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[SpideyKnight]

 I disagree, I don't think that a game about choices should be pigeon-holed into a single ending.  Happy, sad, or tragic, it doesn't matter.  Our actions should matter, what we did should place our Shepard on a metaphysical line.  At one end of that line is absolute defeat, the other being the best possible victory.  Depending on where you fall on that line the tone of your ending changes.  Saying that a happy ending just shouldn't exist is some contrived nonsense.  Not every war story is a sad one.  Tragedy is not something new and creative.  Charades that try to hide the Pigeon-holed, tired, contrived, failed pseudo-intellectual nonsense is not something you should strive for.  Even the most egregious use of cliches are better than that.

Do I want a happy ending?  Sure, but I also want a sad one, a tragic one, one that shows victory through sacrifice, etc....Yes I want a wide range of them, this is a huge trilogy with a wide range of choice and consequences and the endings should reflect that.  They don't, that's a problem, and hopefully that gets corrected. 

[KainrycKarr]

How about an ending that isn't rainbows and bunnies, but is at least emotionally fulfilling?

I don't know about you, but having to sacrifice an entire race, even a synthetic once, just to survive and have a chance at seeing my loved one and comrade again....that's pretty bittersweet to me.

It's a good mix of happiness, but at a price.

[xenu101]

arial wrote...

I agree, I am against a happy ending. wars never end happily in RL, and various media (Games, Books, Movies, etc) need to start showing this more

Sure they do. You survive the war and go home. That is about as happy as it gets. I should know, I've been in one. And I'm glad I came home to the States in one piece and didn't get my face shot off by some insurgent. See: Happy ending, I'm still alive and have all my body parts.

Still, Shepard didn't need to die, he could've lived. But that's not the real problem. The real problem is that the endings just flat out suck.

[TheGreenAlloy]

Heather Cline wrote...

Obviously you aren't reading what people are posting. We aren't asking for a disney ending. We are asking that Shepard end up with her/his LI in the end and have the option of settling down and living out her/his life as one of the Possible endings to the game. You would also have the ending where Shepard dies.

The fact is Shepard with the stupid Deus Ex Machina AI child was character assassinated in the last 15 minutes of the game. Shepard did not tell the AI child to screw off, did not have the option of telling the AI child it was wrong.

Shepard acted completely out of character and just did what the AI child told her/him to do. That was not who Shepard was at all.

We also wanted the option of having the Mass Relays not destroyed. Options is the key word here and we did not get it.

You who love the bleak ending could keep it. Those who want a happy type ending would get that too. It wouldn't be all sunshine, rainbows and laughter. It would be a happy type ending because you survived against all odds. You got to go home to your wife/lover and live out the rest of your life with her/him. There is still rebuilding, there is still having to go through hard times ahead.

That is what many of us want. Not a Disney ending where everyone survives, where there is song and dance and everything is perfectly normal.

So you the OP and those who agree with him/her are missing the point.

QFT

[LordDeimos4]

All i have to say is i want endings like Dragon Age: Origins. It was done perfectly and i see no reason why they couldn't have done this for ME3.

[nocbl2]

Because I didn't pay $60 dollars to be depressed and watch my favorite series and all the story in it be crushed.

[Turian_punk_75]

PiEman wrote...

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

Here's how it should be done

War assets under 1000
Wrex dies
Council dies
Udina made councillor
Didn't destroy collector base
25 percent of ME2 squad survived.
50 percent or less of all missions are done

ENDING: Shepard makes it to the Crucible control room, battered and bruised, he's about to fire the Crucible but is shot by TIM. Shep dies, TIM fired the crucible, the Reapers stop attacking, take off and gather around the citadel. TIM now rules the Galaxy... We'll call that ****ty ending or Red

3500 and under War assets
Wrex is saved
Council is saved
Udina made councillor
Collector base is destroyed
50 percent of ME2 squad survived
51 to 75 percent off all side missions (not including DLC) are done

ENDING: Shepard gets to the Crucible, he's bruised and bashed about. He's about to fire the Crucible when TIM comes out and tries to stop him. Shepard shoots TIM and fires, Shep becomes one with the Reapers and orders the Reapers to cease attacking and go back to Dark space... Shepards sqauddies mourn Shepard. This will be designated not so ****ty but still sad ending or Blue

