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[IcyDude]

Rip504 wrote...

"proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game"

Are they trying to tell us something? Hmmmmm

[ArchLord James]

You can polish a turd, but it is still just a turd. Congratulations BW, you made me hate the reapers and want to confront/defeat them, and then in the last 5 minutes you said HAHA just kidding the reapers are noble gods who we cant even question, their monstrous deeds are all justified, and shepard is even going to agree with them and do exactly what the reapers tell him to do in the end.

Just as the galaxy developed in the reapers preset paths, so will the future develop exactly how the reapers have determined it should, because Shepard is forced to go with their 3 choices, just like galactic civilization guided by the relays. GG reapers win!

[unreal4evr]

I love how they contradict themselves in their last statements. "Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding." "Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

Lulz, if they cared about us fans the answer to that second question would be "Yes." I'm sorry, but the artistic vision thing isn't going to work here. Some sacrifices will have to be made by the team to make this right. Some changes to the existing ending will have to be made in order for it to make any sense, namely the Normandy caught in a mass relay.

For no reason should the Normandy be in there, period, nor should the Normandy crew ever crash land on a random planet, unless of course they send out a distress call and are inevitably picked up by some alliance ships or repair the ship, that could work.

As far as the relays are concerned, I personally think this is easily rectified by showing the alien races working together to rebuild them as well as a new citadel-like place. They already understand the tech and use it in guns, new relays shouldn't be too hard, they did build the crucible after all.

Lastly, if Shepard lives, reunite him with the crew and have something happen there (Rio, tropical retirement, war vid royalities, or something more serious).

Tropical retirement would work with that planet that the Normandy crashes on, however Shepard would have to be there...and Garrus.

Rant complete.

[phat0817]

The Anti-Saint wrote...

phat0817 wrote...

Nah this just doesn't cut it for me. The ending was terrible not dcl trying to clarifying it change that. But what can I do? I'm just refuse to purchase any games made by Bioware. So with that I'm officially done with Bioware and this forums. I hope the dcl lives up to some of your expectations

Well, to be fair, at least they are doing this...although their arms were pretty much twisted by the fanbase. EA could have pulled a Bank of America and told everyone to frack off...wait, I think they did that. Well, they could have done that AND given us nothing.

I'd look out for some veiled shots at the fanbase in the DLC...maybe a background character talking about whining, or entitlement thrown in there some where. Maye even something about the big evil corperations etc. A final FU as they close the franchise forever.

Yep your right a least there doing that and its a free. But doesn't change the facts end ending was terrible and no matter what they say about how they listen to the fans it just seems far from the truth in my opinion. So my business go's with me..But hey what do they care I'm just one out of million other customers

[Tony208]

zephyr2025 wrote...

iiTzCyAniiDe wrote...

zephyr2025 wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...
No offence but how can anyone comment on D3 considering the game isn't even released yet?

Cause Blizzard games are guaranteed to be good? The games may not be everyone's cup of tea but you can't deny they aren't good.

The spend so much time on it.

I can give you loads of reasons why Starcraft 2 is bad. I know people who were going to get D3 but are giving it a second thought because of how badly they made SC2

Lol what? 
it's only bad if you compair the multiplayer proscene to BW

Please do tell how Sc2 is bad...

Here's a couple things for starters
http://www.teamliqui...topic_id=308482 

This thread lists of a lot of issues with gameplay and proposes a solution
http://www.teamliqui...topic_id=321242 

Then there's this whole other issue with how Blizzard has been supporting the esports scene (they don't), and how they treat their maps (but that's been getting better).

The UI isn't that great and there's some other issues. None of it is game breaking though so I don't agree those would make SC2 a bad game.

For SC2 to be as bad as ME3, they'd have to completely mess up things the game is known for. Gameplay and balance.

[UrgentArchengel]

Bioware...seriously guys, you need to wake up, and smell the coffee. You failed; you flat out fell face first into the pavement with the ending, but you still act like nothing happened.

[Butane9000]

Let's put this plainly:

Bioware has chosen to ask for the communities input

They read, or more likely skimmed over it, and chose what was feasible

This was the closure part, which they misconstrued as our one true problem with the game

The made some DLC that involves no gameplay, voice acting or anything else which means

This whole DLC business is a cop out of Bioware trying to say they've done something when in fact they haven't.

[Velocithon]

IcyDude wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

"proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game"

Are they trying to tell us something? Hmmmmm

Proud for making no sense and alienating their fanbase?

Perhaps.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

Yeah.... I remain sceptical about this "dlc". Yeah, sure we asked for closure, which is what we are (hopefully) going to get. But..... what about the nonsensical StarChild? What about the fact that all of our previous actions over the last 3 games are completely ignored in the end? I just.... eurgh.

