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[78stonewobble]

"0.001 chance of beating the reapers."

Oh ok.

"0.0003 chance of beating the reapers and have shepard live."

Omg. how unrealistic. That shouldn't be in the game.

-.-

[Machazareel]

Billions of people across the galaxy are dead. Earth and other Homeworlds are devastated and have suffered massive damage to all their major cities. Several people close to Shepard have already bit the dust...

The Reapers could start farting rainbows and build a clubhouse for shep and his crew and it still wouldn't be a disney/happy ending. The galaxy has a lot of work ahead of it regardless.

[Turian_punk_75]

I'd rather see aa happy ending where Shepard fires the crucible, it sends out a pulse which weakens the Reaper's armour considerably. Hackket opens fire on one, it's destroyed. We then see Turian Snipers taking down Maruders, Krogans rushing Brutes and slaying them. Asari Commandos tearing Banshee's asunder with Biotics, Humans punching husks into the River Thames as Reapers explode all around them.

Job done, fade to black.

[catbertz]

I would be fine with a depressing ending. I think it was a long shot to beat the Reapers. I expected that if we won, there would be massive devastation in the aftermath. The Reapers were, and should be understood as a threat that has slaughtered advanced species for millions of years. I was disappointed with the trite endings using space magic and harry potter nonsense, instead of realistic brutality.

It doesn't seem to matter what we think anyway. We are considered "entitled/spoiled" children. They've decided to explain the ending again. lol

[tanker4444]

 What's wrong with a happy ending? I don't recall ME being about the hopelessness of it all? Did I miss something along the way?  

What about this? Different endings for different Shepards, not only is everyone happier but you have more replayability.

No? Yeah, you're probably right, that would mess up whatever continuity they needed for their next ME game already in production.

[TheGreenAlloy]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Everyone has their own definitions about what constitutes a "happy ending." I absolutely think an ending where Shepard reunites with crew/LI should be available, and I absolutely think you should have to give something else up to get it (red ending). Others would view an ending where Shepard dies to give the Geth a future in the aftermath of the Reaper war (blue ending) as their preferred outcome. Balance. The guy who wrote this epilogue generator has the right idea, and should the optional clarification DLC fall short of expectations, I'm happy to accept it as canon.

There really is a lot they could still do at this point, but, for better or worse, Bioware has stated definitively that there will be no retcon excising the star child, and no new endings, so I don't see much point in continuing to debate them.

Oh my god, that epilogue generator is fantastic!

[TheGreenAlloy]

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

I'd rather see aa happy ending where Shepard fires the crucible, it sends out a pulse which weakens the Reaper's armour considerably. Hackket opens fire on one, it's destroyed. We then see Turian Snipers taking down Maruders, Krogans rushing Brutes and slaying them. Asari Commandos tearing Banshee's asunder with Biotics, Humans punching husks into the River Thames as Reapers explode all around them.

Job done, fade to black.

Yep. 

Oh, and don't forget Elcor with shoulder-mounted guns, Volus bombing fleet, Terminus Mercenaries, Geth Primes, Rachni, ME2 survivors kicking ass, and every other gorram resource and war asset we struggled to collect.

[AlexMBrennan]

Why do you care? Seriously. I get that you don't want all movies to have Disney-style happy endings because you don't want to see happy endings (maybe there's not enough suffering and death in your reality?).

But this is an optional happy ending to a video game we are talking about. An ending that you will never see unless you go looking for it. Why are you so petty that you want to deny this to those that want a happy ending?

Hint: Go see a Shakespeare tragedy - you can be sure that everyone'll be dead at the end.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 08 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[slimgrin]

So did Casey Hudson start this thread?

Anyway, it's never been about a happy ending, it's been about a competent one.

[Turian_punk_75]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

I'd rather see aa happy ending where Shepard fires the crucible, it sends out a pulse which weakens the Reaper's armour considerably. Hackket opens fire on one, it's destroyed. We then see Turian Snipers taking down Maruders, Krogans rushing Brutes and slaying them. Asari Commandos tearing Banshee's asunder with Biotics, Humans punching husks into the River Thames as Reapers explode all around them.

Job done, fade to black.

Yep. 

