1648 réponses à ce sujet

[Revelo]

I'm conflicted about this. One the one hand we should be getting closure and finally seeing how our choices panned out as a result of what we did over the last three games, making it free is also pretty nice of them. However this just feels like a really lazy solution here, it's like Bioware are simply sending us their middle finger wrapped in a box and saying it's a present. Sadly I'm skeptical until something comes out.

However, it still feels like they are polishing a turd, it's not fixing the ending, it's not filling in those numerous plot holes, it's not giving us more options to end the game in a manner that reflects how our Shepard would behave, it's simply tacking on a few more minutes of cut-scenes to please us. classy Bioware, nice way to insult and look down upon the community that has supported you through thick and thin, even with the mess that was DA2 and TOR we still stuck by you and were hoping this game would deliver on what you promised. I don't know how long it takes to render a few more minutes of non playable gaming but 3-6 months is a joke, surely? Clearly you are unable to face up to the fans and tell them something solid...

If you had any sort of integrity and love for us all, you would have grown a quad, apologized for misleading everyone and promised to actually fix the damn ending. I hate to bring up Bethesda again, but they never cowered behind "artistic integrity" and behaved condescending to us, they spent time and effort extending Fallout 3, giving us more to play and closure that helped satisfy people. Right now I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did wind up making us pay for staring at our screens for 5-10 minutes more, considering the amount of broken promises already on the floor.

So RIP Bioware, can you say hi to Westwood and Maxis for me?

Modifié par Revelo, 06 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Reva-C]

I don't understand why anyone would.....or why they think anyone would.....spend money and time on a DLC for a game, knowing that whatever happens it won't actually matter, because their ending renders all choices/actions etc futile. I buy a DLC because it adds to the game....knowing that no matter what happens in it, the ending is still going to *boom* it all.....makes absolutely no sense to bother buying/playing it.

Shadowbroker is a great example....it was great because it had great gameplay....it added more to ME2 but actually, it also went through and affected ME3, and you think 'hooray! massive advantage for fighting the reapers!'........now imagine it in ME3....what's the point? When you know that even if you win, it makes no difference, it gives no advantage, because it still all comes down to shep getting three copy/paste endings to pick from....and they're all about to go bang with the relays.

Modifié par Reva-C, 06 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Sir Fluffykins]

@Reva-C: Far too many posts saying the same thing. Cool it for awhile, we get it, this annoucement isn't what you expected and having to wait months to see what it actually adds to the story, will be a massive pain for those who wanted closure when they finished ME3. I understand but saying it over and over won't make whatever they'll do arrive quicker now that it's been revealed.

Sadly, you should take comfort it's free and play something else to take your mind off it, because, for me, this will be one long wait.

[Bhaal]

RebelTitan428 wrote...

what it says is that within a year, we'll be get the oppurtunity to pay or powerpoint slide shows?

no thanks

[Reva-C]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

@Reva-C: Far too many posts saying the same thing. Cool it for awhile, we get it, this annoucement isn't what you expected and having to wait months to see what it actually adds to the story, will be a massive pain for those who wanted closure when they finished ME3. I understand but saying it over and over won't make whatever they'll do arrive quicker now that it's been revealed.

Sadly, you should take comfort it's free and play something else to take your mind off it, because, for me, this will be one long wait.

Actually, they all said different things LOL One said it wasn't enough....one said after thinking about it I think a video is worse than nothing....in one I talked about how bioware behaved over the last few weeks....in others I responded directly to other peoples points, and so not my own....and in another I talked about the futility of buying a DLC in the future (not the one we're being offered free).

So yeah, a lot of posts.....but I'm not spamming the same thing over and over again, they're all expressing differentpoints......and I had thought that was the point of a message board? Obviously not. I didn't know we were rationed to one view point per quarter of an hour.......LOL

Modifié par Reva-C, 06 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Wynteryth]

f1r3storm wrote...

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BioWare, a Label of Electronic Arts Inc. announced Mass Effect™ 3:
Extended Cut, a downloadable content pack that will expand upon the events at the end of the critically acclaimed Action RPG. Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey
concludes. Coming this summer, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut will be available for download on the Xbox 360® videogame and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and PC for no extra charge*.