Hopefully those issues will be addressed in the DLC. Sucks that they are not adding more endings, my Shep would have just told the starkid to f*** off lol.

Hold the line ladies and gents, hopefully Bioware will pull through and give us somethimg at least a little less dissapointing.... though it's still probably going to be utter nonsense. Or Space , everyone loves that.

[Kenshen]

Draconis6666 wrote...

I think the most telling factor is that its supposedly going to take 2-3 months to create a DLC that's just cutscenes and an epilogue with no gameplay. Which says one of two things to me,

1.) The ending is so bad that the writers don't even understand their "masterpiece" well enough to figure out how to explain it.

2.) They don't care enough to actually put any effort into its development and are going to continue to put most of their efforts into paid DLC, while half-assed working on this to placate the "stupid people who don't get it"

probably both.

3.  They are hoping 2-3 months is enough time for all this hate and rage to go away which I think it will but there will be side affects to that.  The one thing that will be very telling is what kind of sales numbers they get when they do release a dlc that we would have to pay for.  I don't expect those numbers will be very good and then they will realize just how bad they messed up and it will be too late at that point.

[stuka1000]

So no new endings just a lame attempt to explain the trash they originally came up with! Someone once said that you cannot truly judge someone elses creative vision because quite simply you are not them and are not in their mind. This is true to a certain extent but we can certainly judge whether or not we like something. Just about every media source that are not already in EA's pocket have said the endings are crap; even some that took EA's side at first changed their tune when they actually finished the game and still EA don't get the message. I just have this image in my head of the EA suits sitting around their rosewood table with their fingers in their ears shouting la la la whenever the subject of ME3 comes up.

Well, for my couple of cents this proves that Bioware are truly gone, at least the heart and soul of Bioware and I can't imagine it being too long before Dr.Ray finds himself thrown into that same blackhole that Mark Jacobs was sacrificed to; I hope he enjoys the trip and goes down hearing the BW fans voices in his ears. I think that my wallet will remain shut from now on whenever anything with EA on the box comes along. Speak with your money people, it's all they understand.

[mass perfection]

KaeserZen wrote...

This summer, seriously ?

Well, I hope it's for the best...

Because it takes a long time to just make a 30 min long cutscene.
/Sarcasm

[mrderp27]

IcyDude wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

"proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game"

Are they trying to tell us something? Hmmmmm

"we're drunk"

[liquiddemon]

All our choices played out during the game. What choices that u made were left floating?

Lack of showing your war resources are a different story which hopefully is addressed with extended cut.

[MsKlaussen]

AkeasharK wrote...
The DLC isn't out so no one can claim it doesn't 'Fix' anything with the endings.

No, you are right. But there are quotes to indicate what was not done, such that we can conclude that the problem has not been solved. Bioware has used the word 'clarify' to describe what the DLC will do. This is essentially the same thing as using the word 'spin'. Why? Because they've already said they:

1) Did not add any additional endings, which would address the 'all roads have led to Rome regardless of choices' complaint.

2) Did not make any modifications to the dependence of the SP game on MP participation, which would address how close to impossible it is to survive the saga due to the inability to achieve enough EMS without restarting the entire series and following an impossibly tight scripted response pattern.

3) Very well may not have addressed any of the improbabilities of the current outcomes given Shepard's character all through the series.

4) Did not address the deus ex machina feel of the whole 'God-Child' angle which exists on its own and also bolsters the complaints described in #1 above.

All leading to the impression that this is lipstick on a pig.

AkeasharK wrote...
Why should any creator apologize? At least you're getting something. Some folks have been waiting since KotOR 2 was released for a patch fixing the endings (which were more than 5 minutes of rubbish)  I might as well ask George R Martin to apologize for the midnumbingly soul crushing bludgeoning that the Song of Ice & Fire is.

Not referring to you in particular here, but I have to say that this "something is better than nothing" and "you're complaining about free stuff" rebuttal is patently absurd. Absurd enough that I can virtually guarantee that such a response to those posters unfulfilled expectations in any other purchasing transaction would be intolerable. If you can name any other product you currently own which has not delivered anywhere near what was advertised that you would have accepted some free consolation gift for which by the company's admission, would achieve nothing towards addressing your original purchasing decision, I will retract this answer. But I am fairly sure you cannot, and certain you cannot if I add the caveat of you feeling like you've been done a favor.

As for the apology, apologies are sweet, but they don't solve the issue. If my brand new car breaks down in the driveway of a dealership seconds after the ink on my contract dries, I don't want an apology. I don't want a free fragrance tree or embroidered floormats to carry with me on the bus. I was led to believe I was paying for a working car. I need to be leaving in one.

