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[Hogge87]

I just have one thing to whine over now: that it's the end of the best franchise of this generation.

Please get to your senses and start working on a second trilogy for the next generation. With Shepard and the old characters.

[Seryndras]

So this is it, then. They're adding, not changing anything. This really means that their Deus Ex Machina stunt remains, the lazy and lame "introduce a character in the last 5 minutes" insult remains, and the three core endings remain.

They are not going to comment on the things they said prior to release. "How could everyone get the same ending?" "It's not going to be an A, B or C choice, no no!"... they'll leave it at that, with all the pride in their epic artistic integrity as they can muster. Good for them. Really.

But bad for me. The ending ruined the franchise for me. And it scares me - there is nothing at all stopping them from recreating their amazing "artistic integrity" for the next game they do. So, this is it, Bioware failed - despite all expectations I had - to make a game I would have fond memories of. I guess time to say goodbye.

[sfam]

Dear Bioware, you now have 60+ pages of response to your announcement that you're shifting your resources to add more details to the ending. We can draw a few conclusions:

- Your core fans are not content with explaining why the star child is a valid idea
- You still are telling everyone the radical shift in narravie in the last 5 minutes was valid, but still, nobody is buying it.
- This minor addition (referred to many as shining a turd) is not going to change the direction of the insanely bad word of mouth ME3 now has
- Sales are still going to plummet.

You can fix this by taking the next step. You need a game changer. The answer is clear - fix the ending by returning to your most awesome narrative. Remove the star child and bring what would be a relatively straightforward ending home.

Modifié par sfam, 05 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Apollo-XL5]

I can't believe people are still moaning/whineing about this. It's going to be free and it will give us a longer more explored ending.

God the maturity level of sine of you moaners is beyond belief.

Bioware thank you for listening to us

[Velocithon]

To all who think we are whining, no.

We WANTED this clarification. We WANTED additional cutscenes that gave closure.

But what we REALLY WANTED, was our choices back. For OUR choices to MATTER.

Right now, that isn't going to happen. Everything is staying the same, nothing matters, and worse of all we still have no choice over anything since this is all cutscenes.

[mrcanada]

I'm of the camp now that if you actually liked the ending and think it fits, you're an idiot.

Nothing about the ending makes any sense and if you are satisfied with all choice being taken out of your hand, nothing being explained to you at all including your enemies origin, a god child appearing out of thin air, how you even got to the Citadel and why Harbringer just let you enter etc. and no resolution to any of the characters and decisions you made in the trilogy. You just aren't a very smart person and would be satisfied playing with a ball and stick in your backyard.

Fans who actually pay attention and invest theirselves in a story and its characters deserve more.

Modifié par mrcanada, 05 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Whiskey Jay]

If I feel cheated again...I am done with this franchise. I don't wanna quit the series but I am extremely disappointed additional endings are not forthcoming. All three endings were very disappointing for me. The series was an emotional rollercoaster...in all three endings the wheels came off and the rollercoaster went airborne....an then crashed into the restrooms. It covered everyone in poop and ruin. Strange analogy but somehow...it fits. Mass Effect 3: Poop and Ruin. "Take depression back!"

[XSarenXArteriusX]

lets make it free and clarify, people dont want the clarification, you cannot clarify crap, it still looks and smells bad, your also ****ting on the fact all the choices made in 1 and 2 still mean jack ****ing ****, i mean the fact i chose to save the rachni queen for her to be turned into a reaper breeding ****, was pointless, and if i KILL the last remaining rachni queen, one still shows up? the ****? the choices we told the quarians to NOT go to war with the geth, and no matter what, they do anyway, seems like the only choices that matter is, mordin legion and wrex surviving

all in all, hey its free, extra content cool, but its still not fixed, yet hold the line

PS someone ask at PAX 'WTF bioware, WTF' and when they read the scripted response, re itterate no in your own words, what the ****? and watch them say, cause i got a nice pay check you guys got ****, go cry

I support official boycott of EA/bioware games if this doesnt pan out the way it truly should

[soulprovider]

VinHikaru wrote...

Clarification = "You see here, this color isn't just red. It's actually more like a burnt amber with traces of crimson."

I'll hope for the best but am really expecting the worst. Fans want closure but, more importantly, they want an ending that makes sense with the themes established voer the previous 3 games. I'll even concede the need to sacrifice certain species for the greater universe to survive the Reaper attack. What I still don't understand is the sudden conflict between synthetics and organics. While the Reapers are synthetic, I don't think the fact they are synthetic and this opposes the organic nature of most species was ever really emphasized in the entire series. Clarifying this point in a few scenes is unlikely to successfully shoehorn in this idea for a conclusion that took 3 games and many years to develop.

Closure is fine, but my real problem with the ending was that it introduced random ideas that really did not fit in with the rest of the Mass Effect story...and not in a cool plot twist kind of way. Just in a weird "WTF did that come from that makes no sense" way.

Unless the DLC blows my brains out with how awesome it is, I will unlikely purchase any future ME3 DLC. Not because I'm boycotting Bioware, but because I just don't have the heart to continue a story I know ends so poorly.

