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[Silasqtx]

I'm calm but please, don't call EDI's cameltoe or RGB endings "artistic integrity".

[MaaZeus]

astindextor wrote...


I am with the OP. I was down with the outrage when nothing was being done, then very suspicious when it seemed I would be asked to pay for the fixed ending, and now pleasantly surprised to see this morning's announcement. Seriously people, calm down, talk about something else for a while, and wait and see what happens. You're losing the high ground very very quickly today.

Agreed. Although I suspect that there will be a ****storm again, trolls raising the anger and fanning anti-Bioware/EA flames amongst the more emotional forumites. May be a good time to take a break from the forums for a day or two...

[Muhvitus]

in my opinion the point is that what you can tell about the press release, they have totally missed the point, this isn't going to be saved by 5min of cutscenes :|

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Silasqtx wrote...

I'm calm but please, don't call EDI's cameltoe or RGB endings "artistic integrity".

EDI's Cameltoe IS artistic integrity

[jakal66]

hahaha what the heck did you expect?It's THE INTERNET. Listen it happened to some extent with ME1 and ME2, remember when everyone was pissed at baby human Reaper? Or how it had lost all the RPG elements found in ME1...remember? I do agree this was by far worse than that but people won't be happy.Even if they did change it you would find sa great amount of people complaining about something else...and the cycle would go on and on and on.

[Timforsgren]

I totally agree, everyone expects too much.

[sp0ck 06]

EmEr77 wrote...

sp0ck 06 wrote...

This is the most knee jerk fanbase there is. If I was someone at BW working on this DLC, and I came to these forums to get a sense of where the fans were at, I'd probably purposely go against their wishes because some of the people here are just ridiculous.

That would negate the definition of professionalism then wouldn't it? Would you really let your personal feelings affect your work ethic? If I was a boss, and I saw that comment from you, I'd probably not hire you. 


It works both ways. People disagree with opinions all the time, whether it's from outside sources, or in their own offices. Being an adult (meaning mature), and being professional means working past the things that may "irk" you and doing what needs to be done, for the sake of fixing things. In this case, some sort of amendment needs to be done to the endings (notice I didn't say overhaul, that's now what we're going to get, and that's not the most plausible course of action) is what's going to fix things. For a lot of people. I've seen a lot of "pro-enders" on here who seem to still agree with some of the issues of the ending. Meaning, something for sure, needs to be fixed.

Anyone with a decent understanding of the Internet understands it's a gamble as to what they're going to find on here. That includes the BioWare forums. So those individuals working on the DLC, if they are parusing the forums, know exactly what kind of responses they are going to see. They'll see some trolls, they'll see some flame wars, but they'll also find a lot of well-thought out critical analysis that's entirely objective, describing why the ending is inadequate. Notice also how I didn't say "wrong." I said inadequate, because it is. From a technical standpoint. If you still go something out of it, then good for you, and I'm not saying that sarcastically--however that unfortunately does not negate the fact that there are technical issues with the ending that need to be fixed. 

So the bottom line is, before you say what you did, you may want to take a moment and really think about what you're saying, and how it applies to yourself in some way. I'm sure you've had a knee-jerk reaction to something as well, that wasn't so pretty, and wouldn't look very nice to others either. 

Just born out of frustration after years of being around these forums.  There has been a lot of reasonable, level headed debate about the ending.  There has also been a very visible amount of extremely immature ranting and raving that honestly makes me embarassed to be a gamer, and its been going on here for years.

At some point, you have to ask yourself...are you really a "fan" of mass effect if all you do it b***h and moan about everything Bioware has done with the franchise?  Its one thing to take the stance of "I am invested in these games and want to show Bioware I am not happy with the ending."  It's quite another to just hang around here making snide comments to anyone who expresses even the slightest positive feeling towards the ending (or after ME2 the changed combat system and the whole RPG debate), raging against Bioware and EA like they're AIG wrecking the world or something.  Fact is, ultimately this is their franchise and these forums exist for people who have some vested interest in it.  

All I'm saying is if I worked for BW and I came on here, I wouldn't walk away with much motivation to really make something the fans will love.  I don't care how "professional" you are, if you're putting out a creative product, and you come to what should be the homebase of the fans, and what you mostly see is raging about how bad of a writer you are, how all you care about is $$, you're a corporate sellout, you lied, your product sucks, its a steaming pile of s**t, what's gonna motivate you to appease those people?

[Iwillbeback]

EDI had a ****** because Dr Eva needed to blend in.

[TheTrueObelus]

This is going to go down as the worst ending to a franchise...ever. In any creative medium.

Clarifying it isn't going to fix anything. Bioware can't see this now. They're in denial.

But in a couple of years they're going to look back and say..."Why the hell didn't we just give the fans what they wanted?"

[webhead921]

TheTrueObelus wrote...

This is going to go down as the worst ending to a franchise...ever. In any creative medium.

Clarifying it isn't going to fix anything. Bioware can't see this now. They're in denial.

But in a couple of years they're going to look back and say..."Why the hell didn't we just give the fans what they wanted?"

Hyperbole much?  

Worse than Spider-man 3?  Worse than Superman 3/4?  Worse than Batman and Robin? 
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Modifié par webhead921, 05 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Deltoran]

My thoughts are as follows: I'm holding judgement until I see what they come up with; but frankly, their PR speak reeks of ignoring fan issues and this clarifying stuff probably won't fix anything.

