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There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".  That is a myth or a convenient defense someone yanks out when they find that their garbage isn't appreciated for what it is (garbage).  

There is NO SUCH THING.  Stories, movies, games, etc, are altered ALL THE TIME at the behest of people reading, watching, playing, or buying it.  Often it is changed because the creator himself/herself simply wants to change it (where's their "artistic integrity" then?).

Shut the hell up about "artistic integrity".  It is merely spackle that is used in an emergency to patch damaged goods.

ME universe is created by Bioware and therefore belongs to them. They have every right to change it as they see fit. Same goes for ME 3 game. They have a right to change its ending as they would like (to please fans for example) or not to change it at all. You (and everyone else) don't like it? Sucks to be you, then. But the whole point of  current ending is that it is open. You can imagine what you like for yourself. Just like me. Because there is no creator's version of how it must be.




We've been over this many times now. It is their RIGHT to not give a sh!t about customers complaining.
Now, whether that is what they SHOULd do to stay in business, that's something else entirely.

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Kathleen321 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

I'll bet you my left nut that IF they actually make the mistake of making the movie trilogy, that the ending of the 3rd one will NOT be the nihilist, bleak, dicked up ending of the game.  My left nut.


I bet my right boob you're right. Hollywood is stupid.. but they aren't THAT stupid.

Can you imagine what would happen if they DID keep the ending for a movie trilogy? 
That would be an instant ticket for inclusion in a "Ten Worst Movie Endings" list in a few years time.

Although the way things are going I have a feeling that no ME film will be made any time soon with the state of current affairs.

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What's wrong with this being an option?


Because it becomes the standard and without thinking, the "sunshine brigade" (as we've dubbed  them) would instantly metagame that choice and do so without any thought into the process and thus completely dismiss everything else relevent with the decision.

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.


Hmmm, yes because clearly a "happy"... dare I say triumphant ending has absolutely NO place in a Mass Effect universe.

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Sigh.



There is nothing wrong with a happy ending (meaning Shepard is alive and
w/his/her LI at the end...somehow).  NOTHING.  It is 100% in tune
with the ENTIRE series.  Going 100% bleak and dark is 100% out of
tune with the entire series.  No one wants to force you to be happy, to
not be a nihilist, to not enjoy death and destruction.  You are free to
enjoy bleakness and be all "edgey" and "hipster" all you
want.  We simply want DIFFERENT endings that are clearly DIFFERENT and
in tune with the entire series.  THAT means a happy-ish ending that
can be earned by doing EVERYTHING right is OK as a CHOICE.  Choice is
the heart of this game.

 What’s with the people saying the ending was good
anyway, is it because a sad ending is more realistic. if i wanted realism i
would go for a walk in the park, not drop $70 on a game. Besides death isn't
deep, only a black-wearing emo bad-poetry-writing teenager would think that.B)


There's a quotation error making the rounds.  I've been getting it in some of my posts too...

Anyway, realistic does not equal bleak, sad, painful.  SOMETIMES it does but sometimes it is perfectly happy.  Most often it is a variable mix of both and that mix doesn't inexorably equate to death.  THAT is reality.

I managed to make it back from a war (Iraq) without dying.  I made it back without losing a single person I cared about.  No one I knew got a TBI, no one lost a limb (and yes, we were getting shot at).   I'd call that a pretty happy ending.  I KNEW of others not so lucky.   Did I not live a "realistic" life because I was fine at the time and am perfectly fine now?  MOST of the people I know are also!   There were FAR more who made it back just fine than who died (if it were the other way around, that pretty much defines being defeated).  FAR more who came back alive and intact than with parts missing or screwed up as well.  THAT is reality.  Thus THAT is realistic.  Thus any argument that "happy" isn't realistic is objectively bullcrap.  Many of those who lost parts are happy now.  Would you not call that "bittersweet"?  Reality doesn't give a flying crap what you THINK reality is.  It isn't what many WANT it to be (totally bleak, sad, bereft, tragic). 

I don't want to hear another word of nonsense about "but it's more realistic the way it is..." No it isn't.  Objective fact, objective reality says differently.  Also, who cares what you like?  Why should YOUR preference bulldoze over many other preferences?  This is OUR game as much as yours and ours as much as theirs.  They DESIGNED it that way - so WE got to author our own story (within the limits of tech).    They sold it thus.  They advertised it thus.  They sang its praises thus.

So it is simple: stand and deliver what you sold, advertised, and praised Bioware  (and what we thought we were buying).  Nothing less.

Oh, and before some dimwit comes along and says, "Are you really comparing real war...blah blah blah?", nice try at diverting from the point.  The point is clearly that "realistic" doesn't mean what you THINK it means.  Not even a little bit.

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*sigh* All I can think is this is more PR BS from a development team that has lied countless times already. I'll believe it when I see it and I highly doubt I'll like what I watch on youtube. A release sometime this summer, too bad most will have moved on by then. RIP Bioware and Mass Effect.

