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[Rothgar49]

agree with OP, lets wait and see what happens at PAX at least huh.

[Ville L]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

After seeing some of the reactions and threads, I would rather be with the Call of Duty fanbase

Atleast they get what they want.

[Moondoggie]

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

Some just don't want to stop. For some people it's not the victory of getting what they want it's the taking part. The feeling of being a part of something and if that ends then they are just another schmuck on the internet saying "Hey remember when we campaigned and Bioware listened?" so they are now notpicking and trying to drive forward a group of die hards to carry on doing it. For these people there won't be any end until they all get bored and jump on another movements bandwagon to get the same thrill.

[Apocaleepse360]

YonatanJ wrote...

EA got what they wanted, thats for sure. I must say that this is one of their smartest PR movements yet, absolutely diving the protest group in half.

That was essentially how we all were on things anyway. Some of us wanted closure, others wanted a happier ending, others wanted a more dramatic ending, etc... There was going to be a point where we would end up being divided, no matter how Bioware/EA did it.

I will say one thing though, if the ending is just some cheap 1 minute cutscene add on, then the retake movement will continue as people will still be disappointed, even moreso given the fact that they were already disappointed with the current ending. So I don't think that Bioware/EA will want to rile up fans even more, especially since EA have gotten a pretty bad reputation recently.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 05 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Abreu Road]

I agree with you, OP.

I really hope that they explain themselves tomorrow on PAX.

[EmEr77]

Master Che wrote...

Is it that people feel (ahem) ENTITLED to know exactly every little detail right now and not a moment later?

No, it's that individuals are tired of double-speak. If you were unable to read between the lines of the BioWare PR posts, then that's your business, but a lot of us, even people who were happy with the endings, saw it as a pretty weak smokescreen to try to divide the fan-base, and get everyone to stop talking. Which is what companies do when they're trying to cover up a mistake. Unfortunately, it didn't work, because people saw right through it, and are tired of just being handled.

That's why people are upset. Now you know.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Ville L wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

After seeing some of the reactions and threads, I would rather be with the Call of Duty fanbase

Atleast they get what they want.

That maybe but at least they are more civil than most of BSN, although the only time where the COD fanbase acted rabid when (Forgotten his name) got fired

[The man of myth]

Ville L wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

After seeing some of the reactions and threads, I would rather be with the Call of Duty fanbase

Atleast they get what they want.

You sound like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" when he is pouting about his C+ grade on his essay. "I was surrounded by happier kids who were all going to get what they wanted." Waaaa. Now, if someone would only 'sucker punch' you with a snowball to the eye.

[frylock23]

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

Buying in whole hog is as nonsensical as complaining. You don't even know what it is or how it will address the issues. All it could be is a a cutscene of everything exploding with a big text saying "THEY'RE. THEY'RE ALL DEAD! LOLLOLLOL!!!!" Granted that is unlikely, but I think even you would have to say that being accepting and happy about the situation would look silly in hindsight.

Myself, I'm still waiting. I think that BioWare has a really tough uphill battle since they've chosen to polish this turd, but that doesn't mean that they won't pull it off. In the meantime, I won't be spending my money on them. Simple as that, and if they fail to deliver, I refuse to spend any of my future dollars on them until I can be sure I'll be truly getting my money's worth. Certainly, I won't be putting any more money into ME3 if this falls flat.

And other smart consumers will be doing the same. No company who fails to deliver should be rewarded for failing.

[Stalker]

Just because they give me something I never asked for? No.

[AxeloftheKey]

I think it's unreasonable to want a "changed" ending. I will love it if the new DLC gives me an interesting epilogue and clarifies a few plotholes, maybe give more dialogue with the Catalyst. That will be worth...$0 to me. Good thing it's free.

Additionally, the whole idea of getting a new ending just bugs me. The idea of a capitalist economy is that you vote with your wallet. You don't get to change the ending of a movie after you saw it in theaters, or rented it, or bought it, just because you didn't like it. You vote with your money by not buying the sequels, not paying the company that made it, etc.

