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[Johanna]

As I said elsewhere, I have no idea why Casey and Mac are so bloody married to their goofy, messed up ending.

The Citadel is wrecked.  That sucks.  I love the Citadel.
The relays are toast.  That sucks.  Now I can't holiday on Bekenstein.
I am left to mourn the Mass Effect universe, a universe that gave me so much hope.

*shakes head.*  I'm so depressed.

[Abreu Road]

I will pretend that the extended ending will be written by the guys who wrote Mordin, Tuchanka, Tali, Rannoch and Thane's prayer.

I will expect something like that, and not the pathetic ending written by only two guys who thought Matrix Revolution ending was awesome.

[FS3D]

PotterGaz wrote...

Ilgar92 wrote...

Even if they will make the best ending of all time (which obviously is not going to happen), EA/Bioware still will not see my money ever again.

What? How does that make any sense. They messed up, they are trying to fix it. For free. With time that could be better spent on making other content that they would probably charge for.

Everyone was asking for closure initially (although many will deny it). Now we're being given closure and people have moved the goalposts claiming it's unnacceptable. I'm completely bemused.

Wrong. A great many people were asking for something that actually made sense, took into account all of our choices and didn't invalidate those choices at the end of the game.

I for one emphasised the choices part of the game.

Not only that, but most of us decried the destruction of the relays because of the consequences it would have to the universe as a whole.

These things were declared right at the very start. Accusing us of goalpost-moving is dishonest.

[The Night Mammoth]

Torrible wrote...

sHELLYEA wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Thalador wrote...

It seems that the we are beyond BioWare's comprehension. They did not understand one freaking thing from all our effort to tell them that the ending sucks, no matter how much they extend it and try to clarify it. The donation to C'sP, the cupcakes, the great, constructive walls of texts detailing the numerous game-ruining plotholes and possible ways of retcon, the Indoctrination Theory... all for noth... this. Extended Cut with more cutscenes.

Congratulations, BioWare!

^ THIS! All for nothing.

This....All Day Long

Speak for yourselves, people are thrilled with this.

Speak for yourself, a lot of people clearly aren't.

[N7 Bravo]

i would like it so that they indoctrination theory is true and if you defeated it you wake up at that breathing scene and then bioware can make an ending from that

[LTKerr]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Why is everyone jumping the gun?

Just wait.

We've already waited and for what? If this is true, we have to accept Bioware's lack of reading comprehension and, what is worst:
* StarChild is real (pure Deus Ex Machina and also it's incompatible with ME1 plot, poor writting)
* Shepard listening and accepting the Starchild's bullsh*t (OOC, poor writting again)
* Rainbow explosions (awful writting)
* Turians and Quarians starve to death no matter what you decide in ME1, ME2 and ME3 (huge plothole)
* Galactic Civilization is destroyed. You worked pretty hard in three games for save it and you fail no matter what.
* Citadel will destroy Earth soon (remember, it's 40km long. Dinosaurs were extinguished by a 15km long asteroid. Art!)
* Normandy scapes while Shepard is in the Citadel, leaving him/her behind (plothole or awful writting again)
* Joker somehow knows rainbow explosions can damage the Normandy (Another plothole, poor writting as well)
* Your LI is happily stuck with Joker and other crew members in an awful planet. I insist: (s)he is happy! (plothote, poor writting)
* The final mission is boring, poorly executed, you can't decide anything, linear as hell (poor writting again)
* Infinite ammo, Marauder Shields... so what, the button that switches off all reapers is protected by 4 units? HAH!
* And so on.. no epilogue or more cinematic scenes can fix this mess.

[Trikormadenadon]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Blue Liara wrote...

This is a PR move. They are doing this to try to calm the waters before PAX because they know there is going to be a furore at PAX if they don't do something. This still has little real substance in it.

Also if this does turn out to be true. It is another massive slap in the face. We want a new ending that erases the current one. 

But that was never going to happen, so.....

Well it certainly won't if we stop pushing for it so there is nothing to lose by pushing.

[mattp516]

EA still terrible, but.. I can get behind BioWare again. Thanks.

