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[nevar00]

An "explanation" and "clarity" will not fix this ending.  It is unsalvagable.  

I'm almost certain it can't make it any worse, so at least there's that, but still.  I'll wait until I see this... "clarification"... but in no ****ing way am I holding my breathe for something that will actually fix that atrocity of writing and video games in general. 

[quote]Varus Torvyn wrote...

Claim it by April 12?

It ISN'T on Origin nor the BioWare webpage.

I was hoping our choices would matter, like they did for the ending of ME2.[/quote]

Indeed, unfortunately I was not holding out on them redoing the entire last level.


[QUOTE].
BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of
this arc of the Mass Effect franchise.{/QUOTE]

Ha!  They're still sticking by that absolute bull**** argument?  

Can someone email them a list of the lies we were told before this game came out again?

Modifié par nevar00, 05 avril 2012 - 08:40 .

[tschamp]

Bottom line, your choices don’t matter at the end. Artistic Integrity matters at the end. Yes, I don’t think video games are art. Call me about 20 years and ask the question,”Is Mass Effect series art?” I will answer yes or no if people are still talking about it in 20 years. To put this simply as I can, you don’t get to give yourself the title of artist or what you do is art, other people decide that not the creators. I know that is hard for a lot of creative people to deal with, but it is the truth. The title “art” and “artist” is earn through hard work and dedication. Bioware announcement a free DLC that explains the ending without giving up their artistic integrity, they stop worry about that and focus on their company’s integrity.

[LightweightJustice]

A new Hammerhead?
Nice...

[Peranor]

I just decided to get drunk to try and forget about all this. And now when it's tarting to have effect it just hit me. That Intoxication theory makes a lot of sense when you think about it!

Put more stuff in... the thing more stuff goes in!

[Faerlyte]

Clarifying the ending would be easier than re-writing it from a creator's standpoint. And as some people have simply asked for clarification, they're gong for what they can do rather than what needs to be done. It will make some people happy.

Bottom line, their "artistic vision" is too buried in inconsistency and plot holes to ever be reconciled, so they're going to stick with what they have and fix what they can.

[Myrmedus]

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[quote]Atomic Space Vixen wrote...

If the DLC reasonable explains how Glowboy isn't a deus ex machina who ends the game by essentially just forcing you to make a choice of three buttons to push while having absolutely no reason to trust Glowboy on any of them, I'll be happy.


[/quote]

Shepard had no choice but to trust Starchild because the alternative was the death of everyone in the galaxy by Reaper.

Duh.

[/quote]
Actually, i`d have told that starbrat to go to hell, atleast you had a fighting chance with that entire armada to kill some reapers system by system, planet by planet as the relays weren`t destroyed

More sense with all your choices then be forced to pick your 3 color doomsday effect... <_<

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Actually you had zero chance, it was already said that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. Your ONLY chance is to use the Crucible.


[quote]Tleining wrote...



i'll take that Alternative ../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/quote]


Shepard would take the options sooner than let everyone die.

[/quote]

You can't convince them, I have tried. They spend so much time arguing that they don't just want a sunshine and rainbows ending. But then they refuse to accept that A.) The game tells you several times that stopping the Reapers conventionally is not possible, and B.) stopping an extinction event is going to cause mass sacrifice and galactic change no matter what path is taken.

They also cannot seem to understand that more is at stake then just the current galactic life. How are you guys not understanding that life will continue to be destroyed every 50k years if you don't do something now? It's out of character of either paragon or renegade shep to just say "screw you!" and let everyone die. 

[/quote]

No offence but this post really pissed me off.

You're not getting through because you're not listening.

I'm pretty sure you'd been told numerous times that we both didn't want a sunshine and rainbows ending but that we also wanted additional endings. NO, they didn't need to be sunshine and rainbows, but we didn't want the existing endings which was the entire crux of the Retake movement.

Does this new DLC offer changed or additional endings?

No.

End of story.

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So wait.. you played the new dlc? Where can I download it?

[/quote]

Are you serious?

Read the press release IN THIS VERY THREAD:

[quote]
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No.
  BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of
  this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand
  on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/quote]

Holy crap...

[/quote]
You are still judging something that you havn't played. I have no idea how you are not understanding this...I get it, they are not making a new ending. But who are you to say that with the right amount of clarification, you might actually like it? You dont know, you have not played it, and judging it before doing so is plain idiotic.
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This is ****ing stupid.

There are entire swaths of critique over these forums as to why we dislike the existing endings and those reasons prohibit even the most astute "clarification" from fixing them.

