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[Harshfact]

I wouldn't mind if there was a happy ending but i think the Reapers are just too much of a big threat to come out of alive, think about it , the cycle has continued for millions of years, you can tell by how many Reapers are there, don't you think it'd be a bit stupid if we came out of it and reunited with LI and such ? i get that people would want that but honestly i haven't seen a threat as large as the Reapers in, well any video games so i think it's the best that we've got more grey and consequence-oriented choices to stop the threat and in such a large scale as well that shakes ME universe as we know it

[Zofiya]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Again, reading comprehension, oh wise one. I said the Retake THREADS were filling with pro-disney endings, and that others were masking themselves under Retake while they really wanted pro-disney endings, aka, meaning they aren't really a part of what Retake wants at its core.

As someone already said, Retake is not monolithic; it is many people who want the same end goal (better endings), but they have different ideas about what, precisely, that means. There is no Retake Pope, who dictates what we believe and how we believe it.

I wanted three things:

1) Closure
2) Answers
3) Options

Options should include a happy ending (Shepard lives, crew lives, reunited with LI, galaxy mostly intact) as well as a failed ending (Shepard dies, crew dies, Reapers kill everyone), and a bunch of stuff in-between. If you want a bleak ending, you should be able to have it, based on the choices that you make. And if you want a wedding and babies, you should be able to have that, too, based on the choices that you make.

We may or may not be getting true closure, and answers (if "clarity" means answers), but there is, thus far, nothing to indicate that we're getting more options.

When people are upset (which many of us are, because we're not getting more options) they take refuge in things that make them feel better. That's why indoctrination theory was so popular -- it let people feel like the endings weren't as bad as they seemed. Well, now that BioWare is dangling the prospect of happy endings in front of us, people are grasping at it, because a happy ending makes them feel better. Even people who didn't initially want a traditional happy ending might cling to the prospect of a happy ending now, just because something is better than nothing.

[xPandaHunterx]

What I think a lot of people want is the chance to get a happy ending.

If you did all of the sidequests in both ME1 and 2, made all the right decisions, and then got the entire galaxy to unite (a really high EMS), why shouldn't you get a better ending than the people who just bought ME3 and/or skimmed through the other two?

What they (and I feel) is that all of it is pointless because, if you put in 200 hours and do everything that can be done to prepare for the final battle in ME3, you'll still have just pick your favorite color at the end. None of it meant anything.

They don't want Mass Effect to have a happy ending. They want your actions to matter so that maybe, if you put in the time, you are rewarded. It's perfectly fine if, if you barely did anything/made too many enemies/choose control the Reapers win, and all Advanced life is eradicated.

What they want is the chance to achieve a happy ending.


But that is totally ridiculous, right? Happy endings are way too mainstream so, even if you put in 200+ hours, the galaxy should be completely crippled, Geth must be wiped out, and Shepard has to die, right?

Modifié par xPandaHunterx, 07 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[78stonewobble]

Harshfact wrote...

I wouldn't mind if there was a happy ending but i think the Reapers are just too much of a big threat to come out of alive, think about it , the cycle has continued for millions of years, you can tell by how many Reapers are there, don't you think it'd be a bit stupid if we came out of it and reunited with LI and such ? i get that people would want that but honestly i haven't seen a threat as large as the Reapers in, well any video games so i think it's the best that we've got more grey and consequence-oriented choices to stop the threat and in such a large scale as well that shakes ME universe as we know it

No I still dont see the problem.

Let me try to put it this way as an example:

The reapers are so extremely powerfull that the chance of defeating them conventionally and/or unconventionally (space magic and what not) is 1 to 10.000.

The chance of Shepard surving a mission is eg. 30 percent (considering all the crazy missions he have allready undertaken).

In my mind it's less of a stretch for shepard to survive any mission than it is to win over the reapers.



Which is why I wouldn't mind a happy ending or just more sense to Shepards sacrifice.

[Harshfact]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

What I think a lot of people want is the chance to get a happy ending.

If you did all of the sidequests in both ME1 and 2, made all the right decisions, and then got the entire galaxy to unite (a really high EMS), why shouldn't you get a better ending than the people who just bought ME3 and/or skimmed through the other two?