Oh, and don't forget Elcor with shoulder-mounted guns, Volus bombing fleet, Terminus Mercenaries, Geth Primes, Rachni, ME2 survivors kicking ass, and every other gorram resource and war asset we struggled to collect.

See, this is what the current 'ending lovers' don't seem to get. 110 gaming hours playing through Mass Effect 1,2,and 3, every desicion I made affects the story (playing through 1 I would level up Charm to max so I could save Wrex so I would see him in 2 and 3), every rescource collected, every war asset found and added, two MP characters Leveled up to 20 and promoed (okay I did that for Operation Raptor mainly but stil). Yet on my third playthrough... R, G, and ****ing 8 endings... It's pointless.

You hit the nail right on the head with your post here. And yeah Elcor gunning down Cannibals and stomping them. BW didn't make them the most physically strongest race in the Galaxy for them to sit on the sidelines...

[GambitAce88]

In all honesty I expected Shepard to making some sort of sacrafice to help to stop or destroy the reapers. I knew he was not going to make out of the end of this and when Hackett came over the comms I truly thought that Shepard had to be the catalyst for the weapon to work. Sacraficing himself to allow the weapon to do its work. Instead we got something from way out of left field as the ending that only brought up more questions and inconsistencies.

If they had ended with Anderson and Shepard dieing on the citadel and the crucible destroying or disabling the reapers I would have been happy.
 
If in his dieing moments Shepard flashed back to the people who were important in his like, Joker, Anderson, Liara, GARRUS, MIRANDA (My love interest), etc,than I would have been happy.

If they had showed flashes of battles where the rest of the galaxy was cleaning up the reapers in fights or celebrating disabled reapers because I had gathered every war asset possible I would have been happy.

If they had showed a funeral for Anderson and Shepard and monuments to those who died to save their galaxy and maybe a pregnant Miranda ( I would consider that my happy ending) I would have been happy with that.

Instead we get an elevator to the god child whose logic makes no sense after I untied the Geth and Quarians. Who Shepard only slightly disagrees with, which is way out of character for him.

We get three very similar endings with changing of colors being the only difference between the three.

We get Joker flying away from the Mass Relays exploading after just using one, which makes no sense because he was back at Earth still fighting and the squad members who had been running with me walk out of the ship.

I get an ending after playing 38 hours through ME 3, with imports from 1 and 2, that the person playing 12 hours of the game starting with ME3 will get.

The ending was in many aspects very dissapointing and this is the first thread that I am actually posting my remarks on because I have stood quiet for too long.

Do I want a new ending? Yes. But because this story deserves more from an ending than it got with the present one.

Do I want a happy ending? Well as described above, a pregnant Miranda moarning the loss of Shepard would have been happy enough for me. Shepard had to make the ultimate sacrafice at the end of this. There was no way around that.

Modifié par GambitAce88, 08 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[CELL55]

The point is that we should have gotten multiple endings. It has always been the case that if you work hard, you can get a great ending. A "Golden Ending" was even promised. But we should also have gotten a 'Reapers Win' ending, which was also promised. All we really got is different colored explosions and mass starvation.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

I'd rather see aa happy ending where Shepard fires the crucible, it sends out a pulse which weakens the Reaper's armour considerably. Hackket opens fire on one, it's destroyed. We then see Turian Snipers taking down Maruders, Krogans rushing Brutes and slaying them. Asari Commandos tearing Banshee's asunder with Biotics, Humans punching husks into the River Thames as Reapers explode all around them.

Job done, fade to black.

Yep. 

Oh, and don't forget Elcor with shoulder-mounted guns, Volus bombing fleet, Terminus Mercenaries, Geth Primes, Rachni, ME2 survivors kicking ass, and every other gorram resource and war asset we struggled to collect.

See, this is what the current 'ending lovers' don't seem to get. 110 gaming hours playing through Mass Effect 1,2,and 3, every desicion I made affects the story (playing through 1 I would level up Charm to max so I could save Wrex so I would see him in 2 and 3), every rescource collected, every war asset found and added, two MP characters Leveled up to 20 and promoed (okay I did that for Operation Raptor mainly but stil). Yet on my third playthrough... R, G, and ****ing 8 endings... It's pointless.

