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[Fxnris]

Anyone noticed how this gets announced just as all the Bioware staff are either on vacation or have flown off to PAX?

They must have known it'd end up a **** storm, clever they released it now so no questions about it could be asked before PAX.

Someone make me a sig, ME3 Endings: You can't polish a turd.


Pretty please?

[Shelled]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

what do they mean by clarification????

It means they are going to degrade the story further by making up more bullcrap and adding it to an already steaming pile in the hopes that we'll believe it.

This is such an utter atrocity.

Modifié par Shelled, 05 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[kbct]

Il Divo wrote...

kbct wrote...

Here we go again. This is so misleading. The news sites will trumpet the release of the ME3 EXTENDED CUT. Hey, they're fixing the bad ending! Some people that were probably on the fence will see the news and go buy the game.

However, they aren't fixing anything. There is no talk about the length and since it's free you can expect it will be short. They are only adding "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes" which means the god-child and colors will be explained in more detail and there will be blurbs around what happened to various characters and groups.

They are putting lipstick on the pig.

To an extent, but almost every criticism I've seen of the ending has been prefaced by "I love the game until the last five minutes". Given that, does it even need to be long? Unless we're going with the Indoctrination Theory, any ending fix would only require an alteration of the last 5-15 minutes, depending on how far they decide to take it.

But why did the last five minutes suck? Will clarification work or does it need a complete rewrite? I agree that we don't need to add too much content (but that would be nice too).

I think most people here agree that we need different content, not clarified content.

[chengthao]

Getorex wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Here comes the whining when people still don't get their happy ending where Shepard lives happily ever after.

For
the last bloody time, people do not want a happy ending. They want an
ending that isn't riddled with plotholes and leaps of logic that would
even make Evel Knieval go "Nope, I'm not that crazy."

Right, guess I'll just dismiss the countless threads demanding happy endings where Shepard lives and the relays are fine as irrelevent.

Sigh.

There is nothing wrong with a happy ending (meaning Shepard is alive and w/his/her LI at the end...somehow).  NOTHING.  It is 100% in tune with the ENTIRE series.  Going 100% bleak and dark is 100% out of tune with the entire series.  No one wants to force you to be happy, to not be a nihilist, to not enjoy death and destruction.  You are free to enjoy bleakness and be all "edgey" and "hipster" all you want.  We simply want DIFFERENT endings that are clearly DIFFERENT and in tune with the entire series.  THAT means a happy-ish ending that can be earned by doing EVERYTHING fight is OK as a CHOICE.  Choice is the heart of this game.

[Lucy Glitter]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

Because no amount of "clarification" can explain those giant plot holes, lack of choice etc.

We didn't want "clarity". We wanted a rewrite to something that actually made sense, and respected our character choices.

But you got something. Jesus, that's pretty amazing that your group did.

Weskerr wrote...

Clarification is not what most fans protested for.

 

Did you expect they'd change everything post-release?

They've said that erasing their existing endings would not happen. 

[Valkyre4]

Gleym wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Νο there is a difference. Criticism is nice, its the reason why we are getting this and why ME3 just maybe gets a more concrete and clarifying end.

What I and a lot of others hate is people that are presenting this "clarification" as pointless, that there is no way imaginable that the ending might become much better than it was, in sort we hate people who speak before they actually SEE what Bioware has in mind for this ending.

Thats the folks I hate. How about these people take a chill pill, see the ending that Bioware has in store and then start going bananas. I will join them myself if the ending and clarification is not satisfying. But until I see it, I will not condemn it as if I have some magic ball showing the future.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

So let me get this straight.. If a guy sells you a car, and it breaks down after about an hour of driving it. You bring it back and demand to have it fixed, it takes him two to three weeks to get back to you on it and all he's done is put some fuzzy dice in your rear view mirror and given it a new slap of paint. And you wouldn't call that a pointless result?

In the end what we have here is smoke and mirrors. Basically, they've realized that all the bad PR is killing their sales, so they're pretty much claiming to fix what's wrong so anyone not in the know will go out and buy the game, thinking that the fatal flaw that so many warned of has been addressed and fixed. In other words: A lie.

your example is completely irrelevant and moronic to say the least. When I bought my car I knew what car type it was I knew exactly what it was equiped with and its specifications. There was nothing about my car that needed to be clarified. The fact that it broke down shortly after means that my car was faulty and that it needed REPAIRS. Normally they change the faulty parts with new ones, the SAME ones. They are not going to put me a racing modified double clutch because the stadard clutch it had broke down...and I sure as hell am not entitled to tell them to put me something different in my car than what it had when I bought it...unless in your city you go to the mechanic with a Yugo and then you come out with a Ferrari, because, "hey"... your car "broke down" and the only way to be compensated is if the give you a completely different car than the one you bought...

Seriously if you want to find reasons to moan all the time, you need to find better examples/arguments. Comparing a car that breaks down with the poor ending of a videogame is one of the most retarded things i've heard lately...

I hated the ending myself but I dont believe that it is 100% unfixable and I will reserve judgement until I experience it.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 05 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[Chewin]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

what do they mean by clarification????