What they (and I feel) is that all of it is pointless because, if you put in 200 hours and do everything that can be done to prepare for the final battle in ME3, you'll still have just pick your favorite color at the end. None of it meant anything.

They don't want Mass Effect to have a happy ending. They want your actions to matter so that maybe, if you put in the time, you are rewarded. It's perfectly fine if, if you barely did anything/made too many enemies/choose control the Reapers win, and all Advanced life is eradicated.

What they want is the chance to achieve a happy ending.


But that is totally ridiculous, right? Happy endings are way too mainstream so, even if you put in 200+ hours, the galaxy should be completely crippled, Geth must be wiped out, and Shepard has to die, right?

Isee what you mean, i get your point, i can see how exciting that might be BUT like i mentioned earlier, the narrative should come first, they should reward you for staying longer, all those stuff are true,but the reapers are just too big, surely there have been raaces united in rpevious cycles, there has been so many cycles that lots of the stuff has been done before but the Reapers are just hard to kill. they specfically strike when you are no match for them this cycle got lucky and that was mostly due to Protheans whodid most the work. what i'm saying is there should be no scenario where everyone is united, no matter how many hours you have put into the game, it would have been cool to get more choices but in the end we all know that higher EMS meant larger army and larger army doesn't really do much against The Reapers does it ?, i'm quite happy with the scale and the sacrifice tha was explained for the endings and with EC coming i'll have most of my questions answered. so while i can see how exciting it could be for people, no The Reapers are just too big to even include a happy ending

[TheGreenAlloy]

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

[FlashedMyDrive]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

Renegade Shep got what he always wanted after all.

[Harshfact]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

Parsgon shep fights with honor and dignity, renegade shep is willing to toss away those for victory, both quite awesome and both are very damn good at it if u ask me. there is no reason to draw a line between our renegade brothers and us

[Cloudwulf]

I never said i didn´t want a happy ending. Indeed i want a happy ending, because now i have the choice between, dying, dying and oh lets see... dying. A happy ending qould be a good other choice.

[ReshyShira]

The funny thing is that sad endings are more common than happy ones.

[Sgt Stryker]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

Renegade should not be synonymous with failure.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 07 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

Renegade Shep got what he always wanted after all.

Unless his favourite color is purple.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

A Paragon Shep fights for a happy end through all 3 games and get nothing, a Renegade gets to choose from 3 different colours to screw the galaxy over with.

Renegade should not be synonymous with failure.

Not the case, either. Just, you know, careless.

See, one of the really cool things Mac Walters did in ME3 was to let us dicuss our motivations. 

[Blight Nug]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Bump, cuz now its truer than ever. A significant chunk of pro-Disney enders are masking themselves under the Retake movement. Why would you ever want a super happy ending to Mass Effect?!

please define what you mean as a super happy ending. Is it one where every soul that died in the reaper war s resurrected by space magic?

I want a ending where my shepard and most of his crew survives and help rebuild the world. Just like in real wars there are survives that rebuild what was destoryed. And I would consider this to be my "happy ending".

[CerberusCheerleader]

See, if DA:O would have had only one ending, (say, the one where you sacrifice yourself to defeat the archedemon) then there would have been the same discussions like there are now, with some people explaining to others why it was all about sacrifice, why it couldn't have been any other way, etc. It would have been wrong then and it is wrong now. People want non-linear endings for a non-linear game. Understand? 

Modifié par CerberusCheerleader, 07 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

CerberusCheerleader wrote...

See, if DA:O would have had only one ending, (say, the one where you sacrifice yourself to defeat the archedemon) then there would have been the same discussions like there are now, with some people explaining to others why it was all about sacrifice, why it couldn't have been any other way, etc. It would have been wrong then and it is wrong now. People want non-linear endings for a non-linear game. Understand? 

Yeah.

If you want a sad ending, the Mass Effect series  is about choice, so you should be able to create a gorram sad ending. Likewise for a happy ending.

[MICHELLE7]

People want different things...looks like the dlc may give more explanation to the ending we were given but some people would like a variety of endings...more than just one ending with three ways to get there. If they actually gave more endings I don't see why a happy one couldn't be included. As for what that might be...I suspect many people would be satisfied with being able to have Shep reunite with his/her LI...just a guess on my part.

