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[Tony208]

If this statement follows the precedent of previous ones regarding ME3, we've won!

Just do a complete 180 of what they've said and we got new endings!

[InsaneAzrael]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The fact you folks honestly expected a complete re-write, and thought Bioware would actually do that?

You set yourselves up to be let down. The only ones to blame here is you.

The thing about art is that it is a lot like humour.

Imagine this:
The ending is a joke.
Like a joke, if you need to explain it, it just isn't that funny.

My stance remains that no interest need be paid further to this.
If they can make this "clarification" ending with invisible funds, then they could just as much admit that the ending was a failure and use the funds being pumped into this and one DLC pack to edit the ending into something that makes sense and is... Of good humour.

[Tony208]

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

[GroverA125]

My iPhone stopped working recently and had to be reset, when I turned it back on it could no longer re-activate, after a little reading and yahoo answers, I discovered the problem was to do with the SIM card, I contacted my provider and informed them of the issue, told them I needed a new SIM card to get it up and running again, and what did they do?

They tried to send me a new battery, for free, instead. I told them no, I needed a new SIM card to get it running again, they said they couldn't help me and if I wanted a working iPhone, I should go to another company and spend my money with them in the future.

Funnily enough, the same thing has happened here: We've said that this is not good, and we want this, and they've ignored us completely and offered us something we never said we wanted. Then when we tell them we don't want that, they say "it's art, we need to keep our art integral" and then essentially tell us that if we don't like it, we can spend our money elsewhere. It's funny, "artistic integrity" seems to have no ground in actual art, but in a game, it is imperative, even though some of the games which haven't maintained their artistic integrity have become some of the best known games out there, and they haven't had a severe amount of hate, no-questions-asked full refunds and mass price decrease (I went to my local superstore, and found it for the pathetic price of £20. If that doesn't say "artistic integrity" isn't helping their case, nothing is) as well as managing to tear the entire gaming media in half.

...Yeah, if this was some PR stunt to try to get extra rep, do us all a favour and find the person who thought it up, and fire them, it was perhaps the most idiotic idea that has ever came to be. You went from "most anticipated game of 2012" to one of the worst games of 2012.

"we must maintain artistic integrity" - Famous last words of Bioware.

Edit: and Starchild was right: AI will be the demise of all organic life... shame, I didn't want to die by Artistic Integrity...

Modifié par GroverA125, 05 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[mrderp27]

so, why wasn't this in the game originally?

[The Anti-Saint]

Dandynermite wrote...
Don't blame EA. Bioware lied and screwed us over, not EA. If you buy lemonade from a kid at at stall and it tastes of **** you really going to hunt down his mom for giving him the ingrediants? 

Mhm, EA's reputation was lovingly crafted by no fewer than one million red, green, and blue space hamsters...they earned every hearty and happy middle finger that has been directed their way.

[phat0817]

Nah this just doesn't cut it for me. The ending was terrible no dcl trying to clarifying it will change that. But what can I do? I just refuse to purchase any games made by Bioware. So with that I'm officially done with Bioware and this forums. I hope the dcl lives up to some of your expectations

Modifié par phat0817, 05 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[The Anti-Saint]

mrderp27 wrote...

so, why wasn't this in the game originally?

Artistic integrity.

[Well]

Dandynermite wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

It's not they don't understand, it's that EA($$$) controls them and figures Fifa and TOR will keep them going.

In other words they don't care about ME or you for that matter.

Don't blame EA. Bioware lied and screwed us over, not EA. If you buy lemonade from a kid at at stall and it tastes of **** you really going to hunt down his mom for giving him the ingrediants? 

No, precisely. 

Bioware made the ****ty endings, not EA, EA game them a timescale and the budget, they blew it buy made a plot centric day one dlc and wrecked the endings. 

lol...that was good.

[Draconis6666]

I think the most telling factor is that its supposedly going to take 2-3 months to create a DLC that's just cutscenes and an epilogue with no gameplay. Which says one of two things to me,

1.) The ending is so bad that the writers don't even understand their "masterpiece" well enough to figure out how to explain it.

2.) They don't care enough to actually put any effort into its development and are going to continue to put most of their efforts into paid DLC, while half-assed working on this to placate the "stupid people who don't get it"

probably both.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 05 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[zephyr2025]

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

[iiTzCyAniiDe]

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Lol what? 
it's only bad if you compair the multiplayer proscene to BW

Please do tell how Sc2 is bad...

Modifié par iiTzCyAniiDe, 05 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[The Anti-Saint]

phat0817 wrote...

Nah this just doesn't cut it for me. The ending was terrible not dcl trying to clarifying it change that. But what can I do? I'm just refuse to purchase any games made by Bioware. So with that I'm officially done with Bioware and this forums. I hope the dcl lives up to some of your expectations

Well, to be fair, at least they are doing this...although their arms were pretty much twisted by the fanbase. EA could have pulled a Bank of America and told everyone to frack off...wait, I think they did that. Well, they could have done that AND given us nothing.

