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[Raizo]

Pretty much what I thought it would be so I have no problems with it being what it is. Hopefully these extended scenes and epilogues will add some much needed closure to ME3 and also some replay value.

'Summer' is a very vague release date, in theory we could be waiting several months for this DLC. Makes you wonder what Bioware are adding to this DLC that it would take so long to make.

Edit:

I forgot to add that I am pleasantly surprised that we are getting free DLC from EA/Bioware.

Modifié par Raizo, 05 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[rapscallioness]

Okay..okay.

I am cautiously optimistic, but I think this is a great step in the right direction. And seems as though it is still a work in progress...so, who knows? It may very well kick butt. I hope so.

I hope these "cinematic sequences" are quality. I really hope they Show my war assets/allies in action. Their success or failure depneding upon my personal readiness.

I want to see some Turians and Krogan working/fighting together. I want to see the Quarian and Geth putting the Smack down on some Reapers.

Of course, depending on what option I picked in the Star Child sequence, the ability of my Quarian/Geth alliance assets may be severely crippled. (Destroy ending?) Eeeeee. That might actually make it harder for me to choose Destroy.

Oh, but wait....Idk how Bw is gonna do the time line of these cinematics. Are they going to be happening while Shepard is in the Citadel Twilight Zone? Or...immediately after? I...don't know.

I still want to see my war assets in action. I know it's video-game-y, but I did buy a video game. So, yeah.

I would like a Quality epilogue. I take heart in the idea that it will "feel like a more personalized" ending for "each player". That has potential.

So, apparently, StarChild is BW's baby and they're not giving it up. Lol. Okay. Okay. Just make it work for me. Have it make sense. Flesh it out.

Depending on how they handle, I think this could work out.

It's not the "new ending" so many were hoping for, but personally, I'm willing to meet BW half way on this. And it's free which was really important to me. I could not see paying for this.

I hope you come out swinging, BW. I hope this is kick butt and quality. And if these Cinematic sequences and epilogue reflect my level of readiness in visibly different ways, it would go a long way in increasing my desire to replay it a few times. Because right now I'm not feeling the replay value. Give me a reason to replay it. Something to fight for even if it is cinematics.

I want to see what happens. Fleets in the Sol, are they stuck, or actually destroyed? Is that why Joker took off? Did he see fleets being destroyed by the blast? Idk?

Normandy crash and squaddies teleporting..was that just a glitch? Or do you know something I don't, BW. Let me in on it, eh? You usually tell a pretty good story, BW. Don't clam up on me now. This is no time to get coquettish about it all. Wth happened?

So, although you're keeping StarChild, if you flesh it out more, I'm, personally, okay with that. And if you actually Show me this time how what I did, or didn't do, makes a darn bit of difference...I might even play the multiplayer again.

P.S. *shuffles around awkwardly while looking at the floor*

I did save the Rachni...twice..uh, you know...I would sure love a quick scene w/ the Rachni swooping in to Help out the gang. Something more than an Email about them helping to build the Crucible. That had no fizz at all. Flat.

It's just that the idea of wildly different races/species setting aside their differences, their bitter rivalries, and coming together--unifying to fight this foe..is a story very much worth telling. A story worth completing. That's what I would like to see in these "cinematic sequences".

Tl;dr: cautiously optimistic

[K_Tabris]

Questions:

1) Is this free?

2) Do I need to renew Gold in order to download it?

Cuz I am fed up to here with EA and Microsoft.

[Super.Sid]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Questions:

1) Is this free?

2) Do I need to renew Gold in order to download it?

Cuz I am fed up to here with EA and Microsoft.

Yes its free

[Artemis_Entrari]

You know what?  I'm holding out a bit of hope that this could service as the closure I was hoping for.  It COULD work ... or it could make things even worse, as difficult as that may be.  We'll see soon.

While slide shows and ending cinematics aren't ideal, I'd be OK with them under the following situations:

1-The slide show and ending cinematics you get DEPEND ON YOUR CHOICES THROUGH THE GAMES.  Finally, hopefully we get DIFFERENT endings depending entirely on what we did through the three games.  I better not get the exact same cut scenes and slideshows for my Paragaon Shepard who united the Geth and Quarians, who romanced Ashley, who saved the council, who destroyed the collector base, who let the Rachni queen live, and who cured the genophage, that I get for my Renegade Shepard who made pretty much the opposite choice for those options.

2-The cutscenes MAKE SENSE.  As it currently is, we've got a nonsensical scene with Joke and crew running away like cowards, and when they crash land in Jurrassic Park, some of the folks who exit the Normandy were RIGHT BESIDE ME in London when Harbinger's beam hit.  That's an example of a cut scene/cinematic that needs to be either deleted, or needs a heck of a lot of explanation for a]why Joker suddenly appears to be a coward, and b]how my squadmates who should be rubble on Earth are on the Normandy.

3-Don't railroad the player into the choice between making everyone a cyborg and having to eradicate Geth/EDI.  There really should be another option.  As it stands, either Shepard agrees to turn everyone against their will into some kind of part organic part machine being, or he wipes out every machine life in the galaxy.  This railroading kind of ruins one of the bigger themes of Mass Effect, which is freeing the Geth from their shackles and acknowledging them as actual individuals who deserve to live.  But the only way to do that in the current endings is to make everyone else into hybrids of them.

