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[jedsithor]

RiouHotaru wrote...



Except that none of the "additional options" I've seen fans come up with work at all with what we're given.

It's clear that the endings we got are WAI (Working As Intended), but that we missed something or something got lost in translation.

Which is what we're going to get.

If they were working as intended, we wouldn't all be here talking about it making no sense.

As for additional endings, as I've said previously, all that's really needed is a few extra lines of dialogue and some cutscenes that are only available (not mandatory, you don't have to choose them) if you united the Quarian and Geth. You can get a Paragon/Renegade dialogue option that if you pass, allows you to convince Starchild that the cycle is broken and that organics and synthetics can co-exist.

You can still pick your three colours if you want. Or something else can happen. Again, depending on your choices. An example would be that Starchild decides to send the Reapers back to Dark Space. Harbinger refuses to leave and attacks the Citadel. Suddenly the fleet isn't facing the entire Reaper armada, just Harbinger and those who support him.

Then, depending on your EMS and various choices, the Citadel may be destroyed, taking Shepard with it, or Joker can fly the Normandy straight into Harbinger on a suicide run, or the Rachni can show up and save the day. Go nuts.Your gameplay is finished. Now you're just sitting back and watching as your choices throughout the games come to fruition. Maybe Shep dies, or LI or everyone, or no one. It all depends on your choices and EMS.

It's simple. It doesn't rewrite the ending, just adds another option that doesn't have to be taken and isn't always available. The result of your various decisions play out before your eyes and you aren't guaranteed a truly happy ending.

[Auralius Carolus]

Great! So now they're gonna add sprinkles to that heaping pile of crap that is Starchild. I'm so glad my emotional and financial investment in this series has resulted in the realization that whoever designed this rollercoaster forgot to add the last rail segments in the name of art. *crash*

Excuse me while I pack up my things. I'm not waiting another handful of months for them to band-aid the gaping wound in their plot.

[MassEffect762]

Dandynermite wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

It's not they don't understand, it's that EA($$$) controls them and figures Fifa and TOR will keep them going.

In other words they don't care about ME or you for that matter.

Don't blame EA. Bioware lied and screwed us over, not EA. If you buy lemonade from a kid at at stall and it tastes of **** you really going to hunt down his mom for giving him the ingrediants? 

No, precisely. 

Bioware made the ****ty endings, not EA, EA game them a timescale and the budget, they blew it buy made a plot centric day one dlc and wrecked the endings. 

Ok I can accept that, but it's EA that has the means to correct Mac Walters/CaseyHudson/Bioware/ME3 ending.

I don't see that happening.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 05 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[Waccoo]

I am really unsure about this solution :/

But well, let's just wait and see. And for all we know, this theory about that the last part being a dream could still be true, i'm not talking about indoctrination, but just a simple dream/vision/hallucination since they say they didnt change the ending at all.

And about that part where Shepard wakes up in rubble.. well, that could just be a hint for a fourth game in the series, maybe a beginning of a new triology about Reapers still trying to conquer everything. Think about it like in Terminator 3. Everything ends, and there is still a small resistance.

But yeah, who knows, this is just some wild guesses I have.
I mean, we thought we would destroy the reapers in this game, one by one, we wanted to annihilate every single one of them, and not just watch ships shoot at them, and maybe we get to do that, more like a long war against reapers.

We all know something is up since we get hints after hints, and Bioware wants us to "hold on to the game forever" etc etc.

But as I wrote before, some of my wild guesses, everything could also be wrong

Modifié par Waccoo, 05 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[GhengisTom]

While I want more endings, hopefully the work they put into this will bring the closure that is needed, including fixing the plot holes. If it is satisfying I will buy from BW again.

Thank you Bioware for at least putting effort into making your customers happier.

Modifié par GhengisTom, 05 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[VigilancePress]

Okay, a serious case of Mixed Signals going on today. We've got some very positive tweets being posted, and a lot of negative evaluations of the press releases.