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We complained about the ending, they have taken the feedback from the masses, they have said that they will clarify the ending, i guess all we have to do now is wait to see what they deliver and whether it answers the questions that were left in everyones head after the game.

If it does, were all good.

Form what i have seen the Masses have been asking for more than this clarification garbage.

Tu mortuus ad me, Bioware

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Everyone who is pissed at the fact there are no new endings, please put your rage down to simmer. Until you see what they do, you don't know if it will suck or be awesome, we have to wait and see.
I was disappointed and angry about the endings as much as the next guy, i will continue to say so, loudly and with blatant amounts of sarcasm firing. I am glad they are including an epilogue, that was entirely necessary. "Clarifying" is...well, a little suspect, how do you clarify something that makes no sense? Expanding...also suspect, while i would like to see a bit more about how all this stuff comes about, because as soon as i get to the citadel(hell, even a little before then) i'm just like what the f*ck is going on? Not sure if you can fix that with more scenes guys.
The very end itself is where narrative coherence goes out the window and leaves us with about 75 questions, as well as sadness, disappointment and finally, massive rage.
If not handled correctly, your core fanbase will abandon you, or at the very least, somewhere between 30-70 thousand will. I know i will. I won't even care how DA3 turns out at this rate. I'll just stick with Prototype 2, Ubisoft(i hope to god(that i don't believe in) that they do not get purchased by EA), and others who don't screw me around.

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L00p wrote...

Corbinus wrote...

Getorex wrote...
There is no such thing as "artistic integrity".  That is a myth or a convenient defense someone yanks out when they find that their garbage isn't appreciated for what it is (garbage).  

There is NO SUCH THING.  Stories, movies, games, etc, are altered ALL THE TIME at the behest of people reading, watching, playing, or buying it.  Often it is changed because the creator himself/herself simply wants to change it (where's their "artistic integrity" then?).

Shut the hell up about "artistic integrity".  It is merely spackle that is used in an emergency to patch damaged goods.

ME universe is created by Bioware and therefore belongs to them. They have every right to change it as they see fit. Same goes for ME 3 game. They have a right to change its ending as they would like (to please fans for example) or not to change it at all. You (and everyone else) don't like it? Sucks to be you, then. But the whole point of  current ending is that it is open. You can imagine what you like for yourself. Just like me. Because there is no creator's version of how it must be.




We've been over this many times now. It is their RIGHT to not give a sh!t about customers complaining.
Now, whether that is what they SHOULd do to stay in business, that's something else entirely.


Precisely.  So-called "artistic integrity" doesn't mean jack squat. 

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I will be very upset if I don't wake up back on Earth... Also, if starchild makes an appearance I may lose my mind. You have been warned BioWare, think of the children.... and not the glowing kind....

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Dam I want blue babbies......

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BerzerkGene wrote...

Everyone who is pissed at the fact there are no new endings, please put your rage down to simmer. Until you see what they do, you don't know if it will suck or be awesome, we have to wait and see.
I was disappointed and angry about the endings as much as the next guy, i will continue to say so, loudly and with blatant amounts of sarcasm firing. I am glad they are including an epilogue, that was entirely necessary. "Clarifying" is...well, a little suspect, how do you clarify something that makes no sense? Expanding...also suspect, while i would like to see a bit more about how all this stuff comes about, because as soon as i get to the citadel(hell, even a little before then) i'm just like what the f*ck is going on? Not sure if you can fix that with more scenes guys.
The very end itself is where narrative coherence goes out the window and leaves us with about 75 questions, as well as sadness, disappointment and finally, massive rage.
If not handled correctly, your core fanbase will abandon you, or at the very least, somewhere between 30-70 thousand will. I know i will. I won't even care how DA3 turns out at this rate. I'll just stick with Prototype 2, Ubisoft(i hope to god(that i don't believe in) that they do not get purchased by EA), and others who don't screw me around.

If this is not just some kind of joke from BW then i will have no choice but to do that, but i will just play HALO, the new one is coming soon to retake the FPS crown.

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Yeah I'm done with Bioware now. Thanks for the great memories like Kotor and 99 percent of the mass effect series.

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Sero303 wrote...

Maybe,... just maybe this is all a joke or something? They want to lull us into a false sense of outrage and than they release details of, or the DLC itself, and it is awesome! Everything we want and more. Or not. But I agree it would be wise to hold off judging until we see what they actually release.


Hold off judgment, yes. We have nothing but speculation as to actual content yet. Our Faith was rewarded with ME2 and with 99% of ME3, so why not wait and see.

This does not mean, buisness is back to usual though. Caution is the new watchword I think

http://social.biowar.../index/11037693

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To be honest I have soem mixed feelings...

It's good that they are taking actions. It's good that they will expand on the effects of your choices (if I read that correctly), via the epilogue/extra cinematics.

I also understand it frome the business perspective... It's the best you can do, while making the things cost effective... Most likely those will be some extra sceenes, without voiceovers, or with a simple narratory like the stargazer - maybe they'll use some other soundtrack that they have licensed, or they'll just keep the simple Mass effect theme...

