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[Delta_S]

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd. The only way to make a turd go away is to flush it.

[totalrecall87]

Rothgar49 wrote...

agree with OP, lets wait and see what happens at PAX at least huh.

[vigna]

Why don't you PLAY the FREE DLC before we start raging? Rage afterwards if you still need to......yeesh.
This raging is ridiculous. If anyone actually thought they were going to lop off the last 10 minutes and insert fanfic version a or c you are sadly mistaken---- if not deluded.

[Cyren]

hawat333 wrote...

These folks...
they won't be pleased by anything.
I mean Anything.
They already settled for "ME3 sucks, no matter what"

Simply ignore them. Most of us do.

Now I'm not saying "ME3 sucks, no matter what".
Personally I loved the game, the game-play and the character development. But the ending?
Come on!

All Bioware is doing is tagging on a few minutes of extra scenes and maybe a wall of text, before calling it a day.
They aren't doing anything, but trying to appease and shut us up with a so called 'little token of good will'.
Is that what you really want? Being treated like an errant child, who get's a pat on their head by their parents?

[DeeLite808]

Cyren wrote...

All Bioware is doing is tagging on a few minutes of extra scenes and maybe a wall of text, before calling it a day.
They aren't doing anything, but trying to appease and shut us up with a so called 'little token of good will'.
Is that what you really want? Being treated like an errant child, who get's a pat on their head by their parents?

Look at the post above this

1) you don't know if its only a few minutes
2) you don't know if its a wall of  text


The DLC isn't even out, and you are already moaning about it.

[Sohlito]

Hjelsao wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

I agree. I was dreadfully dissapointed with the endings, but I don't think an entirely new ending would make me feel any better. It would just be hollow. "You didn't like the ending? Well, try this on, see if it fits." I understand alot of people in here would prefer that, but that's not for me. No narrative do-overs. This seems like a good olive branch for me, and if it turns out that the endings will make a little more sense afterwards, I'll take it. 

This.

[Bill Casey]

Cyren wrote...

All Bioware is doing is tagging on a few minutes of extra scenes and maybe a wall of text, before calling it a day.

Come on...
If that's what they were doing, it would be ready by now...

[Hutson]

Prior to today, I identified with the Retake Movement. I think it's shameful that a large portion of posters here on the forums have reacted the way they have. I'm not happy with how ME3 ended, but I was always of the opinion that there would be more clarification to follow along, and I still have faith in BW considering that almost 99% of the entire ME trilogy has been an incredibly fun, moving and engaging experience.

[Erixxxx]

krukow wrote...

Agreed. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see what details emerge. Fer frack's sake, this DLC is FREE! They're trying, let's be appreciative!

This. We have absolutely no clue what's going to be in it. Play it, and then complain if it's still not good enough for you.

[Bill Casey]

I'm really disappointed in a portion of the posters here...
You get free DLC ending clarification that they're taking their time making, and you decry it before you've even seen it...

[wryterra]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

They've said enough for me. 

1) They're starting work on it now. So this wasn't planned. This is a reactive act from a studio who thought what they were doing was legitimately good enough.
2) They're not changing anything. Which means they STILL think it's good enough.

So they're disregarding 2 games worth of history or the promises they made to the audience in pre-release media drive. Either way, they've shafted us and I'm done. 

UPDATE: And let me be clear, I'm not asking for or demanding anything else, I never asked for or demanded any DLC. I'm not a 'retaker'. Just a disappointed customer who has no plans of buying anything else BioWare put out until someone whose opinion I trust has finished it and told me it isn't ****. And when I say finished, I mean the entire series, because I don't want to invest hundreds of hours into a bait-and-switch deus-ex-mechana ended insult again.

Modifié par wryterra, 05 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[Mesmurae]

Polish a turd... well, you know the rest.

[Cyren]

DeeLite808 wrote...

Cyren wrote...

All Bioware is doing is tagging on a few minutes of extra scenes and maybe a wall of text, before calling it a day.
They aren't doing anything, but trying to appease and shut us up with a so called 'little token of good will'.
Is that what you really want? Being treated like an errant child, who get's a pat on their head by their parents?

Look at the post above this

1) you don't know if its only a few minutes
2) you don't know if its a wall of  text


The DLC isn't even out, and you are already moaning about it.

