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[Magical URBS]

Notorious McG wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Sure, don't permaban them, just take away all their equipment and unlocks and reset them to level one.

Why on Earth would you not agree with a permaban? If a player is pro-actively searching for ways to exploit loopholes in games, then the chances are they do the exact same thing with any other game they play.

Ergo, they are cheaters. Cheaters don't deserve the right to play online and enjoy the MP experience in any way, shape or form. Simple.

You just said it.  People like this are weasles.  They are constantly challenging the strength of the product.  Without them, how can you be sure that your product is solid.  It's kinda like hiring a thief to test your home security system.  It is obvious that this game was not put through the proper testing phases that the game deserved.  Let's look at the Vanguard bugs as just one example of non-intended play.  This is bug that is triggered by the code.  Someone that doesn't know that this was a bug would assume that this is cheating right?  This glitch is just that though; a bug that didn't get squished because nobody saw it.  For the company to come forth and fess up to all of these faults that are being found would do a lot of public image damage.  One of you mentioned it was like COD prestige lobbys.  I can see where you are coming from, but you have to evaluate the driving mechanisms that are at play.  In COD, it is a race to a certain finish line.(10th Prestige/ish)  Then you look back and laugh everybodyelse coming across the finish line.  Also, the game has stats that one can boast about against other players.  This is a competitive atmoshpere whereas ME3 is not.  What is to be had here?  You don't like the people you are playing with? Find other players.

[Notorious McG]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

How is buying spec packs any different from farming 40k+ credits every 4 minutes?
Both are ways that allow you to get spec packs in less time and one of these doesn't require you to play mp.

Buying spectre packs with your own money is your own choice, and a decision that is made based on whether or not you are prepared to fork out in order to improve your MP gameplay experience.

Farming 40k credits every 4 minutes is cheating. Plain and simple.

Any further questions/unwarranted abuse for the OP?

[Mandalore313]

Personally I play because I like playing.
I already have the weapons I want, because I've been playing a lot on gold, the only thing left for me is to get them upgraded. And one more thing, what was it now? Oh yeah, the fun of playing.

Since people cheating doesn't affect me personally (like it would if the game had a PvP mode) I couldn't care less. BioWare/EA should, because they are losing money both in possible bioware points and from people getting bored and dropping the game early.


Unless you brag at people for a weapon/character you randomly unlocked on a game on the internet I see no reason why you personally should be offended.

The only one who is at a loss (on the long term) are the cheaters because they'll get bored and stop playing before you do.

[Magical URBS]

Alright guys. There has been no abuse here; just questions. That's what forums are for. Keep it logical.

[xxKenshin Himura]

Notorious McG wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

How is buying spec packs any different from farming 40k+ credits every 4 minutes?
Both are ways that allow you to get spec packs in less time and one of these doesn't require you to play mp.

Buying spectre packs with your own money is your own choice, and a decision that is made based on whether or not you are prepared to fork out in order to improve your MP gameplay experience.

Farming 40k credits every 4 minutes is cheating. Plain and simple.

Any further questions/unwarranted abuse for the OP?

Yeah, got another question.
Both are ways to get spec packs quicker. Why is using money okay, but using farmed credits not? Both are outside sources other than playing gold for 30min to get spec packs, so what is the difference? Bioware gets to suck money out of one of the options, and that is the only difference. Do you work for Bioware? Do you have friends/family who work for Bioware? Then what do you care? If someone spent a million dollars on spec paks, would you care? But they basically did the same thing as farming a ton of credits, only they didn't have to play the game at all. They've got all the best stuff now with no effort, but you are okay with it because they gave money to Bioware. Explain where this begins to make sense.

[Gillityr The Original]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Notorious McG wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

How is buying spec packs any different from farming 40k+ credits every 4 minutes?
Both are ways that allow you to get spec packs in less time and one of these doesn't require you to play mp.

Buying spectre packs with your own money is your own choice, and a decision that is made based on whether or not you are prepared to fork out in order to improve your MP gameplay experience.

Farming 40k credits every 4 minutes is cheating. Plain and simple.