4900 or above war assets
Wrex survives
Council lives
Anderson is made councilor
Collector base destroyed
All ME2 squad survive
Ashley/Kaidan or Liara are romanced
90 percent of all side missions are done (not including DLC)

ENDING: Shepard enters the Crucible in full health. He's about to fire it when TIM come forth, saying to Shepard not to be a fool and use this as an opportunity to assert Humanity's power. Shepard tells TIM to GFH, Shepard and TIM fight, Shep whoops TIM's ass and arrests him. Shepard fires the Crucible. A green pulse is fired which severely weakens the Reapers, Hackett opens fire on one and obliterates it. Allied morale Skyrockets and Reaper ground forces are smashed. Quarian and Geth fleets pound a group of soverign class Reapers into space dust. Shepard survives. We get an epilogue of Shepard and his choosen romance walking on Earth (Rannoch if your Shep romanced Tali... Without her helmet on). We get a quick update how the Krogans have been civilised and Grunt is a Spectre, how Garrus now runs C-sec, and how TIM is now serving life in prison. We get some romantic dialogue, a kiss and fade to black. This is all is well happy ending, or Green

Thats what I want to see...

Something like that. I would like some nods against the various characters and factions in those endings of yours, though.

Actually, instead of TIM serving prison time, it'd be more ironic if the Alliance started doing tests on him (alive) to see how the indocrination affected him, to see if they can find some kind of cure for the people throughout the galaxy who were left indoctrinated after the end.

I can see that working, Krogan anal probes an all hehe, sorry, my sick sense of Humor kicking in there.

Okay, what you said. TIM being experimented on to cure indoctrination.

Also, Krogan and Quarians on the Citadel Council
The Mass Relays survivng all endings (adds closure and keeps the story open for any future games)
Eve and Wrex's kid.
Garrus finding his dad and sister alive.
EDI and Joker facing down traditionalist opposition to their now publiscised romance.
Zaeed joining C-sec and becoming ME's equivelent of Jack Regan from the Sweeny.
Aria getting Omega back from straggler Cerberus forces (DLC)
A bitter relative of Udina taking control of Cerberus and turning it into somthing even more sinister.

Yeah, that'll do for me.

[DiE231]

OP, I'm assuming you actually played the trilogy, so, what did you think of Priority: Tuchanka? It was awesome, wasn't it? All the choices you made throught all 3 games affecting the final outcome and the way the mission plays, amazing stuff.


Priority Rannoch? Same thing.


Now, take a look at Priority: Thessia, Priority: Earth + the ending and tell me whats wrong with them.

Modifié par DiE231, 08 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[Turian_punk_75]

DiE231 wrote...

OP, I'm assuming you actually played the trilogy, so, what did you think of Priority: Tuchanka? It was awesome, wasn't it? All the choices you made throught all 3 games affecting the final outcome and the way the mission plays, amazing stuff.


Priority Rannoch? Same thing.


Now, take a look at Priority: Earth and the ending and tell me whats wrong with it.

This is probably the best example of what the ME players are asking for.

Priority: Tuchanka's ending actually brought a tear to my eye on the Wrex/Eve ending... My hat goes off to Eve's VA.

But yeah, Priority: Earth should have been like that...

[PiEman]

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

DiE231 wrote...

OP, I'm assuming you actually played the trilogy, so, what did you think of Priority: Tuchanka? It was awesome, wasn't it? All the choices you made throught all 3 games affecting the final outcome and the way the mission plays, amazing stuff.


Priority Rannoch? Same thing.


Now, take a look at Priority: Earth and the ending and tell me whats wrong with it.

This is probably the best example of what the ME players are asking for.

Priority: Tuchanka's ending actually brought a tear to my eye on the Wrex/Eve ending... My hat goes off to Eve's VA.

But yeah, Priority: Earth should have been like that...

That's what just boggles my mind about all this.

They did those two so well, how can they actually stand behind what they did with the end?

[InvincibleHero]

GambitAce88 wrote...

I get an ending after playing 38 hours through ME 3, with imports from 1 and 2, that the person playing 12 hours of the game starting with ME3 will get.

