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[Crt272]

Ugh, done with Bioware.

[Lurchibald]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

BioWare, do you have directions for me to get to the CD Projekt Camp?..... I think I'll be going now & I'm taking my wallet with me.

Here: http://www.gog.com/e...d/the_witcher_2 Oh and the best thing? The games are free from DRM. 

[Velocithon]

GoeGi wrote...

The_XBL_Nihilus wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...


This sums up my feelings after reading this announcement.

That is some awesome artistic integrity.

It surely is.

Bioware would pick a 4th option. Just like the cupcakes. 

[Jackal7713]

I am Sovereign wrote...


This sums up my feelings after reading this announcement.

OH THIS IS AWESOME! LMAO:lol:

[Pulletlamer]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

Bioware just release a Tool Set and let people MOD the game , so i can kick that Star Magic Colored God Child out of my game forever, lose that kid and let the game end with Shepard and Anderson conversation.

That would be so disrespectful on your part to want to go against their "artistic integrity" and their vision of the end.

[Spanking Machine]

If adding additional clarification to the current, broken ending is all they are planning I honestly think they might as well not even waste the development costs to produce it. This isnt going to make anyone happy, and the sales of any future DLC or Bioware games is still going to be boycotted by people like myself who have lost all faith in Bioware's ability to craft a coherent and satisfying narrative.

Bioware keeps saying they are listening, but I don't feel like they are hearing what we are saying.

[Well]

A CYA dlc.That will definitely explain Star Child's the reapers are killing us to save us from being killed.I had to shake my head at that.This is just a game.I been a BW fan since BG came out.Since DA 2 I haven't like the direction BW has gone.You guys do something so Epic as DAO ending.I just don't see the reasoning behind the change.You don't know me and I have other companies I can spend money on.So no loss for either of us.For those that are happy with it more power to you.Enjoy.

[Alan Rickman]

[Greer]

Oh, Bioware. You just can't help yourselves, can you? Still being needlessly passive aggressive ("our most passionate fans"; "we stand behind our artistic vision"), still insinuating that those of us unhappy with your ending are just too stupid to understand it ("to provide further clarity and closure"), and still completely missing the point while blaming us for your failure to deliver.

I've said this endlessly since the game dropped, and I'll continue to say it:

No amount of clarity alone will fix this.

None.

No amount of clarity alone will fix the fact that your ending, as it stands, is thematically and tonally divorced from the rest of the series.
No amount of clarity alone will fix that nothing Shepard does in the preceding three games matters at all.
No amount of clarity alone willl fix that Shepard just gladly goes along with ideas that s/he has demonstratively proven false.

Further, you do not get to claim "artistic integrity" and insinuate that it exempts your work from criticism. That's not how this works. If you had made this game solely for yourselves, sure. Stick by your guns. But you didn't. You made it for mass consumption and with the claim that it was made in "collaboration with the fans". That changes the rules. Extensively. (More on that in this lovely article: doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/)

So, with all due respect, Bioware? Shove it.

Modifié par Greer, 05 avril 2012 - 05:50 .

[Skyline45]

Really? Ok sorry Bioware you've lost my confidence.

I will no longer give you any more of my money for your unfinished games. No I will not buy DA3 or the new BG. I wont re-sub to SWTOR after patch 1.2.

I wish you all the best and hopefully my trust will be redeemed later on, but right now It's gonna take a lot.

Here's to Bethesda and CDProjecket. The last devs to put out quality RP games that still have story and not just eye candy.

[x5kevleo]

Yesss no changing the ending, expand it, and no cost
that was what i wanted

[UKillMeLongTime]

sounds like a few screen shots like Fallout 3 or Vegas endings...

that's not fixing it

[TheGreenAlloy]

Torrible wrote...

bigtymers1211 wrote...

I agree with what Paul Tassi of Forbes, who said this is a win for us, lets see what happen with this DLC and see what happens to it in the end. If it is still crappy as usual, then its over and Bioware is dead to me. If somehow (that's a BIG somehow) they can turn it into a decent ending, then all props to them...but for now, we as the Retake movement NEED to see what Bioware brings out. Rememeber, now Patience is a virtue, we forced EA/Bioware to make a move that they do not want in teh first place (free DLC), now lets see what they give us in the end.