So what's actually coming? Why can't BioWare tell us something concrete? 

I guess they want to explain what they're doing at PAX. Hopefully the Yo-Yo will end there.

Till then, this is how I'm feeling about all this:

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Thank you Bioware. Seriously.

Now, whatever it is you do, please make it sure it doesn't suck. :V

[Pwillig]

Lol

It would take the equivalent of a full-length film of cut scenes to properly explain the Charlie Foxtrot of Mass Effect 3's ending.

"See, what had happened was...  This kid with a hoodie, was actually a GOD STAR CHILD WITH A HOODIE..."

I miss Pre-EA BioWare so much. 

[spyro396]

Its just a couple extra cut scenes, no new gameplay or endings

[Balmung31]

VigilancePress wrote...

Okay, a serious case of Mixed Signals going on today. We've got some very positive tweets being posted, and a lot of negative evaluations of the press releases.

So what's actually coming? Why can't BioWare tell us something concrete? 

I guess they want to explain what they're doing at PAX. Hopefully the Yo-Yo will end there.

Till then, this is how I'm feeling about all this:

Actually, they don't.  So I think we're at the Despair part of the yo-yo string right now. 

[IXITiKiMoNIXI]

They are going to bring clarity to a terrible ending full of plot holes by expanding on it, so we're going to be watching a cinematic for 5 hours? Honestly I'm hoping that the can actually accomplish this and make me shut up about this and complete my love for Mass Effect 3. Although this is just screaming to me "can you shut up and we all move along now?". The more and more this goes on the more evident it is becoming that E.A. has killed yet another company.

[Njald]

NvVanity wrote...

TJWWE2007 wrote...

tybbiesniffer wrote...

I cheered out loud when I read the announcement. I'd actually be satisfied with clarification and closure. Maybe I'm the only one.

It comes down to, "Will it be enough?" 

So many people want LI closure and to see the galaxy adapt to your decisions, but with Shepard dead in many playthroughs, and the relays destroyed in most playthroughs, none of that can really be achieved.

My guess is.

• They'll explain how FTL travel will be done w/o Relays. Not sure how, probably something along the lines of getting it from the remains of blown up Reapers.
• Explain what Squadmates, Love Interest and Normandy Crew did afterwards whether thats getting off that planet or it turns out to be significant somehow.
• Explain what all the different races did afterwards depending on your choices. Quarians rebuild Rannoch, Krogan spread out beyond Tuchanka with Genophage cured, Rachni (if alive) join society, etc.
• Closure for former squadmates, significant characters and minor ones we love or interacted with a lot.
• Subliminal DLC advertisement
• What happened to people who got screwed over. Cerberus in shambles, Asari government being hated for not sharing Beacons, etc.
• State of the galaxy in the future when we see the Stargazer. Galactic peace? Something else? 

Well I for one is happy there will be no advertisement for DLC in the ending as you describe it. Now will you excuse me while I fetch my CreditCard for no reason.

[Kanner]

*single tear*

[JustaCopy]

That doesn't sound very satisfying. I suspect as much as the following suggestions in the link.

Njald wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Militarized wrote...

...

A year? try 5 minutes from me. It's easily explained, it's just not very good.
Here is a fast draft of what we will see in the DLC  
I do hope I'm wrong though.

If a "fix" wasn't planned by BioWare before realsing the game (e.g. indoctrination ...  ;P), they will have to find a way to transform  their "lot's of speculations" into something with more sense and less ****. And they have to da that without changing anything in the gameplay?!
My guess is, that this will be hard for them and they won't please the fans.
So don't get any hopes up.

But it's up to bioware to show otherwise.

[N7Gold]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

They seem to love the term "artistic integrity"... I sense a lot of arrogance in it.

Agreed. There isn't any artistic integrity in that ending, and if BioWare had any, they'd remake the ending so it was actually artistically appropriate for the series.