Any further questions/unwarranted abuse for the OP?

Yeah, got another question.
Both are ways to get spec packs quicker. Why is using money okay, but using farmed credits not? Both are outside sources other than playing gold for 30min to get spec packs, so what is the difference? Bioware gets to suck money out of one of the options, and that is the only difference. Do you work for Bioware? Do you have friends/family who work for Bioware? Then what do you care? If someone spent a million dollars on spec paks, would you care? But they basically did the same thing as farming a ton of credits, only they didn't have to play the game at all. They've got all the best stuff now with no effort, but you are okay with it because they gave money to Bioware. Explain where this begins to make sense.

I will give you hint:

One of the methods you describe supports the devlopers and ensures future games form this company.  The other, is just a selfish and dishonest plague on the gaming community.

[Notorious McG]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Notorious McG wrote...

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

How is buying spec packs any different from farming 40k+ credits every 4 minutes?
Both are ways that allow you to get spec packs in less time and one of these doesn't require you to play mp.

Buying spectre packs with your own money is your own choice, and a decision that is made based on whether or not you are prepared to fork out in order to improve your MP gameplay experience.

Farming 40k credits every 4 minutes is cheating. Plain and simple.

Any further questions/unwarranted abuse for the OP?

Yeah, got another question.
Both are ways to get spec packs quicker. Why is using money okay, but using farmed credits not? Both are outside sources other than playing gold for 30min to get spec packs, so what is the difference? Bioware gets to suck money out of one of the options, and that is the only difference. Do you work for Bioware? Do you have friends/family who work for Bioware? Then what do you care? If someone spent a million dollars on spec paks, would you care? But they basically did the same thing as farming a ton of credits, only they didn't have to play the game at all. They've got all the best stuff now with no effort, but you are okay with it because they gave money to Bioware. Explain where this begins to make sense.

Are you for real? Or just trying to incite an argument?

Assuming it's a combination of the two - if someone has elected to spend their own money on the game to improve their gameplay, then they have made a conscious decision to do so. You can't possibly think it's fair to those guys, that someone exploiting a glitch can reap the same (if not more) rewards, as them?

[Gillityr The Original]

I think a lot of the people who are defending various exploits are just trying to manage damage control. They know the banhammer is coming, but they want to keep playing so they also "pwn noobs" and ridicule people who don't score as high as them (especially those who didn't cheat their way to end-game weapons).

Could you cheating clowns be any more obvious?

[jimmyw404]

I haven't ran into anyone doing this on the PC, but I've also never heard of anyone getting banned for it, heh.

[Tenkawa]

Play well and you will rock anyways. My N7 level is approx 90, I pretty much play bronze, and I have the basic weapons at X level. My mid-levelled chars (around 10-14) routinely are the top or just into #2 spot in matches with others who are higher levels. I always go for the objectives and am a team player.

I do not cheat, exploit, or otherwise seek to circumvent the game. I'll occasionally get in over my head by running around a corner I shouldn't have, but that happens to all of us.

I support banhammering players who repeatedly exploit glitches, or deliberately cheat (by modding or otherwise, ban on first instance).

[DiebytheSword]

Meh, MP DM cheaters ****** me off waaaaaaay more than Co-op cheaters. Though it is affecting things like leaderboards and should be corrected.

[draconian139]

Skinner box game design is the root casuse of this type of glitching, I don't really blame the cheaters.

[Magical URBS]

Again, as in my initial post, I hate cheaters. The points I'm am attempting to drive home here are it's not competitive, and people need to make more friends. Those people going rogue and playing with nothing but randoms are asking to meet people that are out to ruin games. People are quoting little tags that aren't even in favor per say of cheating looking for a fight, but honestly, how do you guys think you are shaping the mp community calling people out, and mass-refuting? I have yet to see a calm representation of the pro-permaban side.

[Gogogoh3]

A part of me saw this coming from the beginning. I do agree that it isn't "fair" however "fair" is based on how people (or game makers) view that game should work. Personally I classify this as exploit but doesn't mean I am totally against it. These type of exploitation is bound to happen and some leeway is always needed. That is why the game makers should try to fix the glitch sooner rather than later or just do something about it. Honestly I used the glitch but stopped soon after realizing the bigger picture. In the end I do believe the glitch needs to be fix soon. Thanks for reading.

