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[Oldbones2]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

I'll use small words since you seem to have trouble with big ones.



First of all, I never said I didn't want a happy ending.

I said the current endings are unworthy of Mass Effect and do not fit the themes of the series.


Furthermore I'm one of those 'crazy' people asking BW to honor their promise about a variety of endings that emphasize player choice.

Moreover I don't think including a relatively happy ending would harm the series at all.  Many great endings are happy and people who confuse 'dark' with 'great' are usually not very well read.

Now I don't think the happy ending should have been the only ending.  And it shouldn't have been all rainbows and sunshine either.  The choices you made should carry both positive and negative consequences just like always.  People are still going to be dead, and entire worlds will be destroyed so having a so called disney ending is pretty much impossible by the time you reach Earth.




Finally I will include a line to one of my favorite TV Tropes which would have been aplicable to ME 3


http://tvtropes.org/...YourHappyEnding

[Kris69]

Blastback wrote...

I'd like a happy ending. Never said I wouldn't. That said, I'm fully willing to let Earth be an uninhabitable rock if it means that Shepard can reunite with his crew.

+1

[OutlawTorn6806]

Oldbones2 wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

I'll use small words since you seem to have trouble with big ones.



First of all, I never said I didn't want a happy ending.

I said the current endings are unworthy of Mass Effect and do not fit the themes of the series.


Furthermore I'm one of those 'crazy' people asking BW to honor their promise about a variety of endings that emphasize player choice.

Moreover I don't think including a relatively happy ending would harm the series at all.  Many great endings are happy and people who confuse 'dark' with 'great' are usually not very well read.

Now I don't think the happy ending should have been the only ending.  And it shouldn't have been all rainbows and sunshine either.  The choices you made should carry both positive and negative consequences just like always.  People are still going to be dead, and entire worlds will be destroyed so having a so called disney ending is pretty much impossible by the time you reach Earth.




Finally I will include a line to one of my favorite TV Tropes which would have been aplicable to ME 3


http://tvtropes.org/...YourHappyEnding

I'm just going to ask you to re-read the thread again, old man, or is it old bones. 

[The Edge]

Amioran wrote...

Diana Kingston wrote...

Here's what I don't understand:

Is there any reason these things need to be mutually exclusive, to the point where people are organizing into factions?

The whole point of multiple endings is that you don't need to force all players to conform to a single standardized conclusion. Ideally, you could determine the type of ending you get based on how you played the trilogy - so, for example, Shepard and Liara can only have their Blue Kids ending if you never cheated on her. If you prefer a more somber and bittersweet ending, you can have that too. Perhaps you'd need a bit of meta-gaming to get the circumstances right, but if the Extended Cut allows clearer representation of player choice... well, why can't enough variations be produced to cover as many bases as possible? You want a happy ending? Work for it. You're okay with something darker? Make some harsh sacrifices and see what happens.

All good and fine (in a sense) but do you imagine how much work on the creator's end that would imply? Just try to understand it.

And anyway there will always be someone not pleased just because the other option exists. Some people simply want things to be as they like and they don't care at all about the rest. Sad, but true.

To not to talk about the fact that in this way you create a thing only to please audience that for the customer can seem a good thing, but it's not at all for what it concerns freedom of experssion and art.

I agree that Bioware should enjoy the process and be proud for what they made. But having an ending that compromises a ton of promises and then defending that via "artistic integrity" is utter crap.

[Jademoon121]

People just want an ending that makes sense; that doesn't contradict the franchise's messages and fulfills promises made by the ME team.

Now would I like a happy ending? Yes. I like tying up loose ends and ensuring that everyone gets something out of the conclusion no matter how dire. I'm willing to lose Shepherd and millions of lives if it helps the entire galaxy move onto a brighter future, no matter how far down the road which is expected in ME3's story. You can make peace between races at war for generations and solve deep issues to direct everyone towards a common goal.

But no, instead we get an ending that leaves more questions than answers, along with completely side-stepping all the themes, philosophical and ideological quandaries, plots, and relationships that've defined the series. It's just not a good ending.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 07 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[The Edge]

Jademoon121 wrote...

People just want an ending that makes sense; that doesn't contradict the franchise's messages and fulfills promises made by the ME team.

Now would I like a happy ending? Yes. I like tying up loose ends and ensuring that everyone gets something out of the conclusion no matter how dire. I'm willing to loose Shepherd and millions of lives if it helps the entire galaxy move onto a brighter future, no matter how far down the road which is expected in ME3's story. You can make peace between races at war for generations and solve deep issues to direct everyone towards a common goal.

But no, instead we get an ending that leaves more questions than answers, along with completely side-stepping all the themes, philosophical and ideological quandaries, plots, and relationships that've defined the series. It's just not a good ending.

^looks like a good explanation, OP.

[Get Magna Carter]

I want an ending which is coherent but not bleak and hopeless
the current ending fails the first if literal and the second if the indoctrination theory is correct (unless they were planning dlc as to what happens after Shepard opens his/her eyes..(but what to do for those who can't get that...)

