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[Dianjabla]

Wow. Ok. I didn't like the ending either, and no, I can't see what they've proposed fixing that. I'll still download it and see - curiosity killed the cat and all - and I might even be pleasantly surprised. After all, besides the last 10 mins, the rest of the game rocked.

So here's my proposal - instead of pouring such misery and hate onto the forums, give this a try: Ignore what they've done with the last 10 mins if it displeases you and make your own ending up in your head. You can't fail to be pleased with the results. It's the wonderful thing about fiction, you can make it up too and you don't need to wait for bioware to release it. Bam. Angst averted. It's just a game.

So here comes the flame I guess. Not really interested to be honest. Would I have liked a happy/non-baffling ending to the story? Hell yes. Do I think they could have done better? Absolutely. Would I pay for DLC that changed the ending to a happy one and something that made more sense? Grudingly, but quite probably. Will I preorder DA3? Well... no.

Bioware have got the point that their fans aren't happy. They're not going to change the ending and I can kinda see why - you'll never please all the people all the time, so do what makes you happy with it. Democracy trends to mediocrity. This is what they've come up with to address the complaints. We shall see what we shall see.

PS Bioware. If you're making DLC can you make something that ties up the whole dark energy plot lines from ME2 that were missed? Or did I just miss that?

[Revid Emit]

Uh huh. So that kid still stays and the ending is pretty much intact... Yeah. No. I'm done with the series and the company in general. I really had high hopes for Bioware after playing ME2, and seeing how much it improved on the first. What's the point of playing this game when you'll know that your choices won't matter in the end, even with the "clarification" DLC.

[Cloudwulf]

Read this: An really opener to me. All this what we are going thru at the moment is nothing but mere PR-BlaBla from BW.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

[chevyguy87]

I for one will not be letting 10 minutes ruin well over 350 hours of pure gold so I will be looking forward to this and if people don't well it's FREE so if you don't like it it's not like you paid for it.

[Faridle]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 

"sigh" 

Modifié par Faridle, 08 avril 2012 - 01:52 .

[hwf]

What Sareth Cousland said.

I get the impression from official Bioware communications that the Extended Cut will essentially be a polished turd.
Don't do this to Mass Effect. Go Indoctrination Theory.

[CARL_DF90]

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Interesting read. Glad I found it. Hopefully, Bioware is not so out of touch as to not read and mull over it a little.

[Emzamination]

chevyguy87 wrote...

I for one will not be letting 10 minutes ruin well over 350 hours of pure gold so I will be looking forward to this and if people don't well it's FREE so if you don't like it it's not like you paid for it.

This

I just hope these complainers stop raving long enough for me to get my extra cinematics and epilogues, curious about what became of my crew.

[vivanto]

I don't normally post or even read the story-related forums exactly for the ending-rage, but I'll just say this:

More of the bad is still just bad.

[The Milky Waver]

H4nniba11 wrote...

BlueDemonX wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

vania z wrote...

Guys, I might have some good news.
There
is post in some russian forum dated back march 25th with inside info,
since some parts turned out to be true, it might be that all this info
is more or less accurate, here is the translation:
There is fighting
between Bioware and EA management. EA is more than unhappy with death of
series and the fact, that fans are blaming it on them(bioware was given
all the freedom and EA was not checking on them, they trusted BW's
reputation). BW have overestimated their own strength and were not able
to create the game properly. [not relevant part].
EA wanted to take senior writer out, but Dr. Muzyka defended him personally, since they were old friends.
BW
was working on small free patch to explain the ending and were planning
to release it before april 10, but EA forced them to make complete
rewrite of the ending. They started to work on it on march 20 and it
will be ready by ~july. Will be two main endings - everything is ending
great or everything is ending badly.
Epilogue depends on your
actions, and here it is the same - either they lived happyly ever after,
became rich and so on or.. Without middle tones.

This sounds too good to be true, but god do I hope it is!

That´s not much better if you have the choices in mind...no middle tones? What?
You guys like it just because there´s an epilogue that´s influences by your actions [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Well it's more than I expected

Those EA bastards....<_<

[chevyguy87]

Emzamination wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

I for one will not be letting 10 minutes ruin well over 350 hours of pure gold so I will be looking forward to this and if people don't well it's FREE so if you don't like it it's not like you paid for it.

This

I just hope these complainers stop raving long enough for me to get my extra cinematics and epilogues, curious about what became of my crew.

It's getting rather tiresome of seeing the same goddamn arguments over and over and OVER again. Some people need to just put the game down and step outside.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Geeez. I didn't like the endings either but at some point the constant complaining gets annoying and completely unreasonalbe.

They've said what they're doing, it'll be a painfully long wait, but why not see what it is before passing judgement.

