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[Lion Martinez]

Ingulfthemad wrote...

No problem Lion, nice to see someone from Bioware reading the forums.. guess lately not very good place to read. I am not angry, just disappointed -

My pleasure! If I would only read positive posts, my job would have no purpose.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Thanks for responding! Now is this the part we start asking for the inside scoop, Lion?

I've stated I'll wait for the DLC before passing judgement, but I hope whatever this epilogue/extention adds, it'll be extensive.

The thing that hit me the hardest with ME3's ending, was just that, it ended abruptly, I was left wondering what happened to everyone...then, what about my choices, did they matter? Then after the credits we had the granpa and kid and talking and then the infamous text block and I actually felt insulted somehow by it.

Sure I'd like multiple endings where Reapers can win or you and Harbinger fly off into the sunset together, but mostly I was wanting that little DAO style ending that step-by-step tells you how your choices changed the "future", either for worse or better -what each war assets changed, or made better, or made worse, did Citadel Defence save lives? 3 Games waiting for the Rachni return, turned into 100 points...I was completely dumbfounded for 5 minutes.

Good thing about the "ending" is how it got me on the forums here. Talking and discussing about a game's ending is something I have never done. But seeing as I just bought Dragon Age 2, the comments about that games ending are making me afraid to play it. :S

Modifié par Sir Fluffykins, 10 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[dfstone]

This is exactly what I hope they were going to do. Explain some of the things that were like 'huh?" in the ending. Like what happened to earth and your crew, how did the normandy wind up on that planet stuff like that. If they just answer those questions then I'll be satisfied.

I really wouldn't have had a problem with the endings as they are if there was going to be a Mass Effect 4 to fill in the gaps. But they've said this is the end of Shepard's story so that would leave all this stuff unanswered.

[Getorex]

Who cares? The "end of Shepard's story" (ie, the way Bioware ended it) killed ME en toto. So who gives a crap what "explanation" they offer? Who gives a crap what extra exposition they offer? It's over and done. It (the ME series) came in like a lion and has gone out like...a turd coming out the back end of that lion.

Honestly, they killed the game/story so who cares?

[steamcamel]

This 'extended cut dlc' only confirms that you don't have a clue why so many people dislike the ending.

As a wise man put it: Instead of giving us something that isn't a smelly poo, you instead choose to explain to us why the poo smells so bad.  You're truly setting new standards in showing contempt for your audience. From now on, I will refer to your company as Buyer-beware.

Modifié par steamcamel, 10 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[Getorex]

The simplest way to respond (or think) about this is:

If you have to explain your punchline, the joke has FAILED. You cannot recover a joke that requires the punchline to be explained. Either learn to TELL IT DIFFERENTLY (change it) OR drop it and let it lie like a corpse (appropriate in this context...ME is a corpse now).

[Vilegrim]

Lion Martinez wrote...

Hi all, thank you for your great feedback. ALL feedback, negative or positive is important as long as it's civil and constructive.

It's not expected of you to hold your breath until the Extended Cut DLC is fully deployed but I do hope that you base your final judgement on the actual release as you will have experienced it first hand, should you choose to play it. And I truly hope you do play it.

Thank you!

please, please let us defy geoncide kiddy, it is really that simple for me, if he has to remain in, at least let us tell him to go shove the citadel up his induction port.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 10 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[Underlaw]

Yea as i already say, now the magic space collor will have an explanation, and ilusiv man, will not pop up from now where, he will come walking. Nice explanation.... And LOOK Joker need to go bathroom, this is why he is runing like hell, to home ofc he have a shy bowel, only poop in your home.

[mallemor]

I'am not good with words, and my spelling don't make it better. What i can say is: I am disapointed.
I am disapointed in BioWare for the mess they made with the ME3 ending's. I am disapointed in BioWare for trying to explane the ending's instead of fixing them.
In my head u can't fix something broken, by explaining it. You actualy have to fix it for it to work again. The endings in ME3 are broken. None of them make any sense whatsoever.
When i play a game, I play it so I can se how the ending reflects the choices i take through the game. The ending's in ME3 don't reflect any of my choices through 3 games. Why then should i bother to play it to the end?