If they had any true artistic integrity, they should stay true to their word and create multiple endings that play out depending on how high our Galactic Readiness is, and how many war assets we have. For example, I believed the Advanced Power Relays war asset for the Crucible would prevent the destruction of mass relays since the war asset's purpose is to regulate power surges in the Crucible, preventing power overloads. I thought wrong. I guess they scratched all that out because its too complex for their "artisitc integrity"... More like "blind arrogance".

Modifié par N7Gold, 05 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[ColloquialAnachron]

This is honestly "it" for me. If this DLC doesn't satisfy the incredibly deep feeling of emptiness and defeat I felt after the debacle that were the original endings, I simply won't be able to buy any further Bioware products. I am really hoping this DLC saves Bioware for me, but as I've said time and again on BSN, if Bioware demonstrates that it does not actually listen to fan feedback, then I simply take my money elsewhere. It took me too long to accept that Peter Molyneux's reach exceeded his grasp, and while Bioware has had my faith and money assured, that faith has been severely shaken.

[Joy Sauce]

I knew I was right to expect disappointment. No amount of "clarity" or "closure" will make this ending good. I suppose they think we can't complain because it's going to be free, but this isn't what we've been asking for. I know they're hoping this will shut us up, but clearly going by what a lot of people have said in this thread, we won't.

[Mev186]

Is artistic integrity worth people losing their jobs ? If they don't fix the ending they alienate a portion of their fanbase, that is bad for business. Eventually, I think they will fix it but it will be too late, most fans won't care anymore. The damage will be done and Bioware will never recover. Look, Bioware can tell stories much better than I can. Maybe this will fix it. I';; keep my hopes up, But I'd hate for this to be the beginning of the end of a company that meant so much to us.

[Myrmedus]

AkeasharK wrote...

Raptr569 wrote...

Although not made by Bioware KOTOR IIs ending was a shambles if my memory serves me correctly...

Kotor 2's ending is the worst I've ever played in an RPG, short of FFVII's 'Meteor falls... everyone dies?' until they released Advent's Children and showed that, no... everyone actually survived.

What the? I guess that just goes to show you different people interpret endings very differently.

FFVII's ending never seemed like a bad, apocalyptic ending to me. The only place that got fried was Midgar, which had been evacuated beforehand. There was no evidence of damage being done to the planet anywhere else?

[Dridengx]

Dandynermite wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

It's not they don't understand, it's that EA($$$) controls them and figures Fifa and TOR will keep them going.

In other words they don't care about ME or you for that matter.

Don't blame EA. Bioware lied and screwed us over, not EA. If you buy lemonade from a kid at at stall and it tastes of **** you really going to hunt down his mom for giving him the ingrediants? 
. 

not really sure It's tasteful of you using kids and going after them as proper use of an analogy

[Lurchibald]

On a happy note, gog.com have the original Fallout for free http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout

[Myrmedus]

AkeasharK wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

You want a decent story game go to the Fallouts, Bethseda/Obsidian
A decent TPS go Gears, or for FPS Halo, Bungie.
Decent game from developers who care about fans Diablo 3 Blizzard/Activison.
Cool new game to look forward to later on Assasins Creed 3.
Do not wait around for this ignorant, arrogant company to spew some pr crap or a two minute colour change at you.

Bethesda... Daggerfall. Oh so very much, Daggerfall. Apparently they've improved over the years, but after that cataclysmic mess I've found it hard to get into any of their sandbox games.

Obsidian has relased some of the worst RPGs I've ever played. KotOR 2 chief among them.

Yo what?! KotOR2 was a ****ing AMAZING RPG, it was simply the ending that sucked - and that was LucasArts' fault (they essentially pulled the plug mid-development).

[The Divine Avenger]

Waccoo wrote...

I am really unsure about this solution :/

But well, let's just wait and see. And for all we know, this theory about that the last part being a dream could still be true, i'm not talking about indoctrination, but just a simple dream/vision/hallucination since they say they didnt change the ending at all.