“We are all incredibly proud of Mass Effect 3 and the work done by Casey Hudson and team,” said Dr. Ray Muzyka, Co-Founder of BioWare and General Manager of EA’s BioWare Label. “Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans and we are responding. With the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut we think we have struck a good balance in delivering the answers players are looking for while maintaining the team’s artistic vision for the end of this story arc in the Mass Effect universe.”

Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect series added, “We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player.”

http://www.businessw...-3-Extended-Cut

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?

• For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer
  extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to
  the conclusion of Commander Shepard’s journey.

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
  end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
  expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

• BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating
  additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending
  sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity
  and closure to Mass Effect 3.

When will the Extended Cut DLC be available?

• Currently the Extended Cut DLC is planned for this summer, no specific date has been announced at this point.

Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?

• Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we
  made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would
  like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to
  provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional
  context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard’s story.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

So, this is basically a big F U to the fans all because BioWare "wants to protect their artisitic License".
Sorry BioWare, but there isn't anything you can do with cinematics that will make the endings any better than the garbage they are now.  In fact, you seem to have missed that fans don't want more cinematics.  

The fans didn't want more CLOSURE.  They wanted things to actually MAKE SENSE.  And nothing in the way the endings went actually MADE SENSE.  Especially not the idiocy of blowing up the Mass Relays. If the Mass Relays didn't kill everyone (which they should have based on the Arrival DLC), then you've stranded hundreds of thousands, if not MILLIONS, of Aliens in the SOL solar system with no way to get back to their own plantets and no way to actually provide for themselves.  Ther is no cinematic that can explain how your crew got back on the Normandy and "escapes" only to be marooned on some distant, earth-like planet.. 

Your claims of "listening" to the fans are nothing but BS lies.  And you are proving it with this idiotic Extend Cut DLC garbage that doesn't actually address the issues fans have brought up. You all fubared DA:II and you fubared the ending of ME3.  And there isn't anything you've said that will actually placate fans.. 

[McSorley]

nvm, it was totally spoilers.  I was just wondering if it would fill the massive plot holes...

Modifié par McSorley, 06 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[Wynteryth]

Justin2k wrote...

Getorex wrote...

This isn't a fix. They are simply trying to slap paint on the rusted out hulk of a game they wrecked. The ending CANNOT be fixed by expanding on it! It CANNOT. No matter what makeup you plaster on that f*cker you cannot make the illogical become logical, the irrational become rational, the retarded become not retarded. Only with religion can more handwaving over gaping ridiculous HOLES in the plot of the belief system in any way be called a "fix" or "improvement".

1+1 = 2 no matter how badly you want it to equal 3. It doesn't.

So don't download it, go away and play another game.  They aren't going to rewrite the whole of ME3 for you, and you won't settle for less so just trade in the game for something you enjoy and move on with your life.  That goes for all of the retake haters.

No one is asking them to "re-write the whole of ME3".  People are asking them to actually FIX the problem.  Which this will not do.  And that seems to be beyond your ability of comprehension. 

[Wynteryth]

BlueDemonX wrote...

ThaddeusPL wrote...

If they don't give us promised 16 endings this is crap.

Well, there are 16 endings (or close to that). They just aren´t what we expected them to be!

I guess we couldn´t have expected more. This extended cut might satisfy me...

There aren't 16 endings.. There is ONE ending that's been slightly modified twice.. That's doesn't make it different. Hell even the wonky D&D Pick-A-Path adventure books knew what different endings were.. 

[JPVS]

So they continue not to respond to their promises (several different endings, no A, B, C choice for endings, are some of them), continue to accept "space magic" and will even develop it, will continue destroying characters like Joker and all the squad members by turning them into big teleporting cowards that run away, and also continue to literally leave the universe destroyed with everyone dying by the lack of food? Nice. Keep the DLC then, I don't want it. And keep any other DLCs or games. I hope EA shares continue to drop, want to see them even standing a bit of competing chance against Blizzard. At least that company cares more about "quality" of the games they send.

[Grey21]

Wynteryth wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Getorex wrote...

This isn't a fix. They are simply trying to slap paint on the rusted out hulk of a game they wrecked. The ending CANNOT be fixed by expanding on it! It CANNOT. No matter what makeup you plaster on that f*cker you cannot make the illogical become logical, the irrational become rational, the retarded become not retarded. Only with religion can more handwaving over gaping ridiculous HOLES in the plot of the belief system in any way be called a "fix" or "improvement".

1+1 = 2 no matter how badly you want it to equal 3. It doesn't.