[DeinonSlayer]

Everyone has their own definitions about what constitutes a "happy ending." I absolutely think an ending where Shepard reunites with crew/LI should be available, and I absolutely think you should have to give something else up to get it (red ending). Others would view an ending where Shepard dies to give the Geth a future in the aftermath of the Reaper war (blue ending) as their preferred outcome. Balance. The guy who wrote this epilogue generator has the right idea, and should the optional clarification DLC fall short of expectations, I'm happy to accept it as canon.

There really is a lot they could still do at this point, but, for better or worse, Bioware has stated definitively that there will be no retcon excising the star child, and no new endings, so I don't see much point in continuing to debate them.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

I find it funny that people think the current ending is so dark, sad and avant garde since it wasn't a Hollywood ending. You guys do realize that sad endings are pretty much just as cliche as happy endings. To me a truly dark ending for ME3 would not have a contrived defeat of the Reapers. They would only be delayed or the Surviving members of the Galaxy would have to abandon the Milky way since the Reaper Attack Fleet was only a small sample of the entire Reaper Fleet. The rest are still in Dark Space waiting for the Citadel to be activated.

[aRandomJoe]

I want a happy ending. Thats my choice. I dont think it should be the only choice. I thought this game was about player choice and that they mattered?

[o Ventus]

xPandaHunterx wrote...

What I think a lot of people want is the chance to get a happy ending.

If you did all of the sidequests in both ME1 and 2, made all the right decisions, and then got the entire galaxy to unite (a really high EMS), why shouldn't you get a better ending than the people who just bought ME3 and/or skimmed through the other two?

What they (and I feel) is that all of it is pointless because, if you put in 200 hours and do everything that can be done to prepare for the final battle in ME3, you'll still have just pick your favorite color at the end. None of it meant anything.

They don't want Mass Effect to have a happy ending. They want your actions to matter so that maybe, if you put in the time, you are rewarded. It's perfectly fine if, if you barely did anything/made too many enemies/choose control the Reapers win, and all Advanced life is eradicated.

What they want is the chance to achieve a happy ending.


But that is totally ridiculous, right? Happy endings are way too mainstream so, even if you put in 200+ hours, the galaxy should be completely crippled, Geth must be wiped out, and Shepard has to die, right?

Pretty much this.

[LOLandStuff]

I was expecting Shepard to die. After finishing ME2 and seeing the Reaper fleet, I had no illusion of happy endings. But what I wasn't expecting was a such a lame ending.
I was expecting a final battle with Harbinger. He's been obsessed with Shepard. Everything about Shepard was personal. His main concern since killing Shepard was retrieving his body, and through ME2 he still was expecting to study your corpse, preferably preserved right.
I was ready to sacrifice Shepard in a fight against Harbinger.
Yeah, one of my Shepards said to Liara he wanted blue children. but that's just keeping an optimistic attitude. Hope. I say a lot of things but that doesn't mean I have to do them just because I said them.
That's what I don't get. Just because you got the option of saying you want babies that doesn't mean you have to go and start reproducing.
Still, it wouldn't have hurt if there was a happy ending instead of an RGB.

[AlanC9]

aristaea wrote...
Options should include a happy ending (Shepard lives, crew lives, reunited with LI, galaxy mostly intact) as well as a failed ending (Shepard dies, crew dies, Reapers kill everyone), and a bunch of stuff in-between. If you want a bleak ending, you should be able to have it, based on the choices that you make. And if you want a wedding and babies, you should be able to have that, too, based on the choices that you make.

The unhappy ending you describe there isn't Shepard making a choice. It's Shepard making a mistake.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

aristaea wrote...
Options should include a happy ending (Shepard lives, crew lives, reunited with LI, galaxy mostly intact) as well as a failed ending (Shepard dies, crew dies, Reapers kill everyone), and a bunch of stuff in-between. If you want a bleak ending, you should be able to have it, based on the choices that you make. And if you want a wedding and babies, you should be able to have that, too, based on the choices that you make.

The unhappy ending you describe there isn't Shepard making a choice. It's Shepard making a mistake.

It took me a while to understand where you were coming from, Alan, but now I absolutely agree with you. Those endings should exist, but there should be a price for them. Question is, is it a price you're willing to pay?