I do not understand this rationale at all except in one of selfishness. They paid $60 same as you. You got your unique experiences in the past game and more content in ME3 (both in time and richness of experience) and you also want to give them a worse ending. We deserve no special privilege from playing the previous games as they already delivered on the experience. They have to treat all their customers equally. Players of previous MEs already got their benefits.

[DiE231]

InvincibleHero wrote...

GambitAce88 wrote...

I get an ending after playing 38 hours through ME 3, with imports from 1 and 2, that the person playing 12 hours of the game starting with ME3 will get.

I do not understand this rationale at all except in one of selfishness. They paid $60 same as you. You got your unique experiences in the past game and more content in ME3 (both in time and richness of experience) and you also want to give them a worse ending. We deserve no special privilege from playing the previous games as they already delivered on the experience. They have to treat all their customers equally. Players of previous MEs already got their benefits.

You're wrong, and BW also thinks you're wrong. If you played the trilogy Tuchanka and Rannoch are a COMPLETELY different story.


What happened is that BW ran out of time, resources, EA decided to leave it like that to profit from DLC',s, all of the later, etc.


You made me LOL thought, they did it for the customers... yeah, right..

Modifié par DiE231, 08 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[Slash1667]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

First thing we need to do is define what they mean by "happy ending". I personally believe MY version of a happy ending would be the council worlds in ruins, Shepard having a chance to survive (not just an unidentified chest taking a breath) Cut scenes of rebuilding and at the VERY end MAYBE have a much older Shepard (think late 40s to early 50s) sitting on a beach with LI and Garrus (and Tali with Garrus if not Shep's LI) having that drink.

[DeinonSlayer]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

Right... because there were no World War 2 veterans who survived the fighting and got it in their heads to come home and start making babies.


I swear, I'll never understand the clique that thinks the Hero Must Die in every conceivable outcome.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 08 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[Slash1667]

DiE231 wrote...

OP, I'm assuming you actually played the trilogy, so, what did you think of Priority: Tuchanka? It was awesome, wasn't it? All the choices you made throught all 3 games affecting the final outcome and the way the mission plays, amazing stuff.


Priority Rannoch? Same thing.


Now, take a look at Priority: Thessia, Priority: Earth + the ending and tell me whats wrong with them.

I actually had no problem with Priority: Thessia. I thought it worked quite well....Priority Earth worked too but it just didn't have a pay off.

[hex23]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...
I said the Retake THREADS were filling with pro-disney endings....

Uh....no they weren't. Ever. What the hell are you talking about? Link these threads up please because I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Well]

LordDeimos4 wrote...

All i have to say is i want endings like Dragon Age: Origins. It was done perfectly and i see no reason why they couldn't have done this for ME3.

I agree.I don't understand how they could do something like DAO Epic ending and ME 3 gets space magic.

To the Op nice job getting that talking point in.Didn't take long did it.

[PiEman]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

Right... because there were no World War 2 veterans who survived the fighting and got it in their heads to come home and start making babies.


I swear, I'll never understand the clique that thinks the Hero Must Die in every conceivable outcome.

Apparently none of these people saw the end or beginning of Saving Private Ryan...

[InvincibleHero]

DiE231 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

GambitAce88 wrote...

I get an ending after playing 38 hours through ME 3, with imports from 1 and 2, that the person playing 12 hours of the game starting with ME3 will get.

I do not understand this rationale at all except in one of selfishness. They paid $60 same as you. You got your unique experiences in the past game and more content in ME3 (both in time and richness of experience) and you also want to give them a worse ending. We deserve no special privilege from playing the previous games as they already delivered on the experience. They have to treat all their customers equally. Players of previous MEs already got their benefits.

You're wrong, and BW also thinks you're wrong. If you played the trilogy Tuchanka and Rannoch are a COMPLETELY different story.


What happened is that BW ran out of time, resources, EA decided to leave it like that to profit from DLC',s, all of the later, etc.


You made me LOL thought, they did it for the customers... yeah, right..

You misread my post. I said the players of ME and ME2 already got such benefits with a better playthrough and more content overall. There was no need to penalize a new player even more for the same purchase price.

[PiEman]

InvincibleHero wrote...