I must admit i havent even finished the game yet, and I'm not going to. I did se the ending's though, and then I could not se any reason for me to to finish the game.

Games I like, I play again and again, and I never tire of them. ME3 is not in that category.
ME2 on the other hand, I been playing so many times I lost count.

So yea, I already uninstalled Origins, and ME3 is next. I don't se myself installing either of them again in the nearest future. Thats to bad realy, beacause ME3 was an amazing game up to the end.....

[Getorex]

I am currently playing Alex Wake. Good game, though not an RPG. If there was a patch for THAT game out there then I would download it because...I'm PLAYING that game. No need to download any ME3 patches or addons for the opposite reason.

I am concurrently also replaying Deus Ex: Human Revolution (great game, excellent atmosphere, GREAT music, much more RPG than ME 3 is)...now some people denegrate the ME3 ending as being just like the ending to DE:HR but they are wrong to do so. See, DE:HR is a PREQUAL to the original Deus Ex. THAT game set out the history of what came before the events in Deus Ex 1. DE:HR, being a prequal, was required to end such that WHATEVER option you go with (A, B, C, or D), it wouldn't produce consequences that varied with the previously set-down-in-stone events outlined in DE 1. See how that works? The endings of DE:HR fit perfectly with the entire game series and it HAD TO. ME3, on the other hand, did NOT have any hardwired requirements on the ending. They did not need to A, B, or C, primarily differing in primary color associated. They did not have a history to fit within as they were setting up the open future. They could EASILY have had a bad ending (like the bad ME2 ending) where it all goes wrong. A mixed ending where some or a lot can go wrong but ultimately Shepard and/or a few friends make it out alive or an ending, earned by diligence and good choices, that actually turns out OK for almost everyone involved, including Shepard. In any of these events, you can cleanly claim that "the Shepard story is over".

With a good-ish ending with a living Shepard, however, you leave the OPTION to do more with him (or her) at some future date. Not required by any means, but you have the OPTION. Options are GOOD THINGS ™.

Of the 4 endings on offer in DE:HR...only ONE left your dude dead. One. Not all of them. ONE of them. Now with this, EIDOS COULD come back with another game using the Adam Jenson character from DE:HR IF THEY DESIRE TO but they are not required to. Options, baby. Options. Bioware can learn a lot from EIDOS. A lot.

[Getorex]

Vilegrim wrote...

Lion Martinez wrote...

Hi all, thank you for your great feedback. ALL feedback, negative or positive is important as long as it's civil and constructive.

It's not expected of you to hold your breath until the Extended Cut DLC is fully deployed but I do hope that you base your final judgement on the actual release as you will have experienced it first hand, should you choose to play it. And I truly hope you do play it.

Thank you!

please, please let us defy geoncide kiddy, it is really that simple for me, if he has to remain in, at least let us tell him to go shove the citadel up his induction port.

Nah.  I wouldn't be so "polite".  I'd just shove the Citadel (along with my Shepard's boot) up his nasty, retarded @ss.  Shepard's foot would be so far up that little ****'s ass that the kid would be able to nibble on Shepard's toes.

[DeinonSlayer]

If the ending options won't be changed, I'm hoping at least for Shepard to reunite with his crew/LI in the outcome where he lives. That's the closest you get to a happy ending in war: you live, and you go home. Implementing that would go a long way towards restoring replay value in my opinion. I never viewed the Mass Effect series as a 200-hour lesson in futility.

I'll never choose the Synthesis ending for the same reason I'll never do a playthrough where I destroy the Quarian flotilla, or casually screw Jack in ME2. I find it morally abhorrent. That's the beauty of a game where you make your own decisions, but those decisions need to pay off.

