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#101
pika9519

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Meltemph wrote...

People may be unreasonable to expect a re-written ending, but if anyone thinks this will fix the actual issues with the ending, unless all you wanted was clarity, is kidding themselves.


Yeah. If all they're doing is adding a few nice-looking scenes here and there, it's still a bad, broken, nonsensical ending. 

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I agree with OP, it's getting embarrassing now, it almost makes me want Bioware to abandon any post launch DLC altogether

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Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.


I think they're doing something more than epilogue wall of text.  The key terms seem to be "amazing" and "gratifying."  

But yes, people really need to calm down.

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I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

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I took my banner down what more do you want :P. Agreed people need to accept this is what we are getting or move on. They spoke their peace and us ours. They are giving us free DLC that will hopefully explain most of the numerous questions we have, nobody should expect more.

Modifié par DarkSpider88, 05 avril 2012 - 04:38 .


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i have a lot of faith in gravity and evolution, those are both theories

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You can't fix stupid by talking more.

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Rockpopple wrote...

A little?

I'm seeing goalposts moved all over the place. This all started by people rightly saying "The endings don't make sense. We want more closure" to now saying "We want completely new endings! Erase the old ones!"

People are now going around saying exactly what this "Extended Cut" is gonna be. It's not even COMPLETED yet and people are talking trash about it. "It's gonna be 5 minutes long! Text epilogue! No voices! Won't explain anything!" It's not even DONE yet you effing tards. 

People are GBCWing all over the place. It'll be fun to see whether these people leave forever as they say they are "I'm never gonna buy another BioWare product again for as long as I live!". Somehow I doubt it.

The ****** around here is unreal.


So much rage.
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Ville L wrote...

I'm calm, but I still have my right so say that explaining garbage doesn't make it smell less.


I'm with you...

I was waiting patiently before reviewing ME3 : now, it's time to act...

JPR out!

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I agree with someone who posted in this thread earlier that no matter WHAT happened, the fanbase would be fractured. That was inevitable, in that while everyone agreed that SOMETHING must be done about the ending, everyone did not agree on what that solution should be.

And yes, much of the complaints about the ending CAN be addressed in extended dialogue and cutscenes and whatnot. No, the silly StarChild concept won't be retconned out, but a lot of the other complaints can be fixed. Yesterday, a fan released this:

shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

While it is 100% fan created, I find it interesting how well BSN user Siduri managed to plaster over the basic "red, green, blue" choices and utilize the existing (ripped off from Deus Ex) ending canon to create closure that's frankly, very very good.

If that's the effort from just one dedicated fan, lets give the writing team - the ones that gave us all the other amazing writing in this game - a chance to see what they come up with.

Ok, no, not you, Walters and Hudson. You two go sit in a corner.  You're grounded for this one.

Modifié par Goroxx, 05 avril 2012 - 04:49 .


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pissing on my head and telling me it's rain

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Goroxx wrote...

I agree with someone who posted in this thread earlier that no matter WHAT happened, the fanbase would be fractured. That was inevitable, in that while everyone agreed that SOMETHING must be done about the ending, everyone did not agree on what that solution should be.

And yes, much of the complaints about the ending CAN be addressed in extended dialogue and cutscenes and whatnot. No, the silly StarChild concept won't be retconned out, but a lot of the other complaints can be fixed. Yesterday, a fan released this:

shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

While it is 100% fan created, I find it interesting how well BSN user Siduri managed to plaster over the basic "red, green, blue" choices and utilize the existing (ripped off from Deus Ex) ending canon to create closure that's frankly, very very good.

If that's the effort from just one dedicated fan, lets give the writing team - the ones that gave us all the other amazing writing in this game - a chance to see what they come up with.

Ok, no, not you, Walters and Hudson. You two go sit in a corner.  You're grounded for this one.


This, its funny how people were praising the user who made this, now imagine if we could have full cutscenes for all these choices... It would be really epic

#113
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Clarification insufficient. More drastic measures needed.

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Apocaleepse360 wrote...

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see... ?


Welcome to the Bioware forums. If Bioware was changing the endings and had also offered to give every single player who was angry with the ending their money back, there would still be people crying bloody murder.

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Wait, wait. Hold the damned train!
People are counting this as a win?
The anti-climatic ending stays, the glaring plot-holes will have a huge chance of staying and we get what, a few minutes extra tagged on and everyone is celebrating?

This people is a huge fail. It's a sad, sobbing ending. It isn't a sacrifice, it isn't even a good will thing. This is what you give people to FINALLY shut them UP!

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Etereoooo wrote...

pissing on my head and telling me it's rain


I doubt bioware urinated in your head and told you that it was raining.  If they did, you should call the police.  I think peeing on people counts as sexual assault.