You know, "why did X happened, and what does Y mean, and does it involve Z".

[Hevilath]

Someone wrote:
"The fact that it's free makes me question the content in the DLC."
My god. Some people will never be satisfied no matter what you offer them.

Nonetheless I have high hopes, even if it will be only cinematic ending explaining indoctrination theory and what happened to all characters I liked during +120 hours of playing Mass Effect Trilogy. Try to do your best Bioware.

[Shelled]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

Because no amount of "clarification" can explain those giant plot holes, lack of choice etc.

We didn't want "clarity". We wanted a rewrite to something that actually made sense, and respected our character choices.

But you got something. Jesus, that's pretty amazing that your group did.

Weskerr wrote...

Clarification is not what most fans protested for.

 

Did you expect they'd change everything post-release?

They've said that erasing their existing endings would not happen. 

NO. This isn't what we asked for. This bullcrap is just going to hit a giant hornets nest.

Modifié par Shelled, 05 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[coles4971]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

What's wrong with this being an option?

Because it becomes the standard and without thinking, the "sunshine brigade" (as we've dubbed  them) would instantly metagame that choice and do so without any thought into the process and thus completely dismiss everything else relevent with the decision.

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.

I play games as a form of escapism, so I want my happy, or semi-happy ending.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sounds like clarification to me.

[Pedrak]

Wow.

If we obtained that with 400 cupcakes, maybe with one million strudels we'll get a better version of DA2.

Modifié par Pedrak, 05 avril 2012 - 01:45 .

[Dave of Canada]

Getorex wrote...

Choice is the heart of this game.

They didn't give me the choice when they retconned my character out of existence, they didn't give me a choice when they butchered everything I've done previously, they didn't give a choice to Thane or Jacob romancers when they threw them out as irrelevent, they didn't give a choice to Cerberus supporters, they didn't give a choice to a lot of people.

The ending is the only one which inconveniences you, thus it bothers you and you stomp your feet on the ground and cry out, demanding satisfaction. They're offering closure, something which many people clamoured for, though you'll keep stomping your feet because you don't get a happily ever after.

I'm sorry if I find that outrageous.

[rizuno]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

What's wrong with this being an option?

Because it becomes the standard and without thinking, the "sunshine brigade" (as we've dubbed  them) would instantly metagame that choice and do so without any thought into the process and thus completely dismiss everything else relevent with the decision.

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.

Or play ME1 or ME2...just sayin

[dorktainian]

anyone know when it'll be available for download?

[Lucy Glitter]

Getorex wrote...

No.  It HAS been done before, repeatedly.  People have provided clear examples in these forums.  It is NORMAL, it is DOABLE, it is DONE.  Period.  No argument can be made to deny objective reality. 

Not after a release to the general public. 

[Dune01]

Stop ****ing damn it! They are doing this FOR YOU! They don't need a clarified or changed ending. THEY ARE DOING THIS FOR YOU, THEIR FANS. So stop with the hate. It's not nice.

[Dezerte]

Very dissapointed if this really is true.

Can't they just admit they made a mistake? Everyone is human after all.

[Blackmind1]

Nice. Thanks Bioware!

[Denethar]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

what do they mean by clarification???? Unless they mean something like IT theory, i dont understand.

You get a 20 sec sex scene between joker and your LI

[rizuno]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Choice is the heart of this game.

They didn't give me the choice when they retconned my character out of existence, they didn't give me a choice when they butchered everything I've done previously, they didn't give a choice to Thane or Jacob romancers when they threw them out as irrelevent, they didn't give a choice to Cerberus supporters, they didn't give a choice to a lot of people.

The ending is the only one which inconveniences you, thus it bothers you and you stomp your feet on the ground and cry out, demanding satisfaction. They're offering closure, something which many people clamoured for, though you'll keep stomping your feet because you don't get a happily ever after.

I'm sorry if I find that outrageous.

Well go find those people and bring them here, I'd love to meet them.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

What's wrong with this being an option?

You want happily ever after? Go watch DIsney.

That is such an ignorant statement. Is it suddenly cool to have dark and grim endings now? Am i no longer hip and with-it? Damn.

[Fraevar]

I guess it depends on what they mean by "clarification". If it means: "Re-writing the scenes to make it have logical sense in the context of the gameworld" then I'm all for it. If it means: "Adding more things to try and salvage the illogical current content through further exposition" then that could go awry. I don't really want to be a pessimist here, but I am a little bit cautious, can't deny that.

[Queenie4000]

Il Divo wrote...

Also a good point. Of course, they could be hoping that this announcement will spur the retake movement to purchase other planned dlc they have coming before the ending patch. That way, if it turns out to be extremely unsatisfying, we'll have already paid for the other content.

Not saying this is the case, but it's possible.

^This 

I'm going to try and reserve judgement until the summer but I will not buy any DLC until I see what this "clarification" is.  If it is awe inspiring then I'll go back and buy any DLC that I am sure they have planned for now or the very near future.  I'm guessing there is already planned paid DLC and will go out as scheduled - by waiting until summer for this "clarification" release they would be able to string some people along and still make there projected results from the paid DLC.