The endings are INTRINSICALLY STREWED. Using clarification to try to fix them is like trying to fix a car wreck with a wrench.

I understand what you're trying to say but do you honestly think over the last few weeks fans haven't already tried to come up with every possible set of reasons or clarifications for the endings we got? Did any of those work?

No!

The reason the Indoctrination Theory was so popular is because it was pretty much the only "clarification" that worked...and it essentially just said "Everything after Harbinger hit you was bull****."

In other words, the only reason it worked was because it essentially threw the existing wreck out the window and built a new car from scratch.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 05 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[NPH11]

Putting a band-aid on a broken leg.

[jedsithor]

anorling wrote...

I just decided to get drunk to try and forget about all this. And now when it's tarting to have effect it just hit me. That Intoxication theory makes a lot of sense when you think about it!

Put more stuff in... the thing more stuff goes in!

Through the emergency induction port.

[Windariah]

anorling wrote...

I just decided to get drunk to try and forget about all this. And now when it's tarting to have effect it just hit me. That Intoxication theory makes a lot of sense when you think about it!

Put more stuff in... the thing more stuff goes in!

*snicker*  I needed that laugh!

[Timpossible21]

My trust in Bioware rises.
I believe they do something good.
Don't think the worst. 80% that Bioware will do something nice. 15% the do something meeeehhh and 5% they **** this completley up!

I read something about, that everyone might not die and the Mass-Relays aren't completly lost.

Modifié par Timpossible21, 05 avril 2012 - 08:43 .

[phototed]

Led Guardian wrote...

So which color pillow do you think EA will choose to receive its Golden Poo on?

Blue cause they wanna control everything!... no wait... red cause they want to destroy!

[Tocquevillain]

Myrmedus wrote...

"Wrong"? About what? You haven't said what I'm wrong about. What do you mean "object"? Object to what? Object to the choices being made? The Starchild gave him a choice, if Shepard didn't make a choice from the options, Starchild would just let the Reapers do their work. What would you object to? There's nothing, your job to end the threat. You end it.

I'm totally bewildered by this, please explain.

Wrong about Shepard not having any other option.

Starchild would not have just let the Reapers do their work because it no longer ordained their work as a workable solution, hence why it was even willing in the first place to "find a new solution".

There was enough wiggle room there to interject. We were never given the option, even a failed attempt. We were simply given the option to nod our head like a little lost lamb.

I still don't understand why you need the option to interject. You didn't submit to the Catalyst, the Catalyst empowered you to determine the fate of the Reapers and the galaxy. Crikey.

[H8cijadi8ooer]

How about this Bioware. Admit the ending sucked and make a NEW ONE. I don't care if it takes several months just make it AMAZING DAMMIT.

[kaskouka]

terdferguson123 wrote...

Are you guys really complaining about free stuff?

Think about this for a second.... Please, I need you guys to do it, I can't even believe what I am seeing. They are giving us FREE content, and you guys are actually complaining.

If they had given us what they had promised in the first place, there would be nothing to complain about and that free stuff wouldn't be necessary.
Now people are complaining because adding content to a broken ending will not change the fact that it is still broken.

If the engine of my car is broken, either I fix it or I buy a new car, but I will not apply a new layer of paint or add new wheel rims because that will not change the fact that my car is useless.

[2Shepards]

I do not not understand how they will provide clarity, with the Godchild still in the plot. That better be some f*cking superb writing to fix that. But Bioware has provided some of the best writing in video games ever. So hope springs eternal.

Hold the line.

Modifié par 2Shepards, 05 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[Mikokami]

After "Flagshipping", we got... "BioWrecking"? Nice.

Nav: 'Captain, a monstrous abomination of an ending ahead!'
Cap: 'Dont worry, this franchise is unsinkable!'

Modifié par Mikokami, 05 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[MakeMineMako]

txmn1016 wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

Make of this what you will twitter.com/#!/MrBlazenGlazen/status/187948439148052480

Well that makes me feel better.

Interesting.

Maybe something good will come out of this. But we will just have to wait and see.

[UrgentArchengel]

I think it's pretty evident that Bioware loves the smell of their own crap, hence why they keep the endings.

[nevar00]

I do also like that they acted as if the biggest issue here was a lack of closure.

****. No.

The ending has a list of problems with it: a lack of closure is just one minor thing.

[Necrotron]

jarrettwold wrote...

Time to tiptoe through a minefield.

