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[Apocaleepse360]

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

[Ville L]

I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.

[Cypher61]

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

[thinicer]

Ville L wrote...

I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.

Garbage or not, it's the ending so it's time to just let it go and accept it.

Not that I'm disagreeing it's garbage, but I think this is about as good as it's going to get.

[arthurhallam]

exactly. the retakers should be happy they're even doing this much!

to be honest, i wish the retakers would pipe down a bit now so we can start talking about something else.

[sp0ck 06]

This is the most knee jerk fanbase there is. If I was someone at BW working on this DLC, and I came to these forums to get a sense of where the fans were at, I'd probably purposely go against their wishes because some of the people here are just ridiculous.

[Occulo]

Something tells me the people who are willing to be calm and patient just posted in that thread maybe once or twice and just left it. That's pretty much what I did.

[NM_Che56]

tantrums. all i see are tantrums.

[TreguardD]

You... you were not here for the Deception Flap, were you?

Pointing out everyone for being out of character for the last five minutes isn't ridiculous. It's fact.

[arthurhallam]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

This is the most knee jerk fanbase there is. If I was someone at BW working on this DLC, and I came to these forums to get a sense of where the fans were at, I'd probably purposely go against their wishes because some of the people here are just ridiculous.

lol quite. i mean bioware are people too. they aren't just going to sit there & think, aww these fans mean so well. 

hell no, if i was working for bioware, i'd be like, you know what, screw these idiots, there are plenty of people out there who dont have the time or energy to make noise about their response to the game. if they buy it, that's all i can ask for. 

[Apocaleepse360]

thinicer wrote...

Ville L wrote...

I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.

Garbage or not, it's the ending so it's time to just let it go and accept it.

Not that I'm disagreeing it's garbage, but I think this is about as good as it's going to get.

I'll admit that I'm not a big fan of the ending either, but at least Bioware are offering a fix to the one issue which in my opinion mattered the most - closure. More importantly, they're doing it for free.

[krukow]

Agreed. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see what details emerge. Fer frack's sake, this DLC is FREE! They're trying, let's be appreciative!

[EndrinAmtrum]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

This is the most knee jerk fanbase there is. If I was someone at BW working on this DLC, and I came to these forums to get a sense of where the fans were at, I'd probably purposely go against their wishes because some of the people here are just ridiculous.

Whatever your feelings are going against your customers wishes just to make them angry is a horrible business desicion.  That would probably ensure that you didn't work at BW long lol.

[KaeserZen]

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

The thing is, many fans complained about the writing of the finale, not the just the ending cutscenes.

Introducing an all powerful Deus Ex Machina which provides a convuloted explanation of the ultimate villain we all loved to hate and fear, with a setting that makes so little sense many thought it was unreal, were all really, really bad moves by BioWare.

Especially when everyone agreed they got hooked to their seat for the entire ride, until the last 10 minutes of gameplay !

What fans complained about were also the comments made by the producer and the development team during interviews :

"Endings won't just be A, B or C." This is exactly what they are, even labeled as Red, Green, Blue in the filenames.

"Story won't be resolved by finding an ancient Reaper Off-button." D'uh, this is EXACTLY what we get as well.

Which is why so many feel ripped. Not because they expected a better writing, ultimately, it's their call as to why the Reapers reap, but what they were promised by PUBLIC statements from the development crew.

[Evil_medved]

no

[GrimIntent89]

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

Yeah, pretty much this. Quit crying and just wait and see what they do. 

[Catroi]

Ville L wrote...

I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.

^this

[Sesshaku]

Well im sorry if im not happy with crap.

I can't be happy that bioware "cared enought to be even doing this". It's their jobs not charity. I don't clap on people who crossed the streets on green, its their duty to do so.
And I still want the diverse endings they promised, not a clarification of a failed ending that i suspect will not explain the plotholes. I will give them the right of doubt though, but i suspect that summer is going to be HOOOOOOOOOOTTTT.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 05 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[dheer]

thinicer wrote...

Ville L wrote...
I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.

Garbage or not, it's the ending so it's time to just let it go and accept it.

Not that I'm disagreeing it's garbage, but I think this is about as good as it's going to get.

Sadly, you're probably right. Bioware got their second chance to fix the end and blew it again.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

After seeing some of the reactions and threads, I would rather be with the Call of Duty fanbase

[neubourn]

Yeah, i dont get what all the rage is about this morning.

1.We dont know WHAT the DLC will encompass, so its pointless to rage over something we have no clue on.

And 2.Its free. So if its another failure, at least youre not losing any money this time.

Chalk me up to the "wait and see" crowd on this one.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Hahahaha, EA just crushed the line with that release. Divide and conquer, oldest trick in the book. They're damn good marketers.

[ahandsomeshark]

We don't know how because Bioware hasn't said how. Just more intentionally vague statemeents as part of PR tactics, it could be an epilogue, it could also be 5 minutes of cut scenes. Bioware is the only one who knows and they've CHOSEN not to enlighten us. Which just screams of a PR move to try to derail the issue into the future while continuing on with their original post market DLC plan.

And I think you underestimate how important fans are in the current state of the gaming industry. Fans who pre-oreder, buy new, buy low-cost high price dlc and DON'T buy used are invaluable. Even losing just 5-10% of that section of their fan base would have far reaching economic repercussions because of the nature of the used game market. Games like bioware make the majority of their money from hard core fans who buy in the first 1-2 weeks at full price and who never trade them in become of the constant replayability (which is good because more used games on the market= price drops and fewer new sales).

If 50,000 retakers suddenly stopped doing those things AND traded in their games they would certaintly feel a squeeze. Look at their total sales for ME3 so far, especially if you can find CE editions, and assume they get betwen 30-45 bucks for each of those. Then multiply that 30-45 bucks by 50,000 and then come here and tell me losing those fans won't make a difference. And that's not even taking into account the hard core fans are the ones more likely to buy the 3-5 dollar priced DLC that takes pennies to make (alt appearances, new weapons) That's where a huge chunk of the money comes from and that usually comes from a small percentage of gamers who will eat anything related to the game up. Even if it means paying 5 bucks for what amounts to a new image map and a line of code changing the damage from 17.5 to 27.7.

[BadlyBrowned]

krukow wrote...

Agreed. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see what details emerge. Fer frack's sake, this DLC is FREE! They're trying, let's be appreciative!

Imo, hard to give the benefit of the doubt when I was burned the first time.

[jameshawking]

We're happy to be getting...something. But that happiness is muted because, frankly, it's coming from the wrong area.

I feel like that guy in Mass Effect, literally, who's always looking for a damn refund. Except I actually have a receipt.

"I want my money back" (though we're not asking for that)

"Well...would you like this toaster?"

"I don't have a toaster, so that would be useful I guess....but that's not what i want."

"Well you can have a toaster."

Modifié par jameshawking, 05 avril 2012 - 03:30 .