If people don't like the ending, and don't want it extended, don't download it. Don't buy paid DLC. Don't play Multiplayer. Don't buy Bioware games. Don't buy EA games. If you're such a big representation, then they'll notice and cede to your demands. You don't just "get stuff" for free. Fact is, more than likely, you're not big enough to get their attention, and so you don't get to decide how their product ends. It might be your Shepard you're upset about, but it's their product.

[Fragsmater]

Yes, I agree. When I saw the news regarding he changing of the endings (or rather clarification of the ending) I though people here at the forums would be overly satisfied and happy with themselves. But, no! I only saw more complaining.

Let's just hope the new epilogue will satisfy us.

[Hjelsao]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

I agree. I was dreadfully dissapointed with the endings, but I don't think an entirely new ending would make me feel any better. It would just be hollow. "You didn't like the ending? Well, try this on, see if it fits." I understand alot of people in here would prefer that, but that's not for me. No narrative do-overs. This seems like a good olive branch for me, and if it turns out that the endings will make a little more sense afterwards, I'll take it. 

[Aldyramon]

I think they could address a lot of stuff the people complained about, as long as we don't know anything about the new stuff, just wait and see.

The DLC can potentially fix plot holes, deliver closure, give a sense of achievement etc. we just have to wait and see. I at least see the potential to deliver a satisfying ending with the DLC...

Also if you were expecting a DLC that redesigns the whole Priority Earth Mission to the end of the game with new game mechanics like deploying you War Assets to the fight, Space Battles, deploying you Squad like in ME2 etc. with complete new endings, including Voice Over work, Render cut-scenes and so on, that releases in April or May, you are just naively stupid. Making content just takes time, I never expected anything new before summer, just because it is not possible to deliver anything substantial without a few month of development time.

I am just glad the whole indoctrination theory believer can now reflect on the judgment and maybe don't fall for the next conspiracy theory the encounter.

[Apocaleepse360]

frylock23 wrote...

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

Buying in whole hog is as nonsensical as complaining. You don't even know what it is or how it will address the issues. All it could be is a a cutscene of everything exploding with a big text saying "THEY'RE. THEY'RE ALL DEAD! LOLLOLLOL!!!!" Granted that is unlikely, but I think even you would have to say that being accepting and happy about the situation would look silly in hindsight.

Myself, I'm still waiting. I think that BioWare has a really tough uphill battle since they've chosen to polish this turd, but that doesn't mean that they won't pull it off. In the meantime, I won't be spending my money on them. Simple as that, and if they fail to deliver, I refuse to spend any of my future dollars on them until I can be sure I'll be truly getting my money's worth. Certainly, I won't be putting any more money into ME3 if this falls flat.

And other smart consumers will be doing the same. No company who fails to deliver should be rewarded for failing.

I can see where you're coming from, bare in mind that I am also someone who wasn't pleased with the ME3 endings. However, I also know when to stay calm and see what they have to offer to remedy the situation. If that is bad, then obviously they lose a hell of a lot of sales in future products. So this can go either way. I'm not saying that it's going to be good, but I'm not saying that it's going to be bad either. And if this whole expanded ending thing does turn out to be a cheaply done thing, then yes this will affect my decision to buy products from Bioware and EA in general in the future.

[Fragsmater]

I spelt 'THE' and 'THOUGHT' wrong in my post above.

[Calliope]

I think we should wait and see what they plan. If they go the Indoctrination Theory route, it could be okay. Let's not jump to conclusions here.

[Peranor]

Moondoggie wrote...

Cypher61 wrote...

Agree with you. I was really surprised they made this free for everyone. Great move on Bioware's part. People who are continuing to complain after this.....just stop.

Some just don't want to stop. For some people it's not the victory of getting what they want it's the taking part. The feeling of being a part of something and if that ends then they are just another schmuck on the internet saying "Hey remember when we campaigned and Bioware listened?" so they are now notpicking and trying to drive forward a group of die hards to carry on doing it. For these people there won't be any end until they all get bored and jump on another movements bandwagon to get the same thrill.