And about that part where Shepard wakes up in rubble.. well, that could just be a hint for a fourth game in the series, maybe a beginning of a new triology about Reapers still trying to conquer everything. Think about it like in Terminator 3. Everything ends, and there is still a small resistance.

But yeah, who knows, this is just some wild guesses I have.
I mean, we thought we would destroy the reapers in this game, one by one, we wanted to annihilate every single one of them, and not just watch ships shoot at them, and maybe we get to do that, more like a long war against reapers.

We all know something is up since we get hints after hints, and Bioware wants us to "hold on to the game forever" etc etc.

But as I wrote before, some of my wild guesses, everything could also be wrong

Of course they'll say stuff like "If you knew what we had planned you'd hold onto your copy of Mass Effect 3 forever" they want us to buy DLC. Considering that everything they told us up to the release date was utter bulls*** I can't believe you'd be willing to jump onboard so quickly.

[Blue Liara]

This is ALL PR nonsense. To try to calm the fans before PAX.

I think it is outrageous and a massive slap in the face.

The fact that they say they will not be discussing the ending so ME at all at PAX is really inexcusable.

WHY CAN'T THEY?!! What are they the CIA unable to disclose information vital to the security of the homeland.

Oh yea they don't care about the fans they don't want to really appeal to them. They feel like they are being forced to do this because they would lose so much business if they did nothing.

They believe that they will make an ending that will stop them from losing future revenue and silence the movement. That is all they care about, the bottom line. Not appealing to the fans, not creating good content.

They are ruled by their outrageous ego's which they call Artistic Integrity. Which makes them so absurdly arrogant they can't admit that they were WRONG. Pathetic and arrogant. If they don't CHANGE the ending, they don't deserve to survive.

Remember they have yet to admit ANY fault with regards to the ending. They have stuck to the line that it is just their "most passionate" fans that don't get it. Seriously every time I hear this I feel like their saying, some of our stupid fans who we need to make money don't get the ending so we'll give them some throw away BS cutscense to shut them up, then take more of their money with pre-ending DLC that we'll release before the ending DLC.

Bioware if you do not CHANGE the ending I say goodbye and good riddance. If you grow a pair and have the guts to admit your mistake and change the ending, I will have a new found respect for the company.

It is much harder to admit your wrong, then to claim that you are right.

As an end note. Why tell me should we believe anything that anyone on twitter or Bioware say. They have consistenly lied and manipulated and misrepresented what ME3 would be. Why should we believe them now. I certainly don't 

Modifié par Blue Liara, 05 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[Myrmedus]

Dandynermite wrote...

AkeasharK wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

You want a decent story game go to the Fallouts, Bethseda/Obsidian
A decent TPS go Gears, or for FPS Halo, Bungie.
Decent game from developers who care about fans Diablo 3 Blizzard/Activison.
Cool new game to look forward to later on Assasins Creed 3.
Do not wait around for this ignorant, arrogant company to spew some pr crap or a two minute colour change at you.

Bethesda... Daggerfall. Oh so very much, Daggerfall. Apparently they've improved over the years, but after that cataclysmic mess I've found it hard to get into any of their sandbox games.

Obsidian has relased some of the worst RPGs I've ever played. KotOR 2 chief among them.

Blizzard is releasing StarCraft 2 as three full priced games. That would be the equivalent of getting to the end of Mass Effect 3 and them going 'Oh yeah, part two of that will be out in a year or two, and cost the same amount'

And considering the total lack of respect and abuse they show their fanbase throughout WoW and its individual patches and expansions... ah... no.

No company is perfect. I'll still be getting the ME3 DLC because I enjoy the game, and theres much worse endings (I'm looking at you Sith Lords)

Further Bioware games...? After the shambles of Jade Empire and the backdraft over DA2, I'm at the point where unless its something that I care about, I'll wait until all the DLC is out and its $20 or less.

You ignored Diablo 3 completely, focusing on a game with 10 million monthly players, and saying they are unhappy... go on their forums and find as much hate from their larger fan base please??

No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?