Ya, to recap what he said, 

The protesters need to be careful now. If they start saying things like 
“I wanted the ending CHANGED not EXPANDED,” they’re going to get slappedwith the “entitled” and “whiny” labels they hate so much. And at this point, I would finally agree with that classification. This is a win forfans and a concession from Bioware, plain and simple.
Because it’s a compromise, and the Retake movement has to understand they were not going to get a page one rewrite. It just simply would not happen. Even if I was Bioware, and I knew I screwed up, I would not completely abandon the ending I did produce. I would try and alter it and expand on it in an effort to give more resolution and closure to the story, which I thought were the main points of what fans wanted. The fact that a protest movement made a company produce FREE DLC is unprecedented, and the fact that fans can’t seem to celebrate this moment as a win is confusing. If they keep protesting at this point, it looks like they can never be satisfied. Even I, covering this for a long time now, am unclear about what would truly satisfy everyone at this point. I don’t think anything can.

Suer enough, but we may still complain that the endings are inconsistent to the rest of the series. I'll probably have a long, solid list of flaws after this "final" ending.

[The_XBL_Nihilus]

Baldurs Gate Fanboy wrote...

Bioware just release a Tool Set and let people MOD the game , so i can kick that Star Magic Colored God Child out of my game forever, lose that kid and let the game end with Shepard and Anderson conversation.

THIS. 

Have you seen some of the content on deviantART?

Teenagers sitting at home have more artistic integrity than Bioware.

[DubVee12]

Thalador wrote...

EvilBeaver426 wrote...

Daedalus1773 wrote...

dheer wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...
 Hi All - this is true and you can read more here: 
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

Your artistic vision for the end of this arc is awful. It renders the journey meaningless. Clarifying does not help.

"...The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game."

Then you have failed. Utterly and completely.

QFT.

Second

+1

"This may seem a victory to you, BW. A fanbase sacrificed. But even now, your artistic integrity is doomed to fall. Your leaders (Mac Walters and Casey Hudson) will beg to please us. Know this, as you fail in vain: Your time will come. Your company (& EA) will fall."

[Fail_Inc]

Beti88 wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

ME3 Extended = Add a few ending scenes. Be happy it's free

Witcher 2 Extended = Add weapons, entire new quest branches, fixes, Arena combat, extended final act (Wasn't even that bad of a final act, few complaints. Nothing compared to ME3. They still wanted to please fans though), new cutscenes, new difficulty. Free.

This platform came to concensus. This is hereby quoted for truth

Pfft! The Polaks have no artistic integrity!

[ZajoE38]

Damn I like it finished like this. But I really feel sory for IDT fans. It was a good theory. But just the theory, truth will always win and the real ending IS making sense accept it or not. It won't make sense only to blinded people or ones who did't pay enough attention during ME1, 2 and mainly ME3. No one believed us (minority) and now you see it is not awlays the best idea to stick with mass hysteria.

[ungodlike]

I wonder if this will be the epic conclusion that they got us all hyped up about, the one that they promised..... Mass Effect 3 : Extended Cut ...

[Johanna]

DeeLite808 wrote...

love these "fans" who say they are never going to buy a nother bioware game ever again.

Just do it then.

More ltd/collector's editions for me.

Enjoy your limited editions.  This former fan will save her money.

[Evil_medved]

Jackal7713 wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...


This sums up my feelings after reading this announcement.

OH THIS IS AWESOME! LMAO:lol:

[TheSeventhJedi]

Greer wrote...

Oh, Bioware. You just can't help yourselves, can you? Still being needlessly passive aggressive ("our most passionate fans"; "we stand behind our artistic vision"), still insinuating that those of us unhappy with your ending are just too stupid to understand it ("to provide further clarity and closure"), and still completely missing the point while blaming us for your failure to deliver.

I've said this endlessly since the game dropped, and I'll continue to say it:

No amount of clarity alone will fix this.