Bioware listened. I think that's evident from the phrasing in the press release. The retake movement did have an effect. I think they compiled all the feedback they could find across twitter, BSN and probably Reddit. They most likely viewed the majority of the feedback, as seeking clarification to the ending and went that route. That's cool, it's their baby and they've now said exactly what they're going to do.

Digging around it's seems to be a 75/25 positive/negative split in reaction to the news. If people are happy about it, then that's cool too. The ending DLC is going to be free which is even better news to those people. It's also a cool thing on Bioware's behalf to do. They could have charged for it, they're not going to. It's 2 months of development time that's coming out of their pocket, which is not cheap.

That being said, I didn't like the ending. I wanted alternate ending DLC, and I think a lot of people who wanted that were willing to shell out between 10-30USD to see that happen. Alternate ending DLC isn't going to happen so I'll deal with that. I'm not satisfied, but that's how the ball bounces.

At this point will I replay through ME3 to get to that clarified ending? No. I'll see how I will feel come summer, but at this point my gut instinct is telling me I'm not going to.

The only thing I'm going to be watching for at this point is Omega DLC, which I really want to play and signs of an MMO. If a MMO is going to be set in the past, not playing it. If it's set in the future by anything more than a hundred or two hundred years or so, not playing it. I liked the universe that existed in this ME trilogy, and want to play in that one.

Did I ever feel entitled to a new/alternate ending? Nope. Do I think they could have done cool things with one? Yup. If there was a precedent to be set for doing that, in a positive way, Bioware would have pulled it off.

So while I'm bummed, I'm happy that a lot of other people are excited. I will be saving my save, and backing it up to the xbox live cloud and on a thumbdrive. Being able to import a saved game into an MMO would be awesome. But, I do agree the Shep's story had to come to a close in this series.

Stop it with your reasonableness and logic!

Great post, and nicely positive.  Good to see!

[refuse81]

Gterror2 wrote...

refuse81 wrote...

Gterror2 wrote...

In summer?Damn now i need to wait for another 6 months to see that "closure" DLC, nice to see BW will release it free, not following the Capcom "True Ending" 6$ BS.

October isn't summer...

Yeah, work can change my perspective of summer...

Lunch break youtube.

[Murkman4683]

Wait this is free!?! Thanks Bioware, free clarification DLC! RETAKE, you guys did it, you brought a demigod to it's knees, what are you going to do to celebrate. Oh, you are going to pull out the "I wanted new endings, not clarification" card and continue to plague the forums, once again Bioware has ruined BSN.

[jedsithor]

Tocquevillain wrote...


I still don't understand why you need the option to interject. You didn't submit to the Catalyst, the Catalyst empowered you to determine the fate of the Reapers and the galaxy. Crikey.

Because the Catalyst is wrong. I spent 30 hours in ME3 alone proving that organics and synthetics can co-exist. If I've done that, I should have the opportunity to point it out. It's what my Shepard has done throughout the series. The choices you are given are unnecessary if the purpose of the Reapers no longer makes sense.

If you haven't united the Quarian and the Geth, fine. Original endings make a bit more sense. But if you have, then Shepard should have the opportunity to point that out.

[Tocquevillain]

Kamuchi wrote...


That was befor the Thanix cannons, i`m more suprised that we didn`t see the Normandy tear a reaper apart and half the Turian fleet a few dozen with ease

This thread http://social.biowar...index/4440376/1

will explain it. The Reapers have huge mass effect shields. They built mass effect technology, they're best situated to know how to protect themselves from it, especially seeing as how they're making the technology available to other species during the cycles in order to guide them down paths. It makes sense for them to be able to protect themselves from that. They have the most powerful shields because they have the biggest mass effect cores around. It's kind of obvious, isn't it?

[2Shepards]

jedsithor wrote...

Tocquevillain wrote...


I still don't understand why you need the option to interject. You didn't submit to the Catalyst, the Catalyst empowered you to determine the fate of the Reapers and the galaxy. Crikey.

Because the Catalyst is wrong. I spent 30 hours in ME3 alone proving that organics and synthetics can co-exist. If I've done that, I should have the opportunity to point it out. It's what my Shepard has done throughout the series. The choices you are given are unnecessary if the purpose of the Reapers no longer makes sense.

If you haven't united the Quarian and the Geth, fine. Original endings make a bit more sense. But if you have, then Shepard should have the opportunity to point that out.

THIS^ Holy*hit this!

But again I'm reserving all jugdment til all facts come to light.