[Notorious McG]

Magical URBS wrote...

I have yet to see a calm representation of the pro-permaban side.

Bioware and EA introduced the MP aspect to enhance gameplay for their users, and naturally to generate additional profit for themselves. The MP was designed with two very simple ways of buying packs:

1) Investing a lot of time into the game (say 30 minutes for a Gold game = 75k credits)
2) Investing your own money to buy said packs without investing huge amounts of time.

There isn't a third option, which says "well if you don't want to spend either time or money, we've left a little loophole in the game so you can farm the 10th wave on Gold matches and get significantly more rewards than users who select either option 1 or 2." Not as far as I know.

If someone has proactively learnt how to exploit this glitch, they have consciously decided to cheat the game in order to reap the same rewards as people who play/pay for the game the way it was meant to be; which isn't fair to those users.

*calmly* And that's why they should be banned.

[Lolb4udiez]

@xxKenshin Himura, usually people who have replies like yours are people who use the glitch

[draconian139]

Reason I like the glitch despite not using it:if everyone knows about it noone will buy packs with $ and EA will stop being rewarded for embracing unethical Skinner box game design. Its a predatory practice that preys on people prone to addiction and gambling. Its far worse than cheating in my opinion.

[Lolb4udiez]

Modifié par Lolb4udiez, 05 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[suprarj]

I've spent about $10/day for the last week to buy packs because it's busy season for me at work and I don't have time to farm. I finally got around to watching the youtube clip of the credit glitch. I still love MP and will continue to play but I refuse to spend any more real $ to buy packs. I feel like a moron for using real money. Don't get me wrong - I knew from the beginning that it's silly to spend real money for in-game items, however, the fact that people are getting millions of credits per hour with no repercussion somehow makes me feel even worse about it.

[Maria Caliban]

Notorious McG wrote...

The truly galling thing is the fact that these cheats seem to think they are above the law.

So far, they are.

[Magical URBS]

Notorious McG wrote...

Magical URBS wrote...

I have yet to see a calm representation of the pro-permaban side.

Bioware and EA introduced the MP aspect to enhance gameplay for their users, and naturally to generate additional profit for themselves. The MP was designed with two very simple ways of buying packs:

1) Investing a lot of time into the game (say 30 minutes for a Gold game = 75k credits)
2) Investing your own money to buy said packs without investing huge amounts of time.

There isn't a third option, which says "well if you don't want to spend either time or money, we've left a little loophole in the game so you can farm the 10th wave on Gold matches and get significantly more rewards than users who select either option 1 or 2." Not as far as I know.

If someone has proactively learnt how to exploit this glitch, they have consciously decided to cheat the game in order to reap the same rewards as people who play/pay for the game the way it was meant to be; which isn't fair to those users.

*calmly* And that's why they should be banned.

Well, that's more like it, and it has a valid point.  I am afraid, however, that the intent of the inclusion of this side of the game is only a matter of opinion really.  Where I can completly see that Cash Cow intent, I have to lean more to the side of inclusion for the fans.  For people who wanted to keep the battle going even after they finished the fight.  There will always be "Another" option or "Hidden" option if you will that has yet to be laid before us.  The choices are left to us; as in the spirit of the game.  Damage is only done in the multiplayer when someone's pride is hurt, or they feel cheated.  As I said in my earlier post though, buying the packs to overpower ourselves is making an undesired gaming experiece for those who can't afford to keep up.  I believe that the main reason many of you are upset is because YOU feel robbed because you spent money on something that has no value; not even bragging rights.  Bioware could care less, they already make extra bucks by letting us gamble at the packs.  Cheaters ruin the game, yes; but the primary confliction here is the struggle for dominance brought to you by the decision to allow monetary self advancement.