DiE231 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

GambitAce88 wrote...

I get an ending after playing 38 hours through ME 3, with imports from 1 and 2, that the person playing 12 hours of the game starting with ME3 will get.

I do not understand this rationale at all except in one of selfishness. They paid $60 same as you. You got your unique experiences in the past game and more content in ME3 (both in time and richness of experience) and you also want to give them a worse ending. We deserve no special privilege from playing the previous games as they already delivered on the experience. They have to treat all their customers equally. Players of previous MEs already got their benefits.

You're wrong, and BW also thinks you're wrong. If you played the trilogy Tuchanka and Rannoch are a COMPLETELY different story.


What happened is that BW ran out of time, resources, EA decided to leave it like that to profit from DLC',s, all of the later, etc.


You made me LOL thought, they did it for the customers... yeah, right..

You misread my post. I said the players of ME and ME2 already got such benefits with a better playthrough and more content overall. There was no need to penalize a new player even more for the same purchase price.

There was also no need to penalize every player with day one DLC and a crap ending, not to mention the lies we were told...

[MsKlaussen]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Bump, cuz now its truer than ever. A significant chunk of pro-Disney enders are masking themselves under the Retake movement. Why would you ever want a super happy ending to Mass Effect?!

Quick. Name five current active duty military members that you know who signed up to the military so they could achieve the worst ending possible...

I'll wait......

Oh that's right. Nobody intends to die nor do people who value life find anything "kewl" about death.

I'm not a part of any movement. However I did start with ME and stuck with it believing that there was a path to Shepard's survival. No amount of mockery from COD lames is going to make me feel ashamed about that. Shepard has loved ones praying she'll come back alive. Had I known that was deliberately made impossible I would never have started this series.

[Slash1667]

MsKlaussen wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Bump, cuz now its truer than ever. A significant chunk of pro-Disney enders are masking themselves under the Retake movement. Why would you ever want a super happy ending to Mass Effect?!

Quick. Name five current active duty military members that you know who signed up to the military so they could achieve the worst ending possible...

I'll wait......

Oh that's right. Nobody intends to die nor do people who value life find anything "kewl" about death.

I'm not a part of any movement. However I did start with ME and stuck with it believing that there was a path to Shepard's survival. No amount of mockery from COD lames is going to make me feel ashamed about that. Shepard has loved ones praying she'll come back alive. Had I known that was deliberately made impossible I would never have started this series.

Mind if I rephrase that slightly?

Name 5 current Military members or First Responders (police, fire, etc...) that you know who signed up so they could achieve the worst ending possible...

[InvincibleHero]

PiEman wrote...

There was also no need to penalize every player with day one DLC and a crap ending, not to mention the lies we were told...

DLC doesn't bother me at all since I never buy the stuff since I don't believe in the system.

Bad ending or not is subjective to user experiencing it. The ending is made in such a way to meet the developer's aims. They have the right to control the destiny of the IP. You have a right to criticize or not buy their products if you don't like it.

Lies not even going there. I'm not touching a live rail.

[PiEman]

Slash1667 wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Bump, cuz now its truer than ever. A significant chunk of pro-Disney enders are masking themselves under the Retake movement. Why would you ever want a super happy ending to Mass Effect?!

Quick. Name five current active duty military members that you know who signed up to the military so they could achieve the worst ending possible...

I'll wait......

Oh that's right. Nobody intends to die nor do people who value life find anything "kewl" about death.

I'm not a part of any movement. However I did start with ME and stuck with it believing that there was a path to Shepard's survival. No amount of mockery from COD lames is going to make me feel ashamed about that. Shepard has loved ones praying she'll come back alive. Had I known that was deliberately made impossible I would never have started this series.

Mind if I rephrase that slightly?

Name 5 current Military members or First Responders (police, fire, etc...) that you know who signed up so they could achieve the worst ending possible...

Good point.


On the police one, I believe most badges say something like "Protect and Serve" not "At Least I Can Die in an Explosion".

[AlanC9]

MsKlaussen wrote...
Oh that's right. Nobody intends to die nor do people who value life find anything "kewl" about death.

Right. That's why adding a happy ending forces the happy ending on every player who isn't either incompetent or deliberately failing because he's metagaming.