Every time a new Bioware game comes out, I'll wonder if the developers decide to throw away the themes the game is based on and touted in its advertising during the last 10 minutes of the game. And then I'll likely put it back on the shelf and buy something else with my hard-earned money.

gotta figure out how to merge posts hope a mod can taker care of that for me

just wanted to clarify this for you, ME2 states that the reapersare actually a hybrid of flesh and steel and not wholely synthetic instead they are the combined indoctrinated minds of the reaces they harvested, meaning guess what, if you pick the synthesis ending you turn everyone in the galaxy into reapers. You pick the control ending and you just reset the cycle and you pick the destroy ending you commit genocide for no reason, Is bioware trying to turn our thinking into genocide or cyberize or control.

[EsterCloat]

Legendaryred wrote...

@GambleMike
Extended cut was one of the things I alluded to. We are working our butts off to make this amazing, gratifying, and over to you ASAP

They also said ME3 proper would answer all our questions, show all our decisions mattered in big ways, and would have numerous different endings.

So you know, grain of salt and judgement reserved and all that jazz.

[chaosbeing]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

"We're releasing free DLC this summer in order to address the 'ending' issue."

8D

"We're not changing the endings, though. Just making additional cutscenes to explain what happened to you dumb little buggers who can't grasp our artistic awesomeness."

8(

:|

X(

I'll try it since it's free, but way to miss the point, fellas.

That's pretty much what I got from the blog post too. 

[Sesshaku]

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

The hell with your "artistic vision" (vision produce by drugs i believe). Why the hell you promised us different endings just to tell us now that "that's against our artistic vision".

ARE YOU F KIDDING US?

THE WHOLE SERIES IS BASED ON THAT. What artistic vision can possibly justify to ruin that ????

Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard’s story.

You're proud of the ending? Seriously? REALLY REALLY REALLY?...

Also, "some of the fans", c'mon...i still haven't met ANYONE in real life that liked the endings.



That's it, Bioware definetly lost their minds.

[VigilancePress]

Okay, I just read the FAQ

This has moved me from marking the original press release as a "Win" to a "Wrong Move, BioWare."

First off, taking the opportunity with both press releases to tout how much critical acclaim you got was a HUGE mistake. We are the customers, and we say your endings were terrible. It doesn't matter what critical scores you got, what matters is that you made us angry. You should be coming out with an apology, but you keep saying how proud you are. That pride is going to be your downfall.

Secondly, the FAQ promises that there will be no "New" endings, and that you're only looking to provide clarity and context. That doesn't connect with Casey's statement that we'll have a more 'Personalized' ending for our games. So, once again, it looks like Casey is talking out of his backside.

See, this right here? This is where you lost us, BioWare:

Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made
in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like
more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a
new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and
answers to the end of Commander Shepard’s story.

So how does that line up with this quote from Casey Hudson?


“We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide
the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the
ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each
player.”


I can't understand how 'no new endings' will be more personalized when there are only *3* endings... or 1, depending on how you interpret the game's hallucinatory narrative.

You've incited a riot, BioWare, not quelled it. Brace yourselves for a lousy time at PAX.

Holding the Line.

[YonatanJ]

They don't care if you will like it or not, if anyone will actually. This is a pure PR move taken by EA to divide the protest group and make the press side with Bioware and EA again. The thing is, that most of us wanted the ending changed, whilst they just offer minor tweaks and maybe an epilogue, this way, one half of the former protest group calls the other one, which still protests for a new ending, "whining, entilted kids" while the press praises EA for listening to its fans.

We lost.

Modifié par YonatanJ, 05 avril 2012 - 04:47 .

[durasteel]

anorling wrote...

In the current ending Bioware shows you a turd, and the fans asks "wtf is this???" and Bioware says nothing.

With the clarification DLC its more like this:
Bioware shows you a turd, and the fans asks "wtf is this???" and Bioware says "it's a turd".

This actually made me laugh out loud.  Thanks, I needed it.

[CheeseEnchilada]

There's not enough details for me to get excited, or rage, or feel anything in-between. I'm disappointed that 'artistic vision' has been brought out yet again, but that's about it. I'll just wait and see what happens.

[Mcfly616]

I'm fairly certain I said, just an epilogue with a few extra scenes that "clarify" the current stupidity that is the endings, is a bigger slap in the face than the current endings lol


How pathetic.....Star Jar is the final boss? Not a word from Harbinger.....not a battle.....wow....so done

[Lookout1390]

Wow...even on the brink of losing a majority of your fanbase, they still play the Artistic Integrity card.

I don't want clarity on a ****ty ending, I just wanted a proper ending.

Nothing to account for choices, just a few more minutes of cut-scenes.

it's been fun, bioware

I hope EA goes bankrupt soon, so atleast at the expense of the Mass Effect series, the world is without 1 corporate monster.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 05 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Johanna]

macroberts wrote...

Also, hey look, the BBC.

http://www.bbc.com/n...nology-17626125

"The extension to Mass Effect 3 is a high profile example of a publisher responding to fan demands, even if they were a vocal minority." 