None.

No amount of clarity alone will fix the fact that your ending, as it stands, is thematically and tonally divorced from the rest of the series.
No amount of clarity alone will fix that nothing Shepard does in the preceding three games matters at all.
No amount of clarity alone willl fix that Shepard just gladly goes along with ideas that s/he has demonstratively proven false.

Further, you do not get to claim "artistic integrity" and insinuate that it exempts your work from criticism. That's not how this works. If you had made this game solely for yourselves, sure. Stick by your guns. But you didn't. You made it for mass consumption and with the claim that it was made in "collaboration with the fans". That changes the rules. Extensively. (More on that in this lovely article: doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/)

So, with all due respect, Bioware? Shove it.

Well said!  Hear hear!

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Artistic Vision? Artistic Choices? What the hell?

Where did the Normandy scene fall into those Artistic Wonders? How can a literary device introduced at the last 5 minutes, which has been proven to be terrible many time, be considered in any way art?

[JoeLaTurkeyII]

Greer wrote...

Oh, Bioware. You just can't help yourselves, can you? Still being needlessly passive aggressive ("our most passionate fans"; "we stand behind our artistic vision"), still insinuating that those of us unhappy with your ending are just too stupid to understand it ("to provide further clarity and closure"), and still completely missing the point while blaming us for your failure to deliver.

I've said this endlessly since the game dropped, and I'll continue to say it:

No amount of clarity alone will fix this.

None.

No amount of clarity alone will fix the fact that your ending, as it stands, is thematically and tonally divorced from the rest of the series.
No amount of clarity alone will fix that nothing Shepard does in the preceding three games matters at all.
No amount of clarity alone willl fix that Shepard just gladly goes along with ideas that s/he has demonstratively proven false.

Further, you do not get to claim "artistic integrity" and insinuate that it exempts your work from criticism. That's not how this works. If you had made this game solely for yourselves, sure. Stick by your guns. But you didn't. You made it for mass consumption and with the claim that it was made in "collaboration with the fans". That changes the rules. Extensively. (More on that in this lovely article: doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/)

So, with all due respect, Bioware? Shove it.

+1

[Vespervin]

So they're only "extending" the current endings? I guess they'll only be "extending" the rage of the Retakers. Because I am sure they wanted different, new endings and not extensions of the already terrible ones.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Greer wrote...

Oh, Bioware. You just can't help yourselves, can you? Still being needlessly passive aggressive ("our most passionate fans"; "we stand behind our artistic vision"), still insinuating that those of us unhappy with your ending are just too stupid to understand it ("to provide further clarity and closure"), and still completely missing the point while blaming us for yourfailure to deliver.

I've said this endlessly since the game dropped, and I'll continue to say it:

No amount of clarity alone will fix this.

None.

No amount of clarity alone will fix the fact that your ending, as it stands, is thematically and tonally divorced from the rest of the series.
No amount of clarity alone will fix that nothing Shepard does in the preceding three games matters at all.
No amount of clarity alone willl fix that Shepard just gladly goes along with ideas that s/he has demonstratively proven false.

Further, you do not get to claim "artistic integrity" and insinuate that it exempts your work from criticism. That's not how this works. If you had made this game solely for yourselves, sure. Stick by your guns. But you didn't. You made it for mass consumption and with the claim that it was made in "collaboration with the fans". That changes the rules. Extensively. (More on that in this lovely article: doycetesterman.com/index.php/2012/03/mass-effect-tolkein-and-your-bullshit-artistic-process/)

So, with all due respect, Bioware? Shove it.

Indeed. 

Modifié par Vespervin, 05 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[jcmuki]

DashRunner92 wrote...

ME3 Extended = Add a few ending scenes. Be happy it's free

Witcher 2 Extended = Add weapons, entire new quest branches, fixes, Arena combat, extended final act (Wasn't even that bad of a final act, few complaints. Nothing compared to ME3. They still wanted to please fans though), new cutscenes, new difficulty. Free.

^^^^this

a company that know how to treat its fans