[Wulfram]

The expiry date is likely just a legal thing.  They don't want to give an open commitment that could see people sueing them if they ever stopped making it available, but that doesn't mean they actually plan to stop making it available.  IIRC there was an expiry date on Shale, but it passed without incident.

[CarGryph]

Velocithon wrote...

People are forgetting what we fought for.

If there are ONLY cutscenes, that means we STILL have just THREE choices (Red, Blue, Green). We still have the SAME dialogue options (none). Our choices STILL don't matter.

THAT WAS A MAJOR POINT of the fight and Bioware dicked up again by just adding more movie scenes.

More personalized for each player? Oh, is the EMS counting again? Ah, well...

Before we get a screw-up out of this free DLC thingy I'd rather like to imagine IT to be fully true and to think Shep and the whole Galaxy fleet kicked the Reapers ass.

As someone else pointed out already: I don't want to see how I get abandoned by my best mates and witness the death of millions on the Citadel. No, really, thanks, but no.

[DarkShadow]

sHELLYEA wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Thalador wrote...

It seems that the we are beyond BioWare's comprehension. They did not understand one freaking thing from all our effort to tell them that the ending sucks, no matter how much they extend it and try to clarify it. The donation to C'sP, the cupcakes, the great, constructive walls of texts detailing the numerous game-ruining plotholes and possible ways of retcon, the Indoctrination Theory... all for noth... this. Extended Cut with more cutscenes.

Congratulations, BioWare!

^ THIS! All for nothing.

This....All Day Long

This. All the time.

[Abe-kun]

Sounds good. One more reason to wait summer.

[Tleining]

Hihoshi101 wrote...

This is fake guys!!!!

HERE is the real EA News site... I

There is no new news there and Why would they post this before PAX where why plan to have BIG news

Will wait till tomorrow to give up hope

I'm going to go with this one for now. EA making an announcement before Bioware? Just before PAX? Seems a bit odd to me.

[MrFob]

If this is is true then: Ladies and Gentlemen: YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

Now we'll have to wait for what comes but I want to say one thing: Thank you!!!!!
To BioWare for making this effort and for truly listening and to all of you guys on the forums. Because we HELD the LINE!
I really hope the guys from BW come up with something amazing because they have shown with the first 99% of ME3 what they can do. I know that we don't know what comes yet but oh I am happy!!!!

EDIT: To all the guys who are already starting to complain in this thread:The news is rather vague on what exactly they are going to do. All it states for certain is that they are going to make a DLC about the ending which will be available for free. That is all I can take out of there with 100% certainty. Just wait for details before starting to theorize and complain.
And it was never going to happen that everyone gets exactly what they were dreaming about. I think that we get anything (and for free) is beyond what we could ever hope for. Again, IF this is legit.

Modifié par MrFob, 05 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[phototed]

I am wearily optimistic. I hope this DLC ending answers the questions that it has left open.Certainly would love more, but, we shall see how it is handled!

[Amish Love Machine]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

This is a LIE
http://www.ea.com/news is the REAL EA news column.

Then Forbes is lying too I suppose.

Modifié par Amish Love Machine, 05 avril 2012 - 02:31 .

[sp0ck 06]

the_geo_law wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Blue Liara wrote...

This is a PR move. They are doing this to try to calm the waters before PAX because they know there is going to be a furore at PAX if they don't do something. This still has little real substance in it.

Also if this does turn out to be true. It is another massive slap in the face. We want a new ending that erases the current one. 

But that was never going to happen, so.....

You don't know that... The thing we have on our side is being right. The thing they have is time... where people like you start to cave like spineless jellyfish. You put pressure on EA through the wallet, through the social media... blast them in an honest but critical fashion... you see, to date Bioware's biggest advertiser has been us... WE have told people about how we love Mass Effect and that turns other onto them... at least I do, cuz I have friends... maybe not ALL do here but... you get my point. If Bioware and EA tell me that they are not going to fix the wrong they commited at the end of my game... then they are letting me know they do not want my business and they do not wish for me to encourage people to buy their products. Its that simple.

Speak for yourself, but "we" do not all want a new ending.  I like the endings, I just want some answers and some explanation of what happened afterwards.