You hit the nail right on the head with your post here. And yeah Elcor gunning down Cannibals and stomping them. BW didn't make them the most physically strongest race in the Galaxy for them to sit on the sidelines...

Damn right! I didn't go to the War Room and went to the galaxy map to find out where the hell the Elcor came from and then went through every system in that region and then locate the planet and go to it and scan it for nothing. Oh wait, I did. I could make a bigger impact on my EMS by playing some MP. 

I did everything. Seriously, I was worried sick when I found out it was better to save Sidonis in ME2. I thought, "****, Garrus won't be optimal in ME3". Heh. 

Oh, and on another character I basically screwed everyone over and did as few sidemissions as possible.

Wanna know how wildy different the conclusions to these two characters were? A clip of Shep inhaling (How did Shep survive that anyway? How much of the Starbrats BS was real and proper BS, considering he said you'd die if you chose destroy. Oh, and being caught in a huge-ass explosion in space and then falling to Earth whilst already bleeding out is appearantly not too difficult for Shepard).


What a cluster****.

[shootist70]

It's not as simple as wanting a happy ending...but I'll explain by way of  a post I put here a couple of days ago:

First, a quick disclaimer - I loved ME3, it was a little whirlwind of a game that had me caught up from start to...almost the finish. Like most folks I have big problems with the ending, and there's damned good reason why myself and so many others do, and it's all to do with the age-old conventions of satisfying story-telling - catharsis.

Effective drama should escalate our emotional involvement, and then release all that tension by reaching a climax that feels congruent with the rest of the story...something that makes sense and seems 'natural'. Put bluntly, drama should sex us up, and then...'bring us off'.

Get this wrong and you fail to release that tension. The net result is then just simple frustration for the audience (and there's lots of that going on around here).

A great way to achieve this frustration is to sacrifice a protagonist or main character simply for melodramatic value in the ending, and hang the whole tale on that. That's cheap. Sacrifice should only be done when it's a natural progression for that character, and a clear way for the character to 'grow' in line with the development of the rest of the drama.

That's usually done on a very personalised level that we, the audience, can emotively connect with. We tend to see very familiar themes even in 'epic' drama - family, love etc...because we can undetand the need for sacrifice there. Nobody can connect to sacrifice in the name of fictional empires and republics, but effective drama ties the familiar with the epic to give the sacrifice immediate meaning. The epic backdrop simply gives grandeur, but that needs to be grounded in our personal experience, especially if we're going to go sacrificing characters for it.

To try and clear this up with some familiar examples, take Maximus from Ridley Scott's Gladiator - here was a guy who died in the name of the Republic, but the audience knew that, above all, he just wanted to be reunited with his family. So Maxmimus 'grew' upon his death, in line with events from very early on in the drama.

Much the same goes for a character like Darth Vader, who very much grew upon his sacrifice. Again, all done in line with the whole story, and ties up neatly the personalised tale of one lad trying to come to terms with dear old dysfunctional dad.

Both of those sacrifices gave a rational and sensible sense of emotional release - because they were fitting and had immediate meaning.

ME3 never establishes this sense of inevitability around Shephard, and the sacrifice is done in the name of the sort of grade B melodrama that abounds in poor space-opera. To call it 'artistic' is a bit...laughable, as it's devoid of artistic merit.

I could understand a character like, say, Jack, growing through this sort of sacrifice (the Jack from ME2, that is, not the cheesy ME3 version), because this severely dysfunctional character could have found the sort of peace and attainment that was totally at odds with her - real balance would have been struck.

But for Shephard and the deus ex machina end? Nah...total frustration, and a real failure in use of catharsis.

[Turian_punk_75]

Here's how it should be done

War assets under 1000
Wrex dies
Council dies
Udina made councillor
Didn't destroy collector base
25 percent of ME2 squad survived.
50 percent or less of all missions are done

ENDING: Shepard makes it to the Crucible control room, battered and bruised, he's about to fire the Crucible but is shot by TIM. Shep dies, TIM fired the crucible, the Reapers stop attacking, take off and gather around the citadel. TIM now rules the Galaxy... We'll call that ****ty ending or Red

3500 and under War assets
Wrex is saved
Council is saved
Udina made councillor
Collector base is destroyed
50 percent of ME2 squad survived
51 to 75 percent off all side missions (not including DLC) are done