[jojon2se]

You know... It could be kind of fun with Shepard's fate being uncertain, if post-trilogy spinoffs have you overhear rumors of Shepard sightings. :9

[Fiery Phoenix]

If the Cut has this, consider me the happiest panda alive. (Just dreaming is all.)

[DontReallyKnow]

I am about half way through ME3, think i might stop where i am and put it on the back burner until this is released.

I could have a run through of KoTOR while i wait for the release in summer.

[Getorex]

DontReallyKnow wrote...

I am about half way through ME3, think i might stop where i am and put it on the back burner until this is released.

I could have a run through of KoTOR while i wait for the release in summer.

You can continue further.  It isn't irretrievable until you complete the ground fight on earth.  You could simply make it to the point where you get to meet up with and talk to everyone who is still alive.  THAT is a pretty excellent vignette.  After that...

[jojon2se]

Well, I know that I, for one, just ordered a copy of ME3 yesterday and I am seriously considering holding off even beginning to play, because I am the lazy sort, who does not want to have to replay the whole thing later, if there comes DLC that takes place before the ending...
I am assuming that even the "extended cut" could very well, in addition to adding epilogue spots after the end, replace scenes that come rather early in the game, with more info-dumpy edits, or append to them... and that DLC really sounds like it's not going to appear for quite some (unspecified) time...

[kbct]

The DLC will not change the ending. It will add additional cinematic scenes and epilogue scenes.

You guys might want want to return the game, wait for the fan reviews of the DLC, and purchase the game at a discount if it's good.

If you're here, you have a 1 in 50 chance of liking the ending as-is. You have a 1 in 10 chance of thinking the DLC will address your concerns.

Personally, I didn't think the ending could be so bad. But it was.

[jojon2se]

Oh, I already did get the game "at a discount", or rather at the current point of its decaying price.
I was disgusted enough with "From Ashes" and other market- and marketing matters and saw the writing on the wall, that I decided, back then, to "vote with my wallet" -- at least to a degree; I now bought it at £17 and figure that sufficiently evens out the DLC issue - I will not know until we have the full picture.

Those "additional cinematic sequences" will need to be inserted somewhere and some of that may well be in places throughout the game (hopefully flowing seamlessly into the whole) rather than just tacked onto the end.
Having characters drone on for a few minutes longer (using existing recordings, discarded for the original release edit), just to add exposition/heart-tugs, or showing what Joker is up to during Shepard's wild trip, would also not constitute a "change", as long as their monologues amount to the same in the end, even if one file replaces another.

...and it's not only about the ending; What other DLC may be on the horizon and at what time along the storyline will they play out?

Modifié par jojon2se, 10 avril 2012 - 09:40 .

[Emzamination]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I just hope these complainers stop raving long enough for me to get my extra cinematics and epilogues, curious about what became of my crew.

And you would not be getting that scrap from the Bioware/EA table, if not for the "complainers" you so casually disparage.   

Your gratitude towards Bioware/EA is misplaced.  You should be thanking us "complainers", for anything extra that Bioware/EA is handing out, in an effort to recover from the giant FUBAR they created.

Don't  get me wrong, I'm very grateful to everyone who fought, all I'm saying is maybe you guys could ease up on the assault till we see what this extended cut actually delivers.It makes absoloutely no sense to call for a boycott of something that hasn't even manifested itself.This civil war seems to be turning into a witch hunt on bioware.

[Kanner]

Emzamination wrote...

Don't  get me wrong, I'm very grateful to everyone who fought, all I'm saying is maybe you guys could ease up on the assault till we see what this extended cut actually delivers.It makes absoloutely no sense to call for a boycott of something that hasn't even manifested itself.This civil war seems to be turning into a witch hunt on bioware.

They have been *very* firm and insistant in their declarations about the ending.

It is 'art' and for their own integrity they can't be bullied into changing it.




Even if it's particularly terrible art that ruins the ME franchise. =/

[Emzamination]

Kanner wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Don't  get me wrong, I'm very grateful to everyone who fought, all I'm saying is maybe you guys could ease up on the assault till we see what this extended cut actually delivers.It makes absoloutely no sense to call for a boycott of something that hasn't even manifested itself.This civil war seems to be turning into a witch hunt on bioware.