People saying this is a victory could be right, but the way the press release is worded, I do not agree. It's just another step in the long waiting game, with an unknown ending.

[LegendaryBlade]

"No new or additional endings" and "Artistic integrity" is all I needed to see to make my decision to keep holding the line.

[Jassu1979]

Just read what Bioware wrote on the topic, and realize they've never been listening AT ALL.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

There will be no new ending, no big reveal, no final plot twist that pulls the plot out of the excrement-filled pit that it maneuvers itself into in the final five minutes.

Only a few cutscenes showing what happens after the crappy ending took place.

[Ashilana]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings.

They aren't expanding...they are clarifying.  There will be no other choices.  You get red, green or blue and that is it.  Shep will still be duped by the starchild.

Anyone who believes this pile of PR bull%^&$ is quite gullible.

[garf]

arthurhallam wrote...

exactly. the retakers should be happy they're even doing this much!

to be honest, i wish the retakers would pipe down a bit now so we can start talking about something else.

I Wish for a better ending. Too bad wishes don't make it so.

[jakal66]

webhead921 wrote...

TheTrueObelus wrote...

This is going to go down as the worst ending to a franchise...ever. In any creative medium.

Clarifying it isn't going to fix anything. Bioware can't see this now. They're in denial.

But in a couple of years they're going to look back and say..."Why the hell didn't we just give the fans what they wanted?"

Hyperbole much?  

Worse than Spider-man 3?  Worse than Superman 3/4?  Worse than Batman and Robin? 
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hahaha you clearly haven't played that many games, have you?People here have to go out and have a beer or something

[garf]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

I'm calm just enjoying my popcorn.

[Vajraja]

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. And even if the end-state they will provide isn't perfect, at least they are trying and it's free. I respect that.

[KaeserZen]

Master Che wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Is it that people feel (ahem) ENTITLED to know exactly every little detail right now and not a moment later?

The thing is, stringing unhappy people along, and telling them to be calm won't really be effective together...

They said they'd announce something in April, we are in April, they announced something, they are not going to tell much more until the end of june.
They announced this before PAX so that they won't have to talk about this.

Which will just cause more rage.

It feels like the PR crew only thinks short-term rather than long-term. Which is a real pity.

So because some people are impatient that means everything needs to be unveiled now?

Master Che, mark my words on this. They are not going to provide details about what type of clarification/closure they intend. I've followed several BioWare development cycles, and there is a pattern to that.

They'll just release it.

I said mark my words on this, because when they release it without much more details, other than "Now you can get your clarification/closure, enjoy the Free DLC !", I will make a thread with a big : I told you so.

[Ariq]

Customer #1: I'd like a cheeseburger and fries.
Waiter: Very good sir. Here's your meal.
Customer #1: Wait, this is broccoli.
Waiter: That's correct.
Customer #1: I ordered a cheeseburger and fries.
Waiter: This is the cook's artistic interpretation of a cheeseburger and fries. It's even on your menu.
Customer #2: The cook is brilliant. Just eat the fine meal he gave you.
Customer #1: But, I wanted a cheeseburger and fries.
Customer #2: Entitled brat.
Waiter: I'll ask the cook to correct the meal.

*time passes*

Waiter: As you requested sir, your meal is being corrected as we speak.
Customer #1: Will it be a cheeseburger and fries?
Customer #2: Wait and see. The cook is a genius. You'll love whatever he makes you.
Waiter: The management has chosen to offer you your meal for free. Here it is.
Customer #1: It's...still broccoli. Now with carrots.
Waiter: Artistic integrity!
Customer #2: You'll never be happy will you?

Modifié par Ariq, 05 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Hjelsao]

KaeserZen wrote...

Master Che wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Is it that people feel (ahem) ENTITLED to know exactly every little detail right now and not a moment later?

The thing is, stringing unhappy people along, and telling them to be calm won't really be effective together...

They said they'd announce something in April, we are in April, they announced something, they are not going to tell much more until the end of june.
They announced this before PAX so that they won't have to talk about this.

Which will just cause more rage.

It feels like the PR crew only thinks short-term rather than long-term. Which is a real pity.

So because some people are impatient that means everything needs to be unveiled now?

Master Che, mark my words on this. They are not going to provide details about what type of clarification/closure they intend. I've followed several BioWare development cycles, and there is a pattern to that.

They'll just release it.

I said mark my words on this, because when they release it without much more details, other than "Now you can get your clarification/closure, enjoy the Free DLC !", I will make a thread with a big : I told you so.

What do you mean by " followed several BioWare development cycles"?

You mean waiting for their games like the rest of us, or were you hiding out in their cupboards, taking notes? 

[Meltemph]

People may be unreasonable to expect a re-written ending, but if anyone thinks this will fix the actual issues with the ending, unless all you wanted was clarity, is kidding themselves.

[Rockpopple]

A little?

I'm seeing goalposts moved all over the place. This all started by people rightly saying "The endings don't make sense. We want more closure" to now saying "We want completely new endings! Erase the old ones!"

People are now going around saying exactly what this "Extended Cut" is gonna be. It's not even COMPLETED yet and people are talking trash about it. "It's gonna be 5 minutes long! Text epilogue! No voices! Won't explain anything!" It's not even DONE yet you effing tards. 

People are GBCWing all over the place. It'll be fun to see whether these people leave forever as they say they are "I'm never gonna buy another BioWare product again for as long as I live!". Somehow I doubt it.

The ****** around here is unreal.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 05 avril 2012 - 04:30 .