ending as much as we do because it is filled with plotholes, inconsistencies and that it makes every decision or gameplay prior to it completely useless. And because it takes away anything that we have come to enjoy about ME, the aspect of choice and roleplaying, the focus on characters and conflicts, the whole message that synthetics and organics CAN live together, that united, the races can achieve the impossible.
The last five minutes feel like a completely different game, negating the lore, the established messages and the strengths of the ME-series.

I have the impression that they didn't listen at all. So many intelligent and polite people have provided constructive and thorough essays on the ending and why it just is bad the way it is. But it feels all those amazing articles/posts/videos have been completely ignored by Bioware, and they still desperately cling to this horrible ending defending it with artistic integrity.

I can only shake my head at this stubborness, and I hope that they still turn this around and REALLY begin to listen to us.

[Olive Oomph]

Listening into myself while reading this, I realize I don't really care anymore.
I haven't touched ME3 in about a week and I guess I won't until summer.
I just hope the DLC comes with the option to get rid of the Galactic Readiness and seperates the single-player from the multiplayer, does away with the god child and lets me have some positve emotional pay-off in the form of some hint that my Shepards can continue the life they fought for with the people they care about (and all of that without having to play multiplayer). Screw this male masturbatory fantasy of self-sacrifice and honor!