4-Not all all slideshows end in the same bleak "you lost" result that the current ones do.  And yes, Shepard should live (along with his crew) in one.

Those are the important ones.  The first two more so than the third.  I can live without the third, so long as the first two are fleshed out and MAKE SENSE of what we currently have.

[Getorex]

Martin3389 wrote...

Getorex: I still stand by my post. Maybe I'm assuming too much of Bioware, maybe I'm not. I simply wrote down my thoughts about the whole "ending business". What makes sense to me doesn't need to make sense to anybody else. I'll just put it this way, just because something was at the end doesn't mean that it was the real end. No sane developer would botch like 7 years of his handiwork by this. The whole part AFTER choosing one from three "endings" seemed forced and on-the-fly to me, because I think that they weren't able to do what they wanted to do because of the deadlines. That is reason enough for me. They just might do the DLC the way you described because it is expected by the audience. Maybe Bioware realized that the way they wanted to do it won't satisfy the masses. Or maybe they are just biding time to make sure to deliver their intended closure to this saga properly and that's why it's taking so long. Thanks for your reaction btw.

Sure...but companies (including Bioware) HAVE tanked otherwise good games/series.  It is what they do MOST of the time.  They don't go out and intentionally torpedo their work but it happens.  It happens because people leave the company leaving dregs behind, or leaving people with no clue what the whole thing was about so they just jump in with both feet and...fail.  Or they run out of time and just plaster something on the end to get it out the door (or combo of the previous).  Most of the time (not always, but most of the time) they just leave the rotting corpse to lay there.  They don't have the money or time to fix it or they just don't give a crap and want to do something else.  SOMETIMES (rare) they fix it.  DE:HR Square Enix apologized for their booboos in the game and fixed it in DLC, demonstrating that they not only heard the criticisms, but took it to heart!  Fallout 3 is a case study of ending change too. All in response to player outrage.  

When has Bioware EVER done these things with ANY game they borked up here or there (usually it is the ending that causes the problems)?  Seriously.  When?

[Super.Sid]

Ms Merizan has said a few good things that are expected. But if we are deceived like before then the outcome will be far worse.

[Ziroz]

Gurka84 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Fixed it for you!

[orbit991]

Anything that goes beyond the cheap deus ex machina endings would help. At least there might be a point to play the games again.

[Getorex]

Super.Sid wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Questions:

1) Is this free?

2) Do I need to renew Gold in order to download it?

Cuz I am fed up to here with EA and Microsoft.

Yes its free

Sort of.  Isn't it true that you cannot do free on an xbox?  I do PC only so don't know but people in these forums have stated that you CAN'T get free anything on xbox.

[Getorex]

Ziroz wrote...

Gurka84 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Fixed it for you!

PERFECT!

[Getorex]

Raizo wrote...

Pretty much what I thought it would be so I have no problems with it being what it is. Hopefully these extended scenes and epilogues will add some much needed closure to ME3 and also some replay value.

'Summer' is a very vague release date, in theory we could be waiting several months for this DLC. Makes you wonder what Bioware are adding to this DLC that it would take so long to make.

Edit:

I forgot to add that I am pleasantly surprised that we are getting free DLC from EA/Bioware.

They HAVE to.  They are now in damage control mode (and trying to prevent a dustuip at PAX).  They also likely have some DLC in the can that they want to sell BEFORE the ending passive b-movie video is sent out.  They are hoping people will cough up the cash to buy pre-ending DLC BEFORE they get around to releasing a "clarification".  Once the "clarification" is out, there is no guarantee at all that there will be much selling of ANY DLC after that (depending on exactly what it entails).

[NickelToe]

Nice delaying tactic to maintain their dlc release schedule. The faithful religious of Bioware will keep you showered in money.

The option to keep this ending for the Bioware Congregation can still be there and they could make good on the promises on varied ending based on what actually happened in the rest of the game.

[Dyvim Slorm]

Doesn't answer the question if you still have to MP to get all the possible endings, but it seems a step in the right direction hopefully.

Modifié par Dyvim Slorm, 05 avril 2012 - 06:31 .

[PaxtonFetel]

On what promises even worse than silence. However, I am tired and will remove all the games Mass Effect. I wanted to delete the account, but changed his mind. In any case, good luck to all. RIP Mass Effect.

[SalsaDMA]

OdanUrr wrote...

Fenderbaum wrote...

They also said there would be a major event for the ones who were excluded from the Bazarr....
They also said that DA2 wasn;t push a buttom awesome...
They also said that if you died in Origins, you would not appear in Awakenings...
They also said that ME3 would conclude your story based upon all your choices and be a personal story...

Shall I continue?

You have to be VERY careful lying when money is involved.

Not if you got good enough lawyers, or can convince enough people that your multi-billion dollar industry isn't to be taken serious because it's just 'X' you are selling, and thus it shouldn't be too much concern for anyone what happens in that industry...

