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[Mad Cassidy]

Oh, yay... they're drawing out what is widely perceived to be a terrible ending. It's not just about closure - it's about the increadible amount of plot holes and hand-waiving that resolved all choices into one outcome that defied all logic.

They'd better try damned hard to make sense of the 'space magic,' address what happens now that all the relays have exploded and presumably wiped out 99% of all spacefaring civilization, and make sure not everyone gets the same stock ending cinematics.

While I can understand their reluctance to change the endings (for personal and financial reasons), it doesn't sit well with me that the ending will continue to be considered the sole canon for all playthroughs regardless of player choices throughout the three games. Players wanted branching narratives. What they got was the exact opposite. Unfortunately, this doesn't look to be about to change.

[Eterna]

Mad Cass wrote...

Oh, yay... they're drawing out what is widely perceived to be a terrible ending. It's not just about closure - it's about the increadible amount of plot holes and hand-waiving that resolved all choices into one outcome that defied all logic.

They'd better try damned hard to make sense of the 'space magic,' address what happens now that all the relays have exploded and presumably wiped out 99% of all spacefaring civilization, and make sure not everyone gets the same stock ending cinematics.

While I can understand their reluctance to change the endings (for personal and financial reasons), it doesn't sit well with me that the ending will continue to be considered the sole canon for all playthroughs regardless of player choices throughout the three games. Players wanted branching narratives. What they got was the exact opposite. Unfortunately, this doesn't look to be about to change.

 They'll probably fix the plot holes. Duh. 

[Getorex]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mad Cass wrote...

Oh, yay... they're drawing out what is widely perceived to be a terrible ending. It's not just about closure - it's about the increadible amount of plot holes and hand-waiving that resolved all choices into one outcome that defied all logic.

They'd better try damned hard to make sense of the 'space magic,' address what happens now that all the relays have exploded and presumably wiped out 99% of all spacefaring civilization, and make sure not everyone gets the same stock ending cinematics.

While I can understand their reluctance to change the endings (for personal and financial reasons), it doesn't sit well with me that the ending will continue to be considered the sole canon for all playthroughs regardless of player choices throughout the three games. Players wanted branching narratives. What they got was the exact opposite. Unfortunately, this doesn't look to be about to change.

 They'll probably fix the plot holes. Duh. 

Cannot be fixed.  Duh.

[Mad Cassidy]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mad Cass wrote...

Oh, yay... they're drawing out what is widely perceived to be a terrible ending. It's not just about closure - it's about the increadible amount of plot holes and hand-waiving that resolved all choices into one outcome that defied all logic.

They'd better try damned hard to make sense of the 'space magic,' address what happens now that all the relays have exploded and presumably wiped out 99% of all spacefaring civilization, and make sure not everyone gets the same stock ending cinematics.

While I can understand their reluctance to change the endings (for personal and financial reasons), it doesn't sit well with me that the ending will continue to be considered the sole canon for all playthroughs regardless of player choices throughout the three games. Players wanted branching narratives. What they got was the exact opposite. Unfortunately, this doesn't look to be about to change.

 They'll probably fix the plot holes. Duh. 

We can hope. However, considering how much was wrong with the ending, it might be impossible to explain away everything. I have the feeling they won't be retconning (i.e. fixing) anything so much as simply providing extended epilogue sequences.

Modifié par Mad Cass, 06 avril 2012 - 02:19 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mad Cass wrote...

Oh, yay... they're drawing out what is widely perceived to be a terrible ending. It's not just about closure - it's about the increadible amount of plot holes and hand-waiving that resolved all choices into one outcome that defied all logic.

They'd better try damned hard to make sense of the 'space magic,' address what happens now that all the relays have exploded and presumably wiped out 99% of all spacefaring civilization, and make sure not everyone gets the same stock ending cinematics.

While I can understand their reluctance to change the endings (for personal and financial reasons), it doesn't sit well with me that the ending will continue to be considered the sole canon for all playthroughs regardless of player choices throughout the three games. Players wanted branching narratives. What they got was the exact opposite. Unfortunately, this doesn't look to be about to change.

 They'll probably fix the plot holes. Duh. 

That'll be tricky to do without following the Indoctrination Theory.

[TheDoctor]

Geeee Bioware, thanks for not listening, not fixing the misserable failure that were the last 5 minutes of your 5 year space epic turning everything before to ash in your mouth and now setting up a nice smoke screen with "more explanations" for your seemingly stupid customer who "just don't get it".


Goodbye and thanks for all the fish... I'll be taking my future business elsewhere.