Every page is: "Remove Starchild, I don't know what it is but it's not good enough, yay an epilogue, more crap still is crap, it's a polished turd, this was planned all along, EA = evil, not going to buy Bioware games, remove Starchild...x infinite"

I call for a lock:

[Rotkaepchen]

Ppl, get used to it, €A/BW cares sh*t about what you want, the only thing they care about is money. So act, don't buy any DLCs or any other €A games until the many problems with the ending(s) are solved.

[chevyguy87]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

Geeez. I didn't like the endings either but at some point the constant complaining gets annoying and completely unreasonalbe.

They've said what they're doing, it'll be a painfully long wait, but why not see what it is before passing judgement.

Every page is: "Remove Starchild, I don't know what it is but it's not good enough, yay an epilogue, more crap still is crap, it's a polished turd, this was planned all along, EA = evil, not going to buy Bioware games, remove Starchild...x infinite"

I call for a lock:

Thank you for seeing it that way the constant pissing and moaning is exactly why Forbes and other sources are calling fans whiny and in all honesty they deserve to be called such.

[Rotkaepchen]

chevyguy87 wrote...

Thank you for seeing it that way the constant pissing and moaning is exactly why Forbes and other sources are calling fans whiny and in all honesty they deserve to be called such.

As far as I've read it, no single article at forbes calls the fans "whiners". Quite the opposite, they take sides with the retakers.

[GuyIncognito]

Emzamination wrote...
Thats wrong, spirits can't be slain even when their mortal host dies.

In regards to the anderson/udina thing, it is completely logical and natural that the second in command would take control once the presiding member steped down.The vs would most likely take control of the normandy should something happen to shepard seeing as they are the "xo".

As for your position on the narrative, it is never going to be your story no matter what game you play.We can make decisions in WoW/FF and ToR but it is blizzard,square and bioware who created those universes and everything in it.They write every line of dialogue and every decision you make.You can't just step into somebody elses realm and proclaim yourself god.If you want that much freedom then create your own universe and games.

As for a story point, we didn't find that out about Justice/Vengeance until after DA:A. It was left completely ambiguous, but It was up to the player to accomplish tasks which would effect the outcome they wanted. But the player could affect this more or less.

I think you're interpreting my position a bit too extreme. I'm not ranting here and I'm not arguing for complete control over the story (If I wanted that I'd just take up Dungeon Master duties again and write up a D&D campaign and have my players interact in that world for that).

What I'm trying to infer are that there are implications of the Post Credit Sequence, how this is similar to DA2's narrative execution, and subsequently why both of those things caused pissed off players:
- Players in Fallout 1 played it through to resolution and a feeling of uniqueness of His / Her Wanderer. You made those choices which resulted in the ending slides.
- Players in Fallout 2 played it through to resolution and a feeling of uniqueness of His / Her Chosen One. You made those choices which resulted in the ending slides.
- Players in Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magicka Obscura played it through to resolution and a feeling of uniqueness for their Hero. You made those choices which resulted in the ending slides.
- Players in ME1 played it through to resolution and had a feeling of uniqueness of His / Her Shepard. You made those choices which resulted in the ending sequence.
- Players in ME2 played it through to resolution and had a feeling of uniqueness of His / Her Shepard. You made those choices which resulted in the ending sequence.
- Players of DA:O/DA:A played it through to resolution and had a feeling of uniqueness of His / Her Warden. You made those choices which resulted in the ending sequence and shaped the world for DA2.
- Players of DA2 played it through to resolution but the ending was already known, a Mage / Templar War. You make choices and are never given the choice to stop Anders from blowing up The Chantry (essentially this would have been the same as a Full Paragon Ending in ME terms) because this was already an established story which ties in to the launch point of DA3. If they had left the option open for something like that, BW couldn't start DA3 from the point where they wanted to start at.

= The post credit sequence of ME3 implies that you aren't controlling Shepard throughout the whole trilogy. This form of narrative which implies that the whole trilogy was just an extended conversation between the Stargazer and kid 10,000 years in the distant future has ticked folks off. Players are in the same situation as DA2, except in this case the player only knows vague aspects of the ending... Shepard somehow resolved the Reaper problem, but there is no protagonist resolution.

Modifié par GuyIncognito, 09 avril 2012 - 12:02 .

[Adanu]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Bioware, save your money regarding the extended cut. According to a recent poll, 82% of your fans are NOT happy with any ending in which starchild remains and is to be taken at face value. The extended cut is a waste of time and money. You will see through upcoming DLC sales very quickly that customers are not happy with the product. Learn from the DA2 debacle.