[Chrillze]

I want a happy ending where the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died, the geth are extinct and shepard reunites with his crew, problem OP?

[Sgt Stryker]

Chrillze wrote...

I want a happy ending where the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died, the geth are extinct and shepard reunites with his crew, problem OP?

As long as the relays still work and the Citadel doesn't end up falling to Earth, I would actually be OK with that.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 07 avril 2012 - 08:11 .

[Azue]

I think people want a choice. Mass Effect is kinda built around that.

[o Ventus]

OP is one of those people who likes to topple other people's views and opinions on what the term "happy" means.

[o Ventus]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I want a happy ending where the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died, the geth are extinct and shepard reunites with his crew, problem OP?

As long as the relays still work and the Citadel doesn't end up falling to Earth, I would actually be OK with that.

Same. That would be legitimately bittersweet, instead of just complete crap like we have now.

[Oldbones2]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

I'll use small words since you seem to have trouble with big ones.



First of all, I never said I didn't want a happy ending.

I said the current endings are unworthy of Mass Effect and do not fit the themes of the series.


Furthermore I'm one of those 'crazy' people asking BW to honor their promise about a variety of endings that emphasize player choice.

Moreover I don't think including a relatively happy ending would harm the series at all.  Many great endings are happy and people who confuse 'dark' with 'great' are usually not very well read.

Now I don't think the happy ending should have been the only ending.  And it shouldn't have been all rainbows and sunshine either.  The choices you made should carry both positive and negative consequences just like always.  People are still going to be dead, and entire worlds will be destroyed so having a so called disney ending is pretty much impossible by the time you reach Earth.




Finally I will include a line to one of my favorite TV Tropes which would have been aplicable to ME 3


http://tvtropes.org/...YourHappyEnding

I'm just going to ask you to re-read the thread again, old man, or is it old bones. 

I stand corrected.  Apparently you can't read at all, since you seem confused by my name.



You're original post copied and pasted below.

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?



You posted about happy endings.  I posted my reason for having happy endings included.

You also posted about a galactic battle which really has nothing to do with whether or not the ending to any given story is happy or not.

[TjM78]

I actully want that option. I want my shep to retire to the countryside with Tali

[Blight Nug]

Stop throwing words like happy ending, disney ending, bitter sweet around because it means slightly different things to different people.
I want my shepard to survive and reunite with his LI, that is it. Call it whatever you want, but don't assume that I agree with whatever name you try to label me with.

[AlanC9]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

I don't think they're all about that.

But yeah, all the emotional energy on the Retake side does seem to be from folks who want a happy ending. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 avril 2012 - 08:48 .

[Icesong]

arial wrote...

I agree, I am against a happy ending. wars never end happily in RL, and various media (Games, Books, Movies, etc) need to start showing this more

You think no soldiers have gone on to have good lives after wars ended huh?

[AlanC9]

Chrillze wrote...

I want a happy ending where the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died, the geth are extinct and shepard reunites with his crew, problem OP?

I'm hearing this a lot lately -- base the "happy " ending off of the "red" path, so only a Shepard who is willing to commit genocide can have it. (This may even be Bio's design intent).

About time RenSheps got rewarded.

[Icesong]

There's a difference between wanting a happy ending and needing one OP.

[78stonewobble]

If a happy end seems to be unrealistic and thats why you don't want a happy ending...

Then presumably you would also want to remove the crazy space magic intervention and have all choices end with "Game over. The Reapers were too powerfull" right?

EDIT: But again thats a minor problem from me with the endings.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 07 avril 2012 - 09:23 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

BS copout for the real reason why people hate the ending... It didn't make sense. I really don't care for the overreaction from those that hate the ending since it's a wasted effort and generally speaking overreaction annoys me.

What's even more irritating are thread like this that generally misrepresent people's legitimate reasons for disliking the ending. Such as: It not making and sense and it being anti-climactic. 

Edit: I stand corrected. Thought this was a bash the haters thread.

Modifié par TheShogunOfHarlem, 07 avril 2012 - 09:14 .

[KyuzoS7]

bubble babies please no blue ones.

[Chrillze]

AlanC9 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

I want a happy ending where the galaxy is in ruins, billions have died, the geth are extinct and shepard reunites with his crew, problem OP?

I'm hearing this a lot lately -- base the "happy " ending off of the "red" path, so only a Shepard who is willing to commit genocide can have it. (This may even be Bio's design intent).

About time RenSheps got rewarded.

I think that would be perfect wouldn't you? you can have Shepard reunite with his/her crew but you have to make a tremendous sacrifice, that would have been great and bittersweet

[Ryven]

I'm not gonna lie. I would have loved a happy ending.

But I would have settled for one where I felt any emotion at all, instead of just "meh".

[FlashedMyDrive]

I want a happy ending...


...I also want a sad ending, a bad ending, and awful ending, a neutral ending, and a good ending. You know, different ones. Like we were promised?

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 07 avril 2012 - 09:16 .