So don't download it, go away and play another game.  They aren't going to rewrite the whole of ME3 for you, and you won't settle for less so just trade in the game for something you enjoy and move on with your life.  That goes for all of the retake haters.

No one is asking them to "re-write the whole of ME3".  People are asking them to actually FIX the problem.  Which this will not do.  And that seems to be beyond your ability of comprehension. 

Exactly. ME3 might have been a bit repetitive at times (boring even) but people aren't complaining about that. Well, perhaps some are, but the masses aren't complaining about that.

They are complaining about the last 10 minutes, everything from the moment the Reaper-beam hits you. That is when the game goes 180 degrees and just stops making sense. It is so unbelievably and illogical, that the only sound explanation is that it isn't real. Believing It is a DREAM / ILLUSION makes the ending, that is how messed up the ending is.

I'm still hoping the indoctrination theory is true, it could salavage ME3 but what Bioware is saying now conflict with this. They're basically saying the ending is what it is and we are all just too stupid to understand them. So they have to go out of their way and make additional cutscenes to help us stupid peasants understand their brilliance. They are taking the Sucker Punch / Matrix Revolution approach.

The Mass Effect trilogy deserves a better ending! Not more of the same crap, because as someone said earlier: extended crap is still crap!

Modifié par Grey21, 06 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[Super.Sid]

ok now that the dlc pack is out, compare and see

[Wynteryth]

slyguy200 wrote...

Repliku wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Here comes the whining when people still don't get their happy ending where Shepard lives happily ever after.

We don't want a happy ending, we just don't want

We do not all want a happy ending, i for one want more choices and the ending to make sense and fit with the rest of the trilogy.
 < serious alien is serious

+100000000000  

Slyguy is dead on.. I don't NEED a happy ending either.. I want the choices to make sense.  I want the endings to make sense and not conflict totally with everything we've learned about the ME universe to this point. 

[Wynteryth]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

So don't download it, go away and play another game.  They aren't going to rewrite the whole of ME3 for you, and you won't settle for less so just trade in the game for something you enjoy and move on with your life.  That goes for all of the retake haters.

Yes, yes, we get it. You're satisfied by mediocrity and hate it when others aren't.

Νο there is a difference. Criticism is nice, its the reason why we are getting this and why ME3 just maybe gets a more concrete and clarifying end.

What I and a lot of others hate is people that are presenting this "clarification" as pointless, that there is no way imaginable that the ending might become much better than it was, in sort we hate people who speak before they actually SEE what Bioware has in mind for this ending.

Thats the folks I hate. How about these people take a chill pill, see the ending that Bioware has in store and then start going bananas. I will join them myself if the ending and clarification is not satisfying. But until I see it, I will not condemn it as if I have some magic ball showing the future.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Valkyre - You do realize that the endings are going to be exactly the same and there really is no clarification that can be done to explain how everyone in the universe isn't dead from the exploding ME Relays, yes? And there is no real way to explain the whole Normandy escaping without them looking like complete cowards, yes? 

Well, on second thought, maybe you don't realize it.. 

[Tankred]

Fine with me if they fix the plot holes at the end. And it´s for free, aka a patch , not a dlc.
Besides, the end was not that bad( albeit blatantly copied from Deus Ex tzzz), it was just incomplete, missing epilogue, and broken story links( i.e. the Normandy Escape and squad teleport magic), so if they fix it, i´m content.
Admit it folks, most people here are just pissed because they aren´t getting their "living happily ever after conclusion"thing.

[Grey21]

Wynteryth wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Repliku wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Here comes the whining when people still don't get their happy ending where Shepard lives happily ever after.

We don't want a happy ending, we just don't want

We do not all want a happy ending, i for one want more choices and the ending to make sense and fit with the rest of the trilogy.
 < serious alien is serious

+100000000000  

Slyguy is dead on.. I don't NEED a happy ending either.. I want the choices to make sense.  I want the endings to make sense and not conflict totally with everything we've learned about the ME universe to this point. 

Agreed, if my choice to let the Rachni Queen go free ends up killing me, than that is fine.

But don't have some god-punk-creature I've never seen before appear to me in thr last 10 minutes and say I have to kill myself as well as everyone else, but that I get to pick the collor in which we'll all go up in flames.

At the very least let me say ''NO, FU I'd rather do nothing if those are my choices'' but even that is impossible.