Fix ME3 quickly before your consumers lose interest. Fix it before they stop everyone they know from picking up a copy. Your fanbase and your financial interests are more important than one man's pride. Show that you care about your consumers and about the dev team that worked so passionately on hundreds of hours of Mass Effect.

Fix ME3. The ending is objectively broken.

And this is a perfect example of the self entitled brats now trolling this forum.

The ending is not broken. You just don't like it. YOu do not represent the entire fanbase. Get the **** over yourself, ******.

[Rotkaepchen]

And this is a perfect example of the self entitled brats now trolling this forum.

The ending is not broken. You just don't like it. YOu do not represent the entire fanbase. Get the **** over yourself, ******.

See ppl, that's why the retakers allways say - keep it civil. We don't want to end up like him, do we ?

He shows so much tolerance, unbelievable.

[CaptainMonday]

The Milky Waver wrote...

H4nniba11 wrote...

BlueDemonX wrote...

Legion_IV wrote...

vania z wrote...

Guys, I might have some good news.
There
is post in some russian forum dated back march 25th with inside info,
since some parts turned out to be true, it might be that all this info
is more or less accurate, here is the translation:
There is fighting
between Bioware and EA management. EA is more than unhappy with death of
series and the fact, that fans are blaming it on them(bioware was given
all the freedom and EA was not checking on them, they trusted BW's
reputation). BW have overestimated their own strength and were not able
to create the game properly. [not relevant part].
EA wanted to take senior writer out, but Dr. Muzyka defended him personally, since they were old friends.
BW
was working on small free patch to explain the ending and were planning
to release it before april 10, but EA forced them to make complete
rewrite of the ending. They started to work on it on march 20 and it
will be ready by ~july. Will be two main endings - everything is ending
great or everything is ending badly.
Epilogue depends on your
actions, and here it is the same - either they lived happyly ever after,
became rich and so on or.. Without middle tones.

This sounds too good to be true, but god do I hope it is!

That´s not much better if you have the choices in mind...no middle tones? What?
You guys like it just because there´s an epilogue that´s influences by your actions [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Well it's more than I expected

Those EA bastards....<_<

Here's the thing: if this is true, then EA would be the ones who would be responsible for a new, propper ending. And to be honest I refuse to see EA as the saviours of a beloved franchise. It would suggest that rich studio executives know more about making art then the artists. 

God damn it BioWare! How could you have ****ed this up so badly! >.<

[Dakota Strider]

Emzamination wrote...

I just hope these complainers stop raving long enough for me to get my extra cinematics and epilogues, curious about what became of my crew.

And you would not be getting that scrap from the Bioware/EA table, if not for the "complainers" you so casually disparage.   

Your gratitude towards Bioware/EA is misplaced.  You should be thanking us "complainers", for anything extra that Bioware/EA is handing out, in an effort to recover from the giant FUBAR they created.

[D24O]

I hope the entire writing team is involved instead of just Mac Walters and Casey Hudson. In fact, I'd rather those two stay out, they already mucked it up the first time they tried.

[Trikun]

Fact of the matter is that ME3, as it stands today, has no true ending. The game just stops.

Nothing really 'ends' story-wise. You don't know whether Shepard lives, you don't know what happenes to your squadmates, if everything that's happening is just in your mind, or reality.. you simply do not get any resolution whatsoever. All you know is that the reapers were defeated. You might as well have put 'game over' on screen the moment the final mission starts, because everything from that point on, is totally useless to you as a gamer. They need to finish up the story-arc and complete the game. This is what needs to be fixed in an ending DLC. Don't waste time 'explaining', but add content to properly finish the story. That's my 2 cents, at least.

Modifié par Trikun, 08 avril 2012 - 11:45 .

[Dakota Strider]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

Geeez. I didn't like the endings either but at some point the constant complaining gets annoying and completely unreasonalbe.

They've said what they're doing, it'll be a painfully long wait, but why not see what it is before passing judgement.

Every page is: "Remove Starchild, I don't know what it is but it's not good enough, yay an epilogue, more crap still is crap, it's a polished turd, this was planned all along, EA = evil, not going to buy Bioware games, remove Starchild...x infinite"

I call for a lock:

Nobody is making you open these threads and read them.  If you have nothing constructive to add, besides call names, and complain about those that are trying to use free speech to enact a change, then I can see no reason why you hang around these particular forum threads, except to try to hurt the efforts of those that do not want to accept the final product that Bioware/EA has tried to stuff down our throats, after promising just the opposite. 

One has to wonder what the motives are, for posters such as yourselves.  Already, those you complain about, have gained you free extra footage, that supports the ending you supposedly are happy about.  That would not have been accomplished, if everyone had sat on their hands, like you seem to want to encourage.