It IS a good -first- step... and only the first step. 

I admit, that if they'll pull this out quite well, then I will certainly consider any future DLC that will try to patch the plotholes and expand on the reapers and the ending character.

If they'll waste ths opportunity, then my next Bioware game will be from a discount bin if at all... And I've used to pre-order deluxe editions... The trust is lost for Bioware, it's now only the decision, whether I'll follow forums and their game sites, to check the game etc. or I'll just wait for discount offers to appear on my account and check if it's even worth the discount price.

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Doesn't matter. This is like me explaining why I just popped a piece of dog poop in someones lunch, doesn't take away from the fact I did it, doesn't take away the fact now someone has eaten dog poop.

No amount of explaining why the ending is the worst in gaming history will make it any less bad, it will just make it longer.

I hope bioware ends up like westwood and bullfrog. They didn't deserve it, you lot do.

BTW your so called "artistic integrity" can do take a flying (censored). Its a product, a product you made specific promises to and didn't deliver on and what you did deliver is sodding awful.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 05 avril 2012 - 05:58 .


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This isn't the news we wanted, hopefully its behind a PR smoke screen and we get actual details besides a brief explanation with quotes.

I'm in a interesting position on this, not sure what to think of. I am upset to some degree, but I will wait for further details. Bioware best bet is to go off the Indoctrination theory, this will keep the current ending in tact, but can also give Bioware the freedom to give us a true ending that was promised to us.

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BerzerkGene wrote...

Everyone who is pissed at the fact there are no new endings, please put your rage down to simmer. Until you see what they do, you don't know if it will suck or be awesome, we have to wait and see.
I was disappointed and angry about the endings as much as the next guy, i will continue to say so, loudly and with blatant amounts of sarcasm firing. I am glad they are including an epilogue, that was entirely necessary. "Clarifying" is...well, a little suspect, how do you clarify something that makes no sense? Expanding...also suspect, while i would like to see a bit more about how all this stuff comes about, because as soon as i get to the citadel(hell, even a little before then) i'm just like what the f*ck is going on? Not sure if you can fix that with more scenes guys.
The very end itself is where narrative coherence goes out the window and leaves us with about 75 questions, as well as sadness, disappointment and finally, massive rage.
If not handled correctly, your core fanbase will abandon you, or at the very least, somewhere between 30-70 thousand will. I know i will. I won't even care how DA3 turns out at this rate. I'll just stick with Prototype 2, Ubisoft(i hope to god(that i don't believe in) that they do not get purchased by EA), and others who don't screw me around.


Hmmm.  Had to look up Prototype 2.  Looks cool...too bad it's console only.  Friggin' idiot developers...there ARE PCs too.  No need to gratuitously cut those out (sure as sh*t isn't going to get me to buy a console).

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This is awesome Bioware!

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Sero303 wrote...

Hold off judgment, yes. We have nothing but speculation as to actual content yet. Our Faith was rewarded with ME2 and with 99% of ME3, so why not wait and see.

This does not mean, buisness is back to usual though. Caution is the new watchword I think


Maybe they should change the name to BuyAware.

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What's missing is any form of explanation as of why this crap ending was chosen. No need to elaborate on it really the ending is bad when a large bunch of customers say so. We need it fixed, not expanded upon.

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What worries me is that with the extended cutscene, will it make my choices throughout the 3 games matter more? Because at the moment everything still boils down to 3 choices....

It probably won't. What BioWare did now is simply doing something half-assed again. They dont want to go the full mile in solving this problem and it will come back to bite them.

If it is worth doing, it is worth doing well!

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 I really feel like this whole thing is just further damage control.
"We're making it 'better'...in several months. So please stop spreading the word about how terrible, rushed, and disappointing our game is. You will be rewarded for your loyalty. Promise."

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Galenwolf wrote...

Doesn't matter. This is like me explaining why I just popped a piece of dog poop in someones lunch, doesn't take away from the fact I did it, doesn't take away the fact now someone has eaten dog poop.

No amount of explaining why the ending is the worst in gaming history will make it any less bad, it will just make it longer.

I hope bioware ends up like westwood and bullfrog. They didn't deserve it, you lot do.

BTW your so called "artistic integrity" can do take a flying (censored). Its a product, a product you made specific promises to and didn't deliver on and what you did deliver is sodding awful.


Correction: some people within that "lot" do. Be careful not to hate on the worker bees: they're just doing what they're told to do and have no more input than we do.

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LordDain wrote...

What's missing is any form of explanation as of why this crap ending was chosen. No need to elaborate on it really the ending is bad when a large bunch of customers say so. We need it fixed, not expanded upon.


But surely you MUST want a polished turd over some plain old dull turd?  Polished and shiny turd?  Or plain, dull, slightly glistening turd?

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How did this game get 75 perfect scores? 1 guy got paid and 74 guys just copied off of him?

Because it's a great game?

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What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey.




Let this DLC tucked himself in one place.
rip mass effect. rip BioWare

Modifié par PaxtonFetel, 05 avril 2012 - 06:07 .