While you're at it, don't tell me the paperwork is done and nothing needs to be done at DMV only for me to find out after I'm in the driver's seat that the car can't be driven until I register it. When I bring that to your attention, file the registration paperwork. Don't tell me you're sorry and offer me mag wheels on a car I still can't drive because you will not file the registration form you assured me would be filed. Especially when lack of that assurance was a known dealbreaker.

There are plenty of other analogies for paid products and services that could be substituted here if you don't like this one. But whichever one you choose, the concept of "deliverables" is still the same. I paid for a self contained single player game that I was assured I was buying and which had no dependence on the multiplayer edition at all. That's not what I got, and there is to this point, no effort to rectify it. I bought all three games with the understanding that my choices determined the outcome. While technically one can claim they do, to equate being able to choose the wood used for my coffin from three possibilities with my choices "determining the outcome" is disingenuous at best - while legally sustainable it is not particularly ethical.

Where not having to answer for artistic choices is concerned, I can offer that Apple Computer can teach us a lot about the results of designer misunderstandings involving the subordination of customer satisfaction and delivery of what was advertised to artistic whim.

Ultimately, the only leg so-called "pro-ending" people have to stand on here is their own priority placed on these issues. They have no basis for the implication that anyone here should simply be silent and satisfied whether or not they got what they were told they were paying for. And even less basis for making them feel such expectations are something to be ashamed of. That the problem is with them and their "entitlement complex". That's nothing but conformist ideology. Mass Effect was not a gift these people are ungrateful for. It is a product they paid for and did not get.

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 06 avril 2012 - 12:30 .

[shepskisaac]

Some promising Tweets from Mike Gamble:

https://twitter.com/...928555408211968

Extended cut was one of the things I alluded to. We are working our butts off to make this amazing, gratifying, and over to you ASAP.

https://twitter.com/...929762017193984

@GambleMike Not gonna lie, we do appreciate the effort. Still kind of worried that Meer/Hale have said they weren't contacted for VA yet...

don't worry. All that is in the works

https://twitter.com/...042687893610496

@GambleMike so from the press release I'm understanding all the dlc will be is a few cinematics? Thats not what most wanted....

no. It won't just be a 'few cinematics'

https://twitter.com/...045946754564096

@GambleMike easier than fixing what's really broke. I hear you're not even including voice actors??? How will this take months?

@CoPilotRogerM you heard wrong.

Especially the one about Extended Cut not being "just a few cinematics" makes me excited

[Mr. Tanner]

I would find it interesting to hear how Mr. Hudson would describe the differences between the endings and how they relate to our individual story. He did, after all, say that the endings would be different and bring a satisfactory conclusion to the story. Maybe at PAX someone could ask him to outline the differences between two random Shepards and how that created a difference in the ending of the story.

[BentOrgy]

Velocithon wrote...

Proud for making no sense and alienating their fanbase?

Evidently.

[DarkShadow]

no. It won't just be a 'few cinematics'

Yeah, it will be 'several cinematics' and some textboxes.

[Clayless]

Hopefully all the Retakers will leave now.

[Myrmedus]

I'm angry and I feel disappointed. But I do also feel a little guilty in case I'm wrong about what's coming.

Having said that, I'm not too fussed if we're being pissy at BW and they turn out a great DLC because I'm sure we'll all eat copious amounts of humble pie and they'll be right back in our good books again if what they say they're doing is indeed done.

But again...I'm still skeptical.

[Candoo]

mass perfection wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

This summer, seriously ?

Well, I hope it's for the best...

Because it takes a long time to just make a 30 min long cutscene.
/Sarcasm

Actually, it does. My son is a graphics designer for a small game company, and according to him, the hours that go into a 5 minute sequence is astounding.
This said, at this point I strongly believe what we will get is content that has already been developed, but was cut, and / or can be developed further to suit BW's purpose.

[Blue Liara]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Hopefully all the Retakers will leave now.

NEVER!!!!!! 

HOLD THE LINE. 

[Exeider]

ArchLord James wrote...

You can polish a turd, but it is still just a turd. Congratulations BW, you made me hate the reapers and want to confront/defeat them, and then in the last 5 minutes you said HAHA just kidding the reapers are noble gods who we cant even question, their monstrous deeds are all justified, and shepard is even going to agree with them and do exactly what the reapers tell him to do in the end.

Just as the galaxy developed in the reapers preset paths, so will the future develop exactly how the reapers have determined it should, because Shepard is forced to go with their 3 choices, just like galactic civilization guided by the relays. GG reapers win!

It is at this time, that i order my helmsman to disable the safety interlocks on my FTL drive core and plot a kamikaze run into the starchild.

"it's been an honor serving with you gentleman...."  *salute*

-AE