[Harley_Dude]

Instead of being all artsy fartsy they could just borrow from ME1 and have IM transform into some kind of Harbinger construct. Have a boss fight where you have to uses dodge and melee to survive. Just before Harby takes the last bar of your health a bloody Vega limps in with the Claymore and says 'Adios Muchacho' and takes his head off. Or have Liara filet him with her mind. No Caspar, no pick a color, no Gilligan's Island. I'd be happy with that.

[PadawanMage71]

I wonder how many multi-colored endings there'll be for any future games?

Or will the 'artistic integrity' card be used again?

Seriously, I wonder which 'passionate fans' (drinking game, anyone?) they actually listen to?

I really loved Bioware ever since KOTOR came out, but now? Any new future games I will be very ambivalent about buying...

Rose colored glasses? Some Bioware people really need to take off their Red, Green and Blue colored glasses.

[Blastback]

kbct wrote...

Blastback wrote...

I'll hold my final judgment until I see what it is that Bioware does. This could be enough to fix alot of my problems. 

How so? They just said they would only creeate "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes."

You're okay with the god-child and the colors creating same results for everything you did over the last three games?

I don't want to give up on my favorite game developer and am trying to maintain some degree of optimism.

I want Bioware to go back to making games I can enjoy.  They were making almost exactly the kinds of products that I wanted.  That said I'm not buying anything from them until I see if this does fix things. 

Last chance Bioware.  You've taken to big strikes with the ME3 ending and DA2.  Make this swing count.

[Carmen_Willow]

While I will do doubt download the extended cut just to see it, I have doubts that anything can take away the bleak, hopeless, sense of "what the heck was it all for" feeling that I had after my first playthough (when I didn't score high enough to get anything other than the RED ending).

On my second playthrough, I got high enough to get the RED and BLUE choices. Gee, that was fun, physical death vs. spiritual death, wow what a choice!

By my third playthough, I had read enough to know how many stupid points I needed to get ALL THREE COLORS (and a win-win decision for two warring factions).  But by that time, I really didn't care.  It all felt the same. Who cared what color your chose, we still got a center that wasn't holding and a rough beast slouching toward Bethlehem to be born (to paraphrase Yeats).

I could go for a fourth playthough and try to get the PERFECT SCORE so that I can see someone take a breath, but why bother?

We'll see what the extended cut has to offer. Perhaps I'll laugh, perhaps I'll cry, or maybe, I'll just.....yawn.

[Lesbian Wood Elf]

It feels like I'm the only one happy with this solution.

Tell them...I held the line...

[SSV Enterprise]

You only fixed half of the problem, BioWare. Only part of the problem was the lack of closure and explanation -- you seem to be fixing that. The other problem was that the ending was just plain stupid, ran contrary to the themes of the game, didn't incorporate the players' choices throughout the game, and created many plotholes. I just don't see how you can fix that without scrapping the ending, at least from the point where, erm, the second to last person to die dies.

Still, I don't know just what will be in this DLC, and the content probably hasn't been fully locked down at this point. And I appreciate that it will be free. I will hold judgement until it actually comes out. If it does a good job at fixing the ending, I will resume calling myself a BioWare fan and continue buying the games, expanded universe material, and other merchandise. If it doesn't really fix much, Mass Effect 3 will have been the last BioWare product that I buy. This from someone who has spent a few hundred dollars on BioWare products since first buying Knights of the Old Republic.

Thank you for at least trying to listen to fans.

[ArchangelM24]

On the bright side, at least now I'm going to get a helluva lot of in store credit when I hand back in all my EA and Bioware games to Gamestop

[Getorex]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

While I will do doubt download the extended cut just to see it, I have doubts that anything can take away the bleak, hopeless, sense of "what the heck was it all for" feeling that I had after my first playthough (when I didn't score high enough to get anything other than the RED ending).

On my second playthrough, I got high enough to get the RED and BLUE choices. Gee, that was fun, physical death vs. spiritual death, wow what a choice!

By my third playthough, I had read enough to know how many stupid points I needed to get ALL THREE COLORS (and a win-win decision for two warring factions).  But by that time, I really didn't care.  It all felt the same. Who cared what color your chose, we still got a center that wasn't holding and a rough beast slouching toward Bethlehem to be born (to paraphrase Yeats).

I could go for a fourth playthough and try to get the PERFECT SCORE so that I can see someone take a breath, but why bother?

We'll see what the extended cut has to offer. Perhaps I'll laugh, perhaps I'll cry, or maybe, I'll just.....yawn.

Maybe you'll barf!  A good vomit could be cathartic and purging!