I'd look out for some veiled shots at the fanbase in the DLC...maybe a background character talking about whining, or entitlement thrown in there some where. Maye even something about the big evil corperations etc. A final FU as they close the franchise forever.

[phagus]

Sphynxian wrote...

I'm also wondering why I should care about Omega (which is so obviously going to be a DLC) when the entire Omega system is destroyed in the aftermath of a demolished mass relay. I mean if flying a meteor into one was enough to destroy an entire star system, than what the crucible did couldn't possibly be any better...

Agreed, plus there are two relays in the Omega system. So if Extended Cut dlc doesnt fix current ending there is no way I'm buying Omega dlc.

[The Divine Avenger]

JustaCopy wrote...

That doesn't sound very satisfying. I suspect as much as the following suggestions in the link.

Njald wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Militarized wrote...

...

A year? try 5 minutes from me. It's easily explained, it's just not very good.
Here is a fast draft of what we will see in the DLC  
I do hope I'm wrong though.

If a "fix" wasn't planned by BioWare before realsing the game (e.g. indoctrination ...  ;P), they will have to find a way to transform  their "lot's of speculations" into something with more sense and less ****. And they have to da that without changing anything in the gameplay?!
My guess is, that this will be hard for them and they won't please the fans.
So don't get any hopes up.

But it's up to bioware to show otherwise.

well my hopes for one arn't going anywere again after the whole, it's not even like you can say whether or not you got ending A, B or C & the 16 different endings c***. My hopes will stay where they are down low & hidden from sight & strife.

[Tony208]

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Really? I haven't heard of any retake Blizzard movements so they can't be doing that bad.

[zephyr2025]

iiTzCyAniiDe wrote...

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Lol what? 
it's only bad if you compair the multiplayer proscene to BW

Please do tell how Sc2 is bad...

Here's a couple things for starters
http://www.teamliqui...topic_id=308482 

This thread lists of a lot of issues with gameplay and proposes a solution
http://www.teamliqui...topic_id=321242 

Then there's this whole other issue with how Blizzard has been supporting the esports scene (they don't), and how they treat their maps (but that's been getting better).

[Vasparian]

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Yeah I will just call you a liar. A really funny liar, but a liar. 

[nevar00]

Tony208 wrote...

If this statement follows the precedent of previous ones regarding ME3, we've won!

Just do a complete 180 of what they've said and we got new endings!

Good god man you may be on to something!  Now all we need is for Casey Hudson to promise that they will just be cutscenes clarifying the Starchild nonsense and we should be all set!






This 'artistic integrity' arguement really makes me shake my head.

True artists suffer for their art.  Now, Bioware, you must suffer.

YOU WILL FEEL THIS.

That PAX panel should be an amusing watch.

[The Divine Avenger]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

mrderp27 wrote...

so, why wasn't this in the game originally?

Artistic integrity.

lol at this

[MustacheManatee]

Everything about the way this has been handled is shameful. From the PR to the game itself.

[zephyr2025]

Vasparian wrote...

Yeah I will just call you a liar. A really funny liar, but a liar. 

Huh. Basically everyone in the SC2 scene, especially Team Liquid, pretty much always hates on Blizzard. Interesting how others perceive them.

[Sublyminal]

Vasparian wrote...

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Yeah I will just call you a liar. A really funny liar, but a liar. 

He's right SC2 sucked ass, was nothing compared to 1. Also the fact that they're selling the three races as three seperate games is as bad as it gets.

[The Divine Avenger]

nevar00 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

If this statement follows the precedent of previous ones regarding ME3, we've won!

Just do a complete 180 of what they've said and we got new endings!

Good god man you may be on to something!  Now all we need is for Casey Hudson to promise that they will just be cutscenes clarifying the Starchild nonsense and we should be all set!






This 'artistic integrity' arguement really makes me shake my head.

True artists suffer for their art.  Now, Bioware, you must suffer.

YOU WILL FEEL THIS.

That PAX panel should be an amusing watch.

because THIS HURTS YOU

[Kamuchi]

N7Gold wrote...

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

They seem to love the term "artistic integrity"... I sense a lot of arrogance in it.

Agreed. There isn't any artistic integrity in that ending, and if BioWare had any, they'd remake the ending so it was actually artistically appropriate for the series.

If they had any true artistic integrity, they should stay true to their word and create multiple endings that play out depending on how high our Galactic Readiness is, and how many war assets we have. For example, I believed the Advanced Power Relays war asset for the Crucible would prevent the destruction of mass relays since the war asset's purpose is to regulate power surges in the Crucible, preventing power overloads. I thought wrong. I guess they scratched all that out because its too complex for their "artisitc integrity"... More like "blind arrogance".

When discovering that on my second play trough it was exactly what i was thinking "oh, so i missed this to prevent blowing up half the galaxy!"

Only with childbrat replying "your screwed no matter what you do , ha ha" 

Modifié par Kamuchi, 05 avril 2012 - 11:42 .