Modifié par pants witch, 05 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Sydeno]

Well i'm sorry to say that, but I didn't want an extended ending, I wanted OTHERS endings, depending on choices I made (and I'am pretty sure i'm not the only one)

Hudson and Muzika didn't understand the problem is their lies... They didn't understand that saying "there won't be A B C ending" is what disturbs us!

So, I'm waiting for this DLC, but if it is as I understood the annoucement, it won't please the ME customers and fans...

[stysiaq]

Siansonea II wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Still LMAO about being proud of spacekid.

What's so funny? These are the same people who came up with "let's just kill Shepard and bring him back to life immediately" when presented with the problem of resetting the character to 1st Level and taking away all his equipment. The same people who thought it would be cool if our Alliance operative worked for a terrorist group with a history of executing high-level Alliance officers and various squads of Marines, while also performing sick experiments on sentient beings like the rachni, not to mention torturing Corporal Toombs. Oh yeah, Shepard would get in bed with those guys without exploring any other options first, totally believable. The same people who thought it would be cool to fight an embryonic Human Reaper as the Final Boss. And...why were the Reapers making a Human Reaper? To "preserve humanity in Reaper form"? Oh, good thing we stopped THAT from happening in ME2, instead of, you know, trying to forestall the ACTUAL REAPERS that were almost at our doorstep (and that Dr. Kenson and her Dumbdoctrinated pals were well aware of for some time). Yeah, that writing team came up with Starchild. So of course they'd be proud of him. They think it's good writing. You can lead a horse to water...

yes, but Lazarus project and space abortion boss are ME2 issues, and, as stupid I may sound, I never had any problem with the human reaper, beside some cheezy lines and I completely understand Cerberus retcon from some minor side-quest group to major player with Martin Sheen face. I'd also consider Lazarus Project to be similar to the Crucible - bad writing, but introduced early enough to forget about it, or accept it after several hours into the game.

But last minute plot-twisters are the worst writing practice. And giving that plot-twister a face of Casper the ghost / shiny Bieber is a suicide.

Sadly, Human Reaper does not have a purpose, but I'd be happy with no explanation, because Reapers motives were meant to be impossible to understand. However with the synthetic vs organic ending it is truly pointless.

[Tleining]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

Extra VA work has been confirmed by Gamble.

Where??

Yeah... Where ??? 

twitter twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/187929762017193984

[XSarenXArteriusX]

Take then extended cut, but hold the line, think like a cat, this paltry offering we will take, but we demand more and wont stop

[Ahdia]

I'd hoped that it was an IT theory or that they would use that idea since most of the writing was done for them by fans. At least that would have made for a kick a** ending. ( to me anyway ) *look, it was all a dream* - cuts to real ending.


I'm both not surprised and horrified at the same time. They Intended  the ending we got. I really have no idea what to say. Despite everything, they still cling to the notion that they're freakin brilliant and the ending is a true piece of art. That's not artistic integrity, that's EGO.
I'm an artist, before I create anything I ask myself what I would like to add to the world, what does this world need. If at any point, thoughts start popping up like how brilliant and amazingly subtle I am, I stop. That's ego wanted to be stroked and fed for the sake of its own self perceived awesomeness. That is not the purpose of art to me. Art is for the masses ( and our inner selves ) if the masses hated my art and were depressed for days over it, I'd publicly burn it myself. I believe as artists, we have a responsibility , we can touch people at a very intimate level and anything we create, we bring that energy into the world.  What do we as artists want to do when something we create makes people vulnerable, do we use it for our own personal means, or do we foster that and hopefully help encourage something wonderful within  people. Art isn't about how brilliant you are, it's ideas that you're trying to express , inner feelings, thoughts, but it's also about what you want to give to people, to the world.

I'm completely disgusted with Bioware/EA at this point and can't allow myself to be part of their  "Vision"  I mourn the loss of my favourite rpg company. I think that's just as hard as the endings we got.

Shame Bioware and EA. Shame.


Anyway, sorry for the rant. I half expected this but hoped it wouldn't be true


*sighs* Ugh

P.s. I own BG and BG2. KOTOR, Jade empire. ME1, ME2 CE, ME3 CE. DA1 CE, DA2, NWN and expansions, NWN gold and diamond.
I asked for an N7 hoodie from my husband for valentines day. I gave him ME3 for his birthday. ( after ME3, we both apologized for the giving those gifts ) I think I have most dlc you ever made. I could be considered a loyal fan. As of this moment, I'm done. I realize now that what I once loved is lost and gone.

No more cash cow for you.  You get nothing more from me. Consider me boycotting your products.

Edit: for formatting. Sorry about that.

Modifié par Ahdia, 05 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Cyren]

Wait, wait. Hold the damned train!
People are counting this as a win?
The anti-climatic ending stays, the glaring plot-holes will have a huge chance of staying and we get what, a few minutes extra tagged on and everyone is celebrating?

This people is a huge fail. It's a sad, sobbing ending. It isn't a sacrifice, it isn't even a good will thing. This is what you give people to FINALLY shut them UP!