[twaninator]

This whole thing is getting obnoxious. Of course they weren't going to change the ending, and I don’t expect them to. The damage is done, as far as I’m concerned. I just hope that somewhere down the line they’ll own up to what happened with the ending.

I’m not saying that the writers at BioWare aren’t talented, because they are. But thinking that the ending(s) we got would be anything even remotely resembling adequate was a severe oversight.

Regardless of gameplay, the one thing that you absolutely MUST do in any trilogy is maintain the integrity of the overarching plot throughout the series. It showed signs of falling apart in ME2, but by the third game it’s safe to say that any vision they may have had for this series’ story has long been forgotten.

The fact that they even have the audacity to use terms like “artistic integrity” after blatantly insulting our intelligence with plot devices like The Crucible is mind-boggling. The deus ex machina complaint has been brought up plenty of times, but the bottom line is that anybody with 3rd grade literature experience knows to avoid this sort of thing.

P.S. Yes, The Crucible is a deus ex machina. We’ve known about the Reaper threat since ME1.

Modifié par twaninator, 05 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[K_Tabris]

Wait, so they might penalize xbox players because of Microsoft?

And apparently Silver is good for this.

[Corbinus]

L00p wrote...
We've been over this many times now. It is their RIGHT to not give a sh!t about customers complaining.
Now, whether that is what they SHOULd do to stay in business, that's something else entirely.

Oh, so to stay in business they should go against themselves and change their own ending,  not because they want but to make more money?
No. IMHO creator's ideas are more important then this.

Modifié par Corbinus, 05 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[Getorex]

twaninator wrote...

This whole thing is getting obnoxious. Of course they weren't going to change the ending, and I don’t expect them to. The damage is done, as far as I’m concerned. I just hope that somewhere down the line they’ll own up to what happened with the ending.

I’m not saying that the writers at BioWare aren’t talented, because they are. But thinking that the ending(s) we got would be anything even remotely resembling adequate was a severe oversight.

Regardless of gameplay, the one thing that you absolutely MUST do in any trilogy is maintain the integrity of the overarching plot throughout the series. It showed signs of falling apart in ME2, but by the third game it’s safe to say that any vision they may have had for this series’ story has long been forgotten.

The fact that they even have the audacity to use terms like “artistic integrity” after blatantly insulting our intelligence with plot devices like The Crucible is mind-boggling. The deus ex machina complaint has been brought up plenty of times, but the bottom line is that anybody with 3rd grade literature experience knows to avoid this sort of thing.

P.S. Yes, The Crucible is a deus ex machina. We’ve known about the Reaper threat since ME1.

No...I'm pretty sure that in 3rd grade I may well have used a deus ex machina ending, not really knowing then that it was a no-no.  Presumably when you grow older and wiser and more edumacated you get to know that it is lazy at best but by 3rd grade?

Any movie ending (IF it actually gets made at this point...I think not) will NOT be the ending of ME3, that is certain.  Not a single test audience on earth would be OK with that ending.  So the movie will be forced to have a proper ending that was denied the actual game.  

Or it will be done by Ewe Bolls and the ending wont matter at all.

[Getorex]

Corbinus wrote...

L00p wrote...
We've been over this many times now. It is their RIGHT to not give a sh!t about customers complaining.
Now, whether that is what they SHOULd do to stay in business, that's something else entirely.

Oh, so to stay in business they should go against themselves and change their own ending,  not because they want but to make more money?
No. IMHO creator's ideas are more important then this.

Nope.  No such thing as "artistic integrity".  Especially not in commercial products.  Sorry. 

Next!

[SalsaDMA]

Persephone wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah my attitude on this is meh.

I'm not wasting more than 25 bucks on ME3. So whateves.

It's FREE.

GRATIS.

NO PAYMENT REQUIRED.

It's a patch by another name.

When was the last time you paid for a patch?

[ArthurBDD]

twaninator wrote...

Regardless of gameplay, the one thing that you absolutely MUST do in any trilogy is maintain the integrity of the overarching plot throughout the series. It showed signs of falling apart in ME2, but by the third game it’s safe to say that any vision they may have had for this series’ story has long been forgotten.

The fact that they even have the audacity to use terms like “artistic integrity” after blatantly insulting our intelligence with plot devices like The Crucible is mind-boggling. The deus ex machina complaint has been brought up plenty of times, but the bottom line is that anybody with 3rd grade literature experience knows to avoid this sort of thing. 

100% this.

Like I've said elsewhere: BioWare are welcome to keep their "artistic integrity", but it's coming at the cost of their artistic credibility.

[Yves Goyette]

Well now we know,,,,, this is the REAL ending...
Why don`t write a little bit of explanation of your ending in the post for stopping the debate and theory about it until the dlc,,especially this summer,because their are lot of incoherences for the last part of the game..
I`m confuse now to believe in you after all your(somehow) false trailer and commercial of ME3 and not to forget the one day dlc controversy.

edit:  but you try something,this is ok and thank you but what a mess with that game.

Modifié par Yves Goyette, 05 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[twaninator]

I may have overestimated the creative writing prowess of the average 3rd grader. I apologize.