ENDING: Shepard gets to the Crucible, he's bruised and bashed about. He's about to fire the Crucible when TIM comes out and tries to stop him. Shepard shoots TIM and fires, Shep becomes one with the Reapers and orders the Reapers to cease attacking and go back to Dark space... Shepards sqauddies mourn Shepard. This will be designated not so ****ty but still sad ending or Blue

4900 or above war assets
Wrex survives
Council lives
Anderson is made councilor
Collector base destroyed
All ME2 squad survive
Ashley/Kaidan or Liara are romanced
90 percent of all side missions are done (not including DLC)

ENDING: Shepard enters the Crucible in full health. He's about to fire it when TIM come forth, saying to Shepard not to be a fool and use this as an opportunity to assert Humanity's power. Shepard tells TIM to GFH, Shepard and TIM fight, Shep whoops TIM's ass and arrests him. Shepard fires the Crucible. A green pulse is fired which severely weakens the Reapers, Hackett opens fire on one and obliterates it. Allied morale Skyrockets and Reaper ground forces are smashed. Quarian and Geth fleets pound a group of soverign class Reapers into space dust. Shepard survives. We get an epilogue of Shepard and his choosen romance walking on Earth (Rannoch if your Shep romanced Tali... Without her helmet on). We get a quick update how the Krogans have been civilised and Grunt is a Spectre, how Garrus now runs C-sec, and how TIM is now serving life in prison. We get some romantic dialogue, a kiss and fade to black. This is all is well happy ending, or Green

Thats what I want to see...

[TheGreenAlloy]

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

Here's how it should be done

War assets under 1000
Wrex dies
Council dies
Udina made councillor
Didn't destroy collector base
25 percent of ME2 squad survived.
50 percent or less of all missions are done

ENDING: Shepard makes it to the Crucible control room, battered and bruised, he's about to fire the Crucible but is shot by TIM. Shep dies, TIM fired the crucible, the Reapers stop attacking, take off and gather around the citadel. TIM now rules the Galaxy... We'll call that ****ty ending or Red

3500 and under War assets
Wrex is saved
Council is saved
Udina made councillor
Collector base is destroyed
50 percent of ME2 squad survived
51 to 75 percent off all side missions (not including DLC) are done

ENDING: Shepard gets to the Crucible, he's bruised and bashed about. He's about to fire the Crucible when TIM comes out and tries to stop him. Shepard shoots TIM and fires, Shep becomes one with the Reapers and orders the Reapers to cease attacking and go back to Dark space... Shepards sqauddies mourn Shepard. This will be designated not so ****ty but still sad ending or Blue

4900 or above war assets
Wrex survives
Council lives
Anderson is made councilor
Collector base destroyed
All ME2 squad survive
Ashley/Kaidan or Liara are romanced
90 percent of all side missions are done (not including DLC)

ENDING: Shepard enters the Crucible in full health. He's about to fire it when TIM come forth, saying to Shepard not to be a fool and use this as an opportunity to assert Humanity's power. Shepard tells TIM to GFH, Shepard and TIM fight, Shep whoops TIM's ass and arrests him. Shepard fires the Crucible. A green pulse is fired which severely weakens the Reapers, Hackett opens fire on one and obliterates it. Allied morale Skyrockets and Reaper ground forces are smashed. Quarian and Geth fleets pound a group of soverign class Reapers into space dust. Shepard survives. We get an epilogue of Shepard and his choosen romance walking on Earth (Rannoch if your Shep romanced Tali... Without her helmet on). We get a quick update how the Krogans have been civilised and Grunt is a Spectre, how Garrus now runs C-sec, and how TIM is now serving life in prison. We get some romantic dialogue, a kiss and fade to black. This is all is well happy ending, or Green

Thats what I want to see...

Something like that. I would like some nods against the various characters and factions in those endings of yours, though.

[Dridengx]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Hawke_12 wrote...

Obviously you've missed the point on why the majority of people hate the endings.

Obviously, you have no reading comprehension. I didn't say anywhere that the majority wanted a happy ending, did I? Nope. Try again. 

nice one. I want to understand sometimes to help ease their suffering but they make it so hard. Goodluck OutlawTorn6806

[PiEman]

Honestly, only some of the ****s here could call Shepard surviving after we've spent the game watching billions of people die "A Disney ending".