[Dakota Strider]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

While I will do doubt download the extended cut just to see it, I have doubts that anything can take away the bleak, hopeless, sense of "what the heck was it all for" feeling that I had after my first playthough (when I didn't score high enough to get anything other than the RED ending).

On my second playthrough, I got high enough to get the RED and BLUE choices. Gee, that was fun, physical death vs. spiritual death, wow what a choice!

By my third playthough, I had read enough to know how many stupid points I needed to get ALL THREE COLORS (and a win-win decision for two warring factions).  But by that time, I really didn't care.  It all felt the same. Who cared what color your chose, we still got a center that wasn't holding and a rough beast slouching toward Bethlehem to be born (to paraphrase Yeats).

I could go for a fourth playthough and try to get the PERFECT SCORE so that I can see someone take a breath, but why bother?

We'll see what the extended cut has to offer. Perhaps I'll laugh, perhaps I'll cry, or maybe, I'll just.....yawn.

I have to give you credit for playing through it 3 times.  Once was all I could take, knowing what was waiting at the end.

[Emzamination]

kbct wrote...

Blastback wrote...

I'll hold my final judgment until I see what it is that Bioware does. This could be enough to fix alot of my problems. 

How so? They just said they would only creeate "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes."

You're okay with the god-child and the colors creating same results for everything you did over the last three games?

In all seriousness, some epilogue explaining what became of my LI,friends,a touching memorial scene and I'm straight.

That all I wanted from the beginning anyway.

[thekatoman]

I find it very odd Bioware is not listening to the fans.  This is terrible business.  It's not like they would lose customers if they released a new ending but they will lose many customers by not releasing a new ending.  I think they are vastly under estimating how large of a problem this is. The Mass Effect series was easily my favorite series of all time until the ending.  All the goodwill Bioware built up over the past 5 years was completely destroyed in a terrible 10 minute ending.  I think the artistic integrity defense is ridiculous, something as bad as this ending does not have any artistic integrity.

[RedDuke2011]

Extended cut.... HAH. Thank you Bioware for breaking the last straw by not "fixing" anything. I'm done with your company.

[ssgt thompson1]

Gonna drop the biggest plot hole ever.

ME1 sovereign - We have no beginning we have no end, we simply are.
ME3 star child - oh yeh man we created these machines a few years ago so organic races wont be killed by machines.

[Gerza71]

please, Please, PLEASE.

[Volourn]

"I really loved Bioware ever since KOTOR came out, but now? "

KOTOR is one of their 3 worst games along with S:RPG and KOTOR MMO. *PUKE*

[Gatt9]

thekatoman wrote...

I find it very odd Bioware is not listening to the fans.  This is terrible business.  It's not like they would lose customers if they released a new ending but they will lose many customers by not releasing a new ending.  I think they are vastly under estimating how large of a problem this is. The Mass Effect series was easily my favorite series of all time until the ending.  All the goodwill Bioware built up over the past 5 years was completely destroyed in a terrible 10 minute ending.  I think the artistic integrity defense is ridiculous, something as bad as this ending does not have any artistic integrity.

The reason it seems odd to you is because you've made a error early in your analysis,  it's an easy error to make,  in fact,  it's an error you're supposed to make.  You're thinking "Bioware",  Bioware is a brand name EA uses on a number of it's Non-Sports studios,  what you're thinking of ceased to exist several years ago.

EA is looking at this in dollars,  EA's trying to find an angle that lets them sell DLC.  This is that plan.  They're not going to change the endings because that disrupts the intended DLC,  so what they're going to do is give you some cinematics that act as a teaser-trailer lead in to the planned DLC hoping to pacify the consumers and lead them into the DLC.

EA's still operating under the assumption that this is some passing event they can just ignore and ride out,  much like they have with the other stuff they've pulled over the years.  EA is going to stay on the path of trying to nickle-dime gamers out of significantly more than $60 to get the whole game.  EA doesn't understand at all that their current buisness practices have completely alienated alot of gamers,  they think we'll just "Go pout and then come back for more".

They are vastly underestimating this,  I firmly believe we've just barely seen the tip of the iceberg.  I think this was the last straw.

Modifié par Gatt9, 06 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[Zolt51]

Well, problem solved. Everybody can go home happy now, no?

[staindgrey]

It's free? Cool.

Don't want what's being offered, though. I'll treat it like a sample from one of those Chinese restaurants at the mall and take it, then wait in line at the store over to whom I actually want to give my money.

[MegaSovereign]

Zolt51 wrote...

Well, problem solved. Everybody can go home happy now, no?

Just what I'm thinking.

People are *still* complaining.