The reason I'm 'moaning' about it, is because this is a disaster in the making.
They need something better to beat the vile after-taste of the ending out of the mouths of their fans.

[ahandsomeshark]

wryterra wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

They've said enough for me. 

1) They're starting work on it now. So this wasn't planned. This is a reactive act from a studio who thought what they were doing was legitimately good enough.
2) They're not changing anything. Which means they STILL think it's good enough.

So they're disregarding 2 games worth of history or the promises they made to the audience in pre-release media drive. Either way, they've shafted us and I'm done. 

UPDATE: And let me be clear, I'm not asking for or demanding anything else, I never asked for or demanded any DLC. I'm not a 'retaker'. Just a disappointed customer who has no plans of buying anything else BioWare put out until someone whose opinion I trust has finished it and told me it isn't ****. And when I say finished, I mean the entire series, because I don't want to invest hundreds of hours into a bait-and-switch deus-ex-mechana ended insult again.

this. It has to do with a bad product, and a producer not understanding why the product is bad. Which means they're likely to repeat the same mistakes in the future.

[AntonioA9011]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

wryterra wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

You don’t even know how Bioware are going to expand upon these endings. When we complained about the current ME3 endings, a lot of diehard fans called us a bunch of crybabies because we didn’t get the ending we wanted. Yet we still as we liked to call it, held the line. Now I believe it is time to sit back and see what Bioware have planned for this extended ending, because we’re lucky to get this. They could have easily just said “no, screw you, that’s our ending, live with it”. Sure, they might have lost a lot of fans but they’d still have enough to keep business afloat.

You never know, it could be expanded into like an epilogue similar to what Dragon Age: Origins did. Now DA:O essentially only had one ending (save for you living or dying, or someone else killing the Archdemon, but the big picture was that it was just one ending - the Archdemon died and the Blight ended), yet it had a massive epilogue that detailed the events of what happened after the game thanks to your character. ME3’s extended ending could have something like that, and yet while it is just basically text on a screen, I still played through DA:O loads of times just to get a different epilogue each time.

So can we just be calm for a few weeks and see what this expanded ending offers before jumping to conclusions? We wanted closure, now we're getting it. If you really honestly expected them to do something like the indoctrination theory, then let this be a lesson to you. Don't put faith in theories, no matter how convincing they may be.

They've said enough for me. 

1) They're starting work on it now. So this wasn't planned. This is a reactive act from a studio who thought what they were doing was legitimately good enough.
2) They're not changing anything. Which means they STILL think it's good enough.

So they're disregarding 2 games worth of history or the promises they made to the audience in pre-release media drive. Either way, they've shafted us and I'm done. 

UPDATE: And let me be clear, I'm not asking for or demanding anything else, I never asked for or demanded any DLC. I'm not a 'retaker'. Just a disappointed customer who has no plans of buying anything else BioWare put out until someone whose opinion I trust has finished it and told me it isn't ****. And when I say finished, I mean the entire series, because I don't want to invest hundreds of hours into a bait-and-switch deus-ex-mechana ended insult again.

this. It has to do with a bad product, and a producer not understanding why the product is bad. Which means they're likely to repeat the same mistakes in the future.

^^^ This.


**** that, nobody's being unreasonable. These stupid BioWare mother****ers told us that they take constructive critisim very seriously and that they listen to their fans. Obviously, they must have been too busy partying on their 75 foot yacht off of the coast of California, having drinks and dancing to Soave's "Crying Over You", to notice that some of their fans are very disenfranchised with the ending. I think it would have been good PR for them to release a free DLC pack in order to change the ending for those who would like the ending changed, as an apology to the fans who didn't like the ending, to make up for all the goddamn lies that ****ing Casey Hudson spat out of his mouth, and the altogether rushed feel of ME3. Of course, this would never happen, and as such, BioWare/EA will never get my money again. I know my post may be ignored but: 

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER HOW EXCITED THEY WERE WAITING FOR THIS GAME? HOW HAPPY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WENT TO THE MIDNIGHT RELEASE AND BOUGHT THE GAME? AND HOW DISGUSTED AND FRUSTRATED THEY ARE NOW?

SPECULATE

[LoganofET]

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

[Creston918]

Well said, OP.