Bioware should talk to CD Projekt RED about the definition of consequences. We want an ending that is a consequence of our choices. It doesn't need to be happy, it just needs to be different.

[tonnactus]

Allright, "clarification". Should put my game on amazon marketplace now.

[Reva-C]

Wynteryth wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Repliku wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Here comes the whining when people still don't get their happy ending where Shepard lives happily ever after.

We don't want a happy ending, we just don't want

We do not all want a happy ending, i for one want more choices and the ending to make sense and fit with the rest of the trilogy.
 < serious alien is serious

+100000000000  

Slyguy is dead on.. I don't NEED a happy ending either.. I want the choices to make sense.  I want the endings to make sense and not conflict totally with everything we've learned about the ME universe to this point. 

I'm afraid I think what I suspected a while ago is the truth:

The fan base has been far more capable and creative in finding alternative endings and theories that fit the game up to the ending part far better than bioware can.

Sad, but true it seems.

(And no, I'm not just talking about the indoctrination theory, I've also read other theories and explanations of the ending written by fans that have also been great.....and no, I don't include the intoxication theory in that  LOL)

I find that quite sad actually....that we've all come up with a miriad of better ideas that make far more sense with the rest of the game and trilogy....and they're not capable of doing the same.

I held out some hope with the hints around a free DLC to complete the game...and the excitement some of their staff on twitter had about it, about how exciting what was coming (suggesting there was more to the story) but nope, the fact it's just a vid that supports the ending people already hate proves they don't have the creative capacity that their own fans have.......and they don't have the balls to recognise that and think 'what the hell, we've obviously got it wrong, let's have a look at some of their ideas because it's more than we have on the table'.

It's actually genuinely sad from the company that started this amazing storyline up until this point....and dragon age.

[Grey21]

Tankred wrote...

Fine with me if they fix the plot holes at the end. And it´s for free, aka a patch , not a dlc.
Besides, the end was not that bad( albeit blatantly copied from Deus Ex tzzz), it was just incomplete, missing epilogue, and broken story links( i.e. the Normandy Escape and squad teleport magic), so if they fix it, i´m content.
Admit it folks, most people here are just pissed because they aren´t getting their "living happily ever after conclusion"thing.

No, I think most people are unhappy because they didn't get any choice in the matter.

People have been going out of their way so they can experience every part of this franchise and make every choice since 2007. They did this because they believed it would effect the ending.

It was already cheesy that all choices were put into one big pile called 'Military strength' but atleast you'd expect that score to alter the ending dramatically. Unfortunatly it doesn't , whether you had 2.000 or 10.000, the game basically ends the same.

The consequences of choice we've made were weak or simply not there. The ending isn't a consequence of our choices, that is the biggest problem. This can't be fixed with additional cutscenes. It would have been fine if Bioware used the indoctrination theory as a means to get past the current ending and than have my character be killed by the Rachni Queen because he let her live. As long as another character of mine isn't killed by her, as in his universe she is dead.

[Tankred]

"Bioware should talk to CD Projekt RED about the definition of consequences. We want an ending that is a consequence of our choices. It doesn't need to be happy, it just needs to be different."

Now that you mention it, there isn´t much difference in what you do at the end of Witcher 1 with relevance for Witcher 2. You always end up killing your own boy Alvin( that is actually open for debate, since they left it deliberately open if Alvin really is the Grandmaster of the Order. So much for definite conclusions and plotholes hehe) . And no matter what side you chose in the civil war, the King always dies at the start of the next game, just are few Npcs change. And in Witcher 3 , you will have a big war on your conscience , no matter what you did at the end of game 2. Just some Npcs will change..
So be careful what you wish for:)

[Wynteryth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Choice is the heart of this game.

They didn't give me the choice when they retconned my character out of existence, they didn't give me a choice when they butchered everything I've done previously, they didn't give a choice to Thane or Jacob romancers when they threw them out as irrelevent, they didn't give a choice to Cerberus supporters, they didn't give a choice to a lot of people.

The ending is the only one which inconveniences you, thus it bothers you and you stomp your feet on the ground and cry out, demanding satisfaction. They're offering closure, something which many people clamoured for, though you'll keep stomping your feet because you don't get a happily ever after.

I'm sorry if I find that outrageous.

They didn't throw Thane and Jacob out as irrelevant. They had Jacob find a different romance while you were indisposed.. That happens in real life.. 