You're forgetting that this kind of DLC is NOT what everyone asked for. Many people wanted a NEW ending. Not an attempt to polish a turd. And those people will understandably continue to complain.

I wanted a new ending as well. But inside I always knew that asking for a completely new ending was unrealistic. It was never going to happen. So I just faced the fact that i'm going to have to settle with what they are giving us now. At least its a small victory.

[MaaZeus]

I agree that some people are bit unreasonable at the moment. Give them a benefit of doubt. I atleast hope the "clarification" means plugging the gaping plotholes either with good explanations or removing and retconning them completely. And I hope to God that the starbrat goes far away.

But right now we know NOTHING for sure. I admit I have my doubts that this will be halfassed 1 minute cutscene to polish a turd as the news release, if taken at face value, suggests. But that is left to be seen.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 05 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Bronze65]

The reaction to this has been disgusting, at best.

[piemanz]

"Now"?, they've been unreasonable for a month.

[astindextor]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

krukow wrote...

Agreed. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see what details emerge. Fer frack's sake, this DLC is FREE! They're trying, let's be appreciative!

Imo, hard to give the benefit of the doubt when I was burned the first time.

Was Mass Effect 3 the first BIOWARE product you ever purchased? If not, then you  weren't really "burned the first time". 

I am with the OP. I was down with the outrage when nothing was being done, then very suspicious when it seemed I would be asked to pay for the fixed ending, and now pleasantly surprised to see this morning's announcement. Seriously people, calm down, talk about something else for a while, and wait and see what happens. You're losing the high ground very very quickly today.

[mitsos96]

I also agree with the OP. Most people demanded closure and closure is promised. I doubt bioware will intentionally screw with the fanbase again but the base should calm down till the whole thing is revealed. It is definetely a win for the hold the line movement let's not ruin things now

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

I'll hand it to Bioware.They're doing SOMETHING at least. And it's a free add-on. It took a bit of guts and was a bit of a gamble to do this. Whether I'll like what they do? Well, wait and see.

At the end of the day, I really, really disliked the ending but it didn't "ruin the whole trilogy" for me (to quote some of the hyperbole flying around). I'm going to wait and see. And you know what? It's still one of my favorite game series ever. I'll likely replay them all again no matter what.

Just take a few deep breaths guys. It's gonna be okay. And even if it's not - it's still gonna be okay.

[Apocaleepse360]

Aldyramon wrote...

I think they could address a lot of stuff the people complained about, as long as we don't know anything about the new stuff, just wait and see.

The DLC can potentially fix plot holes, deliver closure, give a sense of achievement etc. we just have to wait and see. I at least see the potential to deliver a satisfying ending with the DLC...

Also if you were expecting a DLC that redesigns the whole Priority Earth Mission to the end of the game with new game mechanics like deploying you War Assets to the fight, Space Battles, deploying you Squad like in ME2 etc. with complete new endings, including Voice Over work, Render cut-scenes and so on, that releases in April or May, you are just naively stupid. Making content just takes time, I never expected anything new before summer, just because it is not possible to deliver anything substantial without a few month of development time.

I am just glad the whole indoctrination theory believer can now reflect on the judgment and maybe don't fall for the next conspiracy theory the encounter.

Exactly.

And I'd like to give an example to people, based on the same thing happening with another popular sci-fi game. Before Halo 4 was announced, there were 2 groups of people that had their own theories about Halo 3's ending. One group had a time travel theory, where Master Chief travelled back in time to the Forerunners and the other group theorized that it linked to Bungie's previous game, Marathon. Both were wrong. But even they didn't give the forums the amount of grief that the Bioware forums are receiving right now. That's the part that's hard to believe - a HALO community is being more well behaved than a Bioware community. I'm disappointed guys, seriously.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 05 avril 2012 - 04:03 .