[Cyren]

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

[LoganofET]

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

Because its a damged AI. It doesn't think clearly. Think cortanta breaking down from age in Halo, or for a more pratical example, deleting a piece of a binary code in relation to down syndrome or other gene related diseases. It might not out right kill the bady/program, but it will mess it up pretty bad.

Modifié par LoganofET, 05 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[AntonioA9011]

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

^^^^Mmmm-hmmm. Well said, friend. I HATE people who don't understand the ending, but want to like it so much that they create silly theories about it that only make sense in their head. When they tell other people, they look like ****ing moron ****. I love that.

[Militarized]

Sorry I don't say my dogs poop stops stinking just because I put into a nice little baggy.

I'm an honest person, can't do that.

[Cyren]

LoganofET wrote...

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

Because its a damged AI. It doesn't think clearly. Think cortanta breaking down from age in Halo, or for a more pratical example, deleting a piece of a binary code in relation to down syndrome or other gene related diseases. It might not out right kill the bady/program, but it will mess it up pretty bad.

Summary: StarChild has down syndrome....that might actually work...Hey bioware...

Let me poke a hole through that then.
No body knew what the Catelyst, aside from it being the Citadel. So how the hell would they be able to even delete a piece of the coding if they don't know what is what. And don't you think something as powerful as the Citadel that has existed for, I don't know how many cycles, would have had protocols in place that would prevent any deletion of codes?

[LoganofET]

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

Because its a damged AI. It doesn't think clearly. Think cortanta breaking down from age in Halo, or for a more pratical example, deleting a piece of a binary code in relation to down syndrome or other gene related diseases. It might not out right kill the bady/program, but it will mess it up pretty bad.

Summary: StarChild has down syndrome....that might actually work...Hey bioware...

Let me poke a hole through that then.
No body knew what the Catelyst, aside from it being the Citadel. So how the hell would they be able to even delete a piece of the coding if they don't know what is what. And don't you think something as powerful as the Citadel that has existed for, I don't know how many cycles, would have had protocols in place that would prevent any deletion of codes?

Who said it was damaged while the cycles where going on? My theroy is that it got damged, THEN made the reapers under broken logic, and it's been sitting there, possibly breaking further ever since. Maybe it was attacked by orgainic life, and thats why it wanted to destory it.

[Cyren]

LoganofET wrote...

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cyren wrote...

LoganofET wrote...

Cadiwen wrote...

I hopped on this morning expecting to see people excited that we'd effected a change in the endings at all, AND it would be free... and I find that most of the posts about how "it's crap and it will still be crap there's nothing they can do they should change everything about the endings."

Really, guys, that was never going to happen. This is the best move for both sides of this. And the negativity is just making me confused and a little fed-up with the fan response.

Second.

Honestly I feel like some fan are so caught up in ****ing about this they can't calm down and take this for what it is, probably the best thing we could have hoped for. As much as I would love it, I know their not going to rewirte the whole game and take out the weak parts, but explaining things could do alot more than people think.  EX:They could expalin that maybe starchild is just some ancent superpowerful damged A.I., that would help.

Uh-huh... that explains why he didn't know about the conduit and if he did know, then why didn't he tell the Reapers about them, if he created the Reapers?

Because its a damged AI. It doesn't think clearly. Think cortanta breaking down from age in Halo, or for a more pratical example, deleting a piece of a binary code in relation to down syndrome or other gene related diseases. It might not out right kill the bady/program, but it will mess it up pretty bad.

Summary: StarChild has down syndrome....that might actually work...Hey bioware...

Let me poke a hole through that then.
No body knew what the Catelyst, aside from it being the Citadel. So how the hell would they be able to even delete a piece of the coding if they don't know what is what. And don't you think something as powerful as the Citadel that has existed for, I don't know how many cycles, would have had protocols in place that would prevent any deletion of codes?

Who said it was damaged while the cycles where going on? My theroy is that it got damged, THEN made the reapers under broken logic, and it's been sitting there, possibly breaking further ever since. Maybe it was attacked by orgainic life, and thats why it wanted to destory it.

Actually it reasoned that it was storing the Organic life.
And don't you think it's own creators would realize something broke or got damaged? Unless you think it just popped up out of nowhere? And how could it make the Reapers all on it's lone-some? Sure he's got the Keepers (which remind of Rachni), but where would it get the resources to make a Reaper? Those things are mostly metalic with Organic coding.