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At least now I'll get to see Garrus and Liara flying up to the Normandy on magical ponies while Shepard is charging to the Conduit.

And then I'll get to watch every system I've ever visited (including Earth) get destroyed by Mass Relay explosions.

And then I'll get to watch Garrus and Tali starve to death due to the lack of "dextro" food on the Unknown Planet.

Victory!

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I don't think I am being unreasonable by refusing to buy something that I dislike?

I am almost inevitably going to dislike the new content, since essentially what we get will be a long, lingering stare at the galaxy being ****ed over, rather than a quick glimpse.

My plan is still what it always was, if the endings aren't addressed, then I abandon the Mass Effect franchise, and possibly Bioware in general as a customer. Simply because, apparently, they no longer want to make things that appeal to me.

I fail to see how not buying things that don't appeal to me is unreasonable.

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Randalf84 wrote...

I don't think I am being unreasonable by refusing to buy something that I dislike?

I am almost inevitably going to dislike the new content, since essentially what we get will be a long, lingering stare at the galaxy being ****ed over, rather than a quick glimpse.

My plan is still what it always was, if the endings aren't addressed, then I abandon the Mass Effect franchise, and possibly Bioware in general as a customer. Simply because, apparently, they no longer want to make things that appeal to me.

I fail to see how not buying things that don't appeal to me is unreasonable.


But you can't "refuse to buy it."  It's free!

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Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.


Agreed. At least give Bioware a chance to release the thing before you lose your S*it.

#121
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These folks...
they won't be pleased by anything.
I mean Anything.
They already settled for "ME3 sucks, no matter what"

Simply ignore them. Most of us do.

#122
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Ouch, that's a burst bubble for the Indoctrination THeory Haha!

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Who would have guessed that the majority of people on these boards are still angry, super surprised by that. This just in, RETAKE is still having a sh*t fit over what again, oh yeah, a video game and the news of free DLC.

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webhead921 wrote...

Randalf84 wrote...

I don't think I am being unreasonable by refusing to buy something that I dislike?

I am almost inevitably going to dislike the new content, since essentially what we get will be a long, lingering stare at the galaxy being ****ed over, rather than a quick glimpse.

My plan is still what it always was, if the endings aren't addressed, then I abandon the Mass Effect franchise, and possibly Bioware in general as a customer. Simply because, apparently, they no longer want to make things that appeal to me.

I fail to see how not buying things that don't appeal to me is unreasonable.


But you can't "refuse to buy it."  It's free!


Look closer. I was referring to any future ME related stuff, and Bioware stuff in general.

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After reading the original blog posting from BW/EA, and the many pages/threads of responses...I believe it's time for me to step back from The Line.

Now, I am not saying I am giving up in defeat, or stomping away in a tantrum. But I believe that what I was holding the line for has changed over the past month. The endings as they are...they are still terrible. Why? We have StarChild, out of nowhere. We have Joker seemingly running away from a fight. We have team members beaming up to the Enterprise (errr, Normandy).

But an extended ending could very well explain these events. And if they do so in a logical way, then the majority of the concerns with the current endings works. If they explain why Shepard suddenly becomes a sheep instead of fighting the Starchild, great. If they explain how no one knew about the Catalyst being a hologram buried within the Citadel, great. If they explain how Shepard ends up beaming from the Crucible to the pile of rubble post-credits....even better. I would be content with that.

I have to give BW the chance to do this. I enjoyed the ME series, right up to the last 10 minutes, like so many other Retakers. Maybe BW slipped, and made a mistake in judgement. So, I will give them the chance to correct themselves. Everyone has moments in their life where they have to clarify themselves in some fashion, so why should I not let BW do so?

And we have, over the past few weeks, helped spur debate about video games as an industry, and/or as an artform. We've gotten mainstream media to examine it, we've had a lot of lively and thought-provoking debates here in BSN, and it is my personal opinion that we have done a lot for the gaming industry in the past month.

We have BioWare conceding the current state of their ending doesnt satisfy the fans, and they are making an effort to fix it. Like it or not, that in itself is a big accomplishment. Without the Retake movement, and those who (maturely!) supported our cause, and even those who opposed it with rational logic, we wouldnt even get that much of a concession.

So, with this perspective in mind, I believe it is time for me to respectfully retire my place on The Line. Bioware has listened to our objections, and while they may not satisfy every single fan out there, at least they are making an effort. Which is certainly more than most other game studios have been willing to do. It is a victory in the very essence of our requests, and so I will wait for this Extended Edition.

It has been an interesting experience being a part of Retake, and I hope, in the end, everyone can find something positive to take away from the experience. Fans and Bioware alike.