Did you see London in the last mission? It's already bitter by default, you just had to add some sweet at this point. Seriously, you people aren't satisfied until you start seeing news reports about people hanging themselves over how depressing every possible ending was.

...or, would be, if there were more than one.

[PiEman]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

Here's how it should be done

War assets under 1000
Wrex dies
Council dies
Udina made councillor
Didn't destroy collector base
25 percent of ME2 squad survived.
50 percent or less of all missions are done

ENDING: Shepard makes it to the Crucible control room, battered and bruised, he's about to fire the Crucible but is shot by TIM. Shep dies, TIM fired the crucible, the Reapers stop attacking, take off and gather around the citadel. TIM now rules the Galaxy... We'll call that ****ty ending or Red

3500 and under War assets
Wrex is saved
Council is saved
Udina made councillor
Collector base is destroyed
50 percent of ME2 squad survived
51 to 75 percent off all side missions (not including DLC) are done

ENDING: Shepard gets to the Crucible, he's bruised and bashed about. He's about to fire the Crucible when TIM comes out and tries to stop him. Shepard shoots TIM and fires, Shep becomes one with the Reapers and orders the Reapers to cease attacking and go back to Dark space... Shepards sqauddies mourn Shepard. This will be designated not so ****ty but still sad ending or Blue

4900 or above war assets
Wrex survives
Council lives
Anderson is made councilor
Collector base destroyed
All ME2 squad survive
Ashley/Kaidan or Liara are romanced
90 percent of all side missions are done (not including DLC)

ENDING: Shepard enters the Crucible in full health. He's about to fire it when TIM come forth, saying to Shepard not to be a fool and use this as an opportunity to assert Humanity's power. Shepard tells TIM to GFH, Shepard and TIM fight, Shep whoops TIM's ass and arrests him. Shepard fires the Crucible. A green pulse is fired which severely weakens the Reapers, Hackett opens fire on one and obliterates it. Allied morale Skyrockets and Reaper ground forces are smashed. Quarian and Geth fleets pound a group of soverign class Reapers into space dust. Shepard survives. We get an epilogue of Shepard and his choosen romance walking on Earth (Rannoch if your Shep romanced Tali... Without her helmet on). We get a quick update how the Krogans have been civilised and Grunt is a Spectre, how Garrus now runs C-sec, and how TIM is now serving life in prison. We get some romantic dialogue, a kiss and fade to black. This is all is well happy ending, or Green

Thats what I want to see...

Something like that. I would like some nods against the various characters and factions in those endings of yours, though.

Actually, instead of TIM serving prison time, it'd be more ironic if the Alliance started doing tests on him (alive) to see how the indocrination affected him, to see if they can find some kind of cure for the people throughout the galaxy who were left indoctrinated after the end.

[Heather Cline]

Obviously you aren't reading what people are posting. We aren't asking for a disney ending. We are asking that Shepard end up with her/his LI in the end and have the option of settling down and living out her/his life as one of the Possible endings to the game. You would also have the ending where Shepard dies.

The fact is Shepard with the stupid Deus Ex Machina AI child was character assassinated in the last 15 minutes of the game. Shepard did not tell the AI child to screw off, did not have the option of telling the AI child it was wrong.

Shepard acted completely out of character and just did what the AI child told her/him to do. That was not who Shepard was at all.

We also wanted the option of having the Mass Relays not destroyed. Options is the key word here and we did not get it.

You who love the bleak ending could keep it. Those who want a happy type ending would get that too. It wouldn't be all sunshine, rainbows and laughter. It would be a happy type ending because you survived against all odds. You got to go home to your wife/lover and live out the rest of your life with her/him. There is still rebuilding, there is still having to go through hard times ahead.

That is what many of us want. Not a Disney ending where everyone survives, where there is song and dance and everything is perfectly normal.

So you the OP and those who agree with him/her are missing the point.

[JamieCOTC]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

It does have a happy ending.  It's "specualtion for everyone," so I can specualte a reunited Shep & crew through green ending if I want.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 08 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[TRISTAN WERBE]

I just want to kill Harbinger Personally that asswipe pissed me off