[Sacrificial Bias]

I personally don't think there will be any consequences from this exploit. I suppose one could look at the N7 rating, compare it to the equipment they have, and check on whether they bought any packs with real money or not. But that won't catch the ones who got all the equipment/chars they want and are now playing the game normally and thus have a higher N7 rating.

No, the most they could do is either remove the glitch and do nothing about the cheaters, remove the glitch and then reset EVERYTHING, and MAYBE give those who spent money an equivalent return on the packs they bought(which will still ****** off most legit players), or they ignore this exploit entirely because they're too incompetent to fix it, and lose thousands of dollars on potential profits, then they rely on Dragon Age 3 or future ME3 DLCs to make up the difference.

I think the last possibility sounds the most likely, even though this fiasco would likely hurt the sales of any future releases. I say this because Bioware doesn't have a particularly good record of fixing their glitches. I believe DA: Origins is still broken with the daggers/bows(for PS3 anyways), and a lot of weapons effects apparently don't have any effects.

ME3 Vanguards in multiplayer still get floor glitched, I constantly have sound glitches in which my singularity, stasis, or flame turret is constantly heard throughout the match long after it expires. Also had one match against Cerberus in which our team killed every enemy in the Wave, but it would not point out the last enemy or progress onto the next wave, leaving all of us scratching our heads for 5 minutes before I left(I'm sure that had something to do with 3 of us spamming Concussive Shot).

[Gillityr The Original]

Magical URBS wrote...

Notorious McG wrote...

Magical URBS wrote...

I have yet to see a calm representation of the pro-permaban side.

Bioware and EA introduced the MP aspect to enhance gameplay for their users, and naturally to generate additional profit for themselves. The MP was designed with two very simple ways of buying packs:

1) Investing a lot of time into the game (say 30 minutes for a Gold game = 75k credits)
2) Investing your own money to buy said packs without investing huge amounts of time.

There isn't a third option, which says "well if you don't want to spend either time or money, we've left a little loophole in the game so you can farm the 10th wave on Gold matches and get significantly more rewards than users who select either option 1 or 2." Not as far as I know.

If someone has proactively learnt how to exploit this glitch, they have consciously decided to cheat the game in order to reap the same rewards as people who play/pay for the game the way it was meant to be; which isn't fair to those users.

*calmly* And that's why they should be banned.

Well, that's more like it, and it has a valid point.  I am afraid, however, that the intent of the inclusion of this side of the game is only a matter of opinion really.  Where I can completly see that Cash Cow intent, I have to lean more to the side of inclusion for the fans.  For people who wanted to keep the battle going even after they finished the fight.  There will always be "Another" option or "Hidden" option if you will that has yet to be laid before us.  The choices are left to us; as in the spirit of the game.  Damage is only done in the multiplayer when someone's pride is hurt, or they feel cheated.  As I said in my earlier post though, buying the packs to overpower ourselves is making an undesired gaming experiece for those who can't afford to keep up.  I believe that the main reason many of you are upset is because YOU feel robbed because you spent money on something that has no value; not even bragging rights.  Bioware could care less, they already make extra bucks by letting us gamble at the packs.  Cheaters ruin the game, yes; but the primary confliction here is the struggle for dominance brought to you by the decision to allow monetary self advancement.

Your assumptions are way off base.  I would prefer they removed the "Real money" option, and banned every cheater and exploiter.  Permanently.

[Magical URBS]

suprarj wrote...

I've spent about $10/day for the last week to buy packs because it's busy season for me at work and I don't have time to farm. I finally got around to watching the youtube clip of the credit glitch. I still love MP and will continue to play but I refuse to spend any more real $ to buy packs. I feel like a moron for using real money. Don't get me wrong - I knew from the beginning that it's silly to spend real money for in-game items, however, the fact that people are getting millions of credits per hour with no repercussion somehow makes me feel even worse about it.

I see your side, and I can agree.

[ThomasakaDes_]

I create my own lobbies instead of joining random ones through Quick match, that way I at least won`t get into hacked lobbies.
I don`t even know how to open my PS3 to clean it, so I won`t hack

But you`d probably need a good-ish net to be the host, so that the game doesn`t lag for anyone, I have a good net connection.