They have been *very* firm and insistant in their declarations about the ending.

It is 'art' and for their own integrity they can't be bullied into changing it.




Even if it's particularly terrible art that ruins the ME franchise. =/

Bioware has no choice but to work the middle ground with this compromise.You give in to the angry mob and your controlled by the angry mob.

[Dakota Strider]

Emzamination wrote...

Kanner wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Don't  get me wrong, I'm very grateful to everyone who fought, all I'm saying is maybe you guys could ease up on the assault till we see what this extended cut actually delivers.It makes absoloutely no sense to call for a boycott of something that hasn't even manifested itself.This civil war seems to be turning into a witch hunt on bioware.

They have been *very* firm and insistant in their declarations about the ending.

It is 'art' and for their own integrity they can't be bullied into changing it.




Even if it's particularly terrible art that ruins the ME franchise. =/

Bioware has no choice but to work the middle ground with this compromise.You give in to the angry mob and your controlled by the angry mob.

I really hope that the way you just referenced the customers of Bioware, is not the way that we are being considered at Bioware HQ.  I know you are just making an analogy, but if this is how we are referred to here (by people that say they have sympathies for those of us that feel we did not get what we paid for),  I am afraid it is probably also the attitude of those that are trying to handle PR and decide what next to do with this franchise at Bioware/EA.

What ever happened to the code of "The customer is always right"?  This is still a business isn't it?  I am sorry, but I just cannot buy this "artistic integrity" argument, that suddenly has become prevalent, when a company decides that they do not want to spend any more money to polish off a product to make it meet its very own claims.  I have played computer games for well over 30 years, and other rpg's before that.  I have never heard them referred to as "art" before.  I have never heard those that created them, call themselves "artists" before.  They called themselves game devs, programmers, or gamers....and proudly.   If this suddenly has become art, and not games, then it may become time for myself, and many others to find new places to spend our entertainment dollars.  Because while "art" may be interesting to look at, I do not wish to spend my time or money on a bunch of paint that was thrown at a canvas, and then called art.

It may be too late for them to fix ME3 in any meaningful way.  I am not unrealistic in that regard.  However, the reason I believe in continuing this discussion, in a passionate manner, is that I really feel that Bioware needs to acknowledge that what they did was wrong (for whatever reason, rushed, budget, voice actors all got strep throat), and that they will redouble their efforts to return to the type of rpg's that built their franchise.  As long as Bioware keeps holding their line, that this was the artistic vision of ME3 all along (despite a trail of interviews prior to the release to the contrary), then I believe we cannot go silent.  Our silence is what they want, that is why they announced we would get some free DLC, even though in the same announcement they told us, it would not change anything, just clarify what was already clearly wrong to begin with.

My fix:  Not Indoctrination....War Injury.  Shepard takes a blow to the head, after landing on Earth.  (I would prefer before they linked up with Anderson, and the rest of the Normandy squad, but flexible on that).  He is an coma for a short period, but during that time, he dreams the sequence we all thought was the ending.  Since he has had previous dreams/nightmares, where the kid appeared, this links together nicely with what has happened before.  Shepard wakes up in a cold sweat, and realizes he has just had the worst nightmare of his life, and that the battle to retake earth is just beginning.   If Bioware were to make this their free DLC extended clarification, and announce following DLC will be the Battle for Earth, that would resemble what they promised in the first place, I think they can recover.

However, if they insist on keeping an ending that forces Shepard to accept one of three horrible choices, (as well as horrible circular logic), I think many of us will just give up on the company.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 11 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[The_Sauz]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Repliku wrote...
We don't want a happy ending, we just don't want

You can say this, however it doesn't stop everybody crying that they don't have a personal victory and how that ruins their lives or something.

This coming from someone who has only played ME2
Maybe people will listen or pay attention to your remaks when you have played all 3 Mass Effects and get the story line!!!