[Niniva]

the_geo_law wrote...

Torrible wrote...

sHELLYEA wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

Thalador wrote...

It seems that the we are beyond BioWare's comprehension. They did not understand one freaking thing from all our effort to tell them that the ending sucks, no matter how much they extend it and try to clarify it. The donation to C'sP, the cupcakes, the great, constructive walls of texts detailing the numerous game-ruining plotholes and possible ways of retcon, the Indoctrination Theory... all for noth... this. Extended Cut with more cutscenes.

Congratulations, BioWare!

^ THIS! All for nothing.

Three people agreed with it... you didn't and you told them to speak for themselves... while you, one, should people for the majority? 

I agree with them. Thats US 4, you 1

This....All Day Long

Speak for yourselves, people are thrilled with this.

[FlyinElk212]

What I don't get is EA/Bioware's insistence on the word, "Clarity". As if, the ending was so vague and confusing, that it needs "further clarification".

Doesn't Bioware see a problem with that??

[Reapinger]

I'm thrilled. I didn't expect them to flatout change the ending. I hardly expected them to do much of anything with the game except DLC. Now I get clarity, and hopefully closure. That's all I've wanted all along. A sense of "my choices matter, and I know exactly what happened"

[ZombieJohn84]

You know, if you think about it, Bioware has made all the right moves to disband the Retake movement.  First they made us wait for so long that we began to crumble under the weight of our own "speculations" and debates.

Then they threw us a bone.  It's not what we asked for but it's something and its free.  Really, what more can we do or ask for at this point?  If we continue our fight we really will look like the entitled brats IGN said we were.

So Bioware has actually pretty ruthlessly shut us down.

...Or the "clarifications" will be awesome and surprise us all.  But I really don't know how those endings can be salvaged.  But who knows, maybe they'll be peer-reviewed this time and we'll at least get a real sense of closure and not just a "huh?"

At this point I'm half and half:  cautiously optimistic and cynical, big time.

[Balek-Vriege]

This has been the most realistic "solution" so everyone should at least give their hats off to them for listening, but it still won't appease those who want entirely different endings. Remember though the more they do to change the endings with gameplay etc, the more likely it's going to cost something (especially if they bring voice actors back and the whole team). Again this should be taken as a good first step by any retakers (better than nothing) at least, but if you still want more keep asking for it since this will be a free dlc and is most likely the only fix.

If I was a "retaker" (I hate labeling ) that did want more I would continue to push for something like dlc which have an impact on ending variation. However now the anger has to subside and more constructive ideas would have to be forwarded (that are also based on what they do with the ending going foward). Part of the problem wih the retake movement is that there are so many variations of what people want:

-Clarify
-IT theory
-Not clarify and make things even more unexplained
-Take out Catalyst/Starbrat
-Take out Anderson/TIM
-Add a a final boss similar to any Final Fantasy game etc. (Harginger)
-Take out red blue green
-Add happier endings or don't make the Normandy always Crash
-Add epilogue/visuals of what happens to other characters (part of clarify really).
-Remove everything post Ronnoch and rewrite.
-Remove everything post Cererbus base and rewrite.

While all these are not mutually exclusive from one another, the ending could get convoluted and lose it's philosophical bent (which is part of their artistic integrity argument which I agree with, since i'm one of those "pro-enders" ).

Alex Arterius wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Alex Arterius wrote...

I still feel them giving us this is way more than what any other game company would do...

How can you even say that? It's factually inaccurate.

Apologies if so.

Who else has done this?

The only one I know of is Bethesda with Fallout 3. They patched the ending with Broken Steel I think, a paid for DLC that gives you extra gameplay post ending where the main character used to die. There were a lot of problems with it because it didn't make sense if you brought Fawkes along (who's a Supermutant, immuned to radiation) for example.

The new ending has the main character wake up after being hosed with rads which doesn't make sense either, but the Fallout universe gets a pass on these things and it leads to one of the best DLCs ever.

I would love to see a Broken Steel dlc for Mass Effect, but the various endings would make that hard.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 05 avril 2012 - 02:33 .