They gave a lot more choices to people than you are claiming.  The fact is that they gave you ONE choice for an ending.  Suicide.  Period.  No Paragon check. No Renegade Check.  No matter what you chose, you're dead.  Yeah.. great choice.  OH, and it basically made all the other choices irrelevant.  More so than anything else in the series.  

[Grey21]

Reva-C wrote...

It's actually genuinely sad from the company that started this amazing storyline up until this point....and dragon age.

Don't forget that the original lead writter wasn't involved with ME3 (his role was already diminished in ME2). His dark energy ending was much better and reflected his books as well.

Unfortunatly the current lead writter doesn't care much for this, he is all about quick thrills (as seen in his ME comic books). I think that Bioware just isn't the company it used to be, it is now filled with different people with different ideas.

Same for Dragon Age. The project director of DA2 admits that he didn't care much for DA:O, or RPG in general. He would have done DA:O more like DA2 if he had come aboard early on that project as well. The way he defended DA2 shows that there is no hope for DA3 at all.

[Tankred]

"It was already cheesy that all choices were put into one big pile called 'Military strength' but atleast you'd expect that score to alter the ending dramatically. Unfortunatly it doesn't , whether you had 2.000 or 10.000, the game basically ends the same."
To Grey21, EMS actually does dramatically alter the end. With low EMS you can just hit the red button, and kiss good ol earth good bye. The higher your EMS gets, the "better" the ending. And it does make a difference in my humble opinion if you can choose between killing all reapers and therefore every ancient civilisation from the Protheans upwards, or rather control them.
Just accept the fact that the Developers WANT a dark age with out mass relays and fast space travel in the galaxy, just like Warhammer 40k "Old Night"

[diggisaur]

Justin2k wrote...

Getorex wrote...

This isn't a fix. They are simply trying to slap paint on the rusted out hulk of a game they wrecked. The ending CANNOT be fixed by expanding on it! It CANNOT. No matter what makeup you plaster on that f*cker you cannot make the illogical become logical, the irrational become rational, the retarded become not retarded. Only with religion can more handwaving over gaping ridiculous HOLES in the plot of the belief system in any way be called a "fix" or "improvement".

1+1 = 2 no matter how badly you want it to equal 3. It doesn't.

So don't download it, go away and play another game.  They aren't going to rewrite the whole of ME3 for you, and you won't settle for less so just trade in the game for something you enjoy and move on with your life.  That goes for all of the retake haters.

Maybe we shouldn't pass judgement until we see it. If the DLC explains a lot of the plot holes then I think it will be fine.

Maybe while they are at it, they could change the stock photo of Tali. Just digitize Ash Sroka maybe??

digg

[Reva-C]

Wynteryth wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Choice is the heart of this game.

They didn't give me the choice when they retconned my character out of existence, they didn't give me a choice when they butchered everything I've done previously, they didn't give a choice to Thane or Jacob romancers when they threw them out as irrelevent, they didn't give a choice to Cerberus supporters, they didn't give a choice to a lot of people.

The ending is the only one which inconveniences you, thus it bothers you and you stomp your feet on the ground and cry out, demanding satisfaction. They're offering closure, something which many people clamoured for, though you'll keep stomping your feet because you don't get a happily ever after.

I'm sorry if I find that outrageous.

They didn't throw Thane and Jacob out as irrelevant. They had Jacob find a different romance while you were indisposed.. That happens in real life.. 

They gave a lot more choices to people than you are claiming.  The fact is that they gave you ONE choice for an ending.  Suicide.  Period.  No Paragon check. No Renegade Check.  No matter what you chose, you're dead.  Yeah.. great choice.  OH, and it basically made all the other choices irrelevant.  More so than anything else in the series.  

Well put....I agree with that. I loved the game up until then. Okay, there were a few bits that were off and I wasn't sure about, but hey isn't that so with every game, book, film, show? But they didn't ruin the game...I just shrugged and moved on to the next awesome part of it. It's just that final ending and the non choice offered in the bland last ten minutes.

If I've spent 40 hours gathering every last war asset I can find....I expect that to have some impact on the ending, like it did in ME2, to scrape through it barely in one piece and find a HUMAN way to kick the reapers into touch .......if I've only spent 10 hours on the game and not bothered collecting them, I equally expect to be cremated and buried as a failure that let Earth down and for Anderson to get all the praise LOL