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[Awookie]

From what the twitter feeds have said, Shepard can reunite with his crew, but only if destroy is chosen. So its your crew, or synthetics.

It doesn't sound like there will be a Disney ending. And its almost impossible to create one based on what the current ending offers. However, the extended cut will probably be somewhat more optimistic than the current endings.

[Iakus]

Even if the Crucible was a big switch that could turn the Reapers from "malevolent sentience" to "giant space roomba" a happy ending (by my definition at least) is impossible. And personally, I'm not so sure that having to commit genocide to live is all that "optimistic" either.

[kalle90]

If this wasn't a game about choice and consequence I would say the concept was awesome:
-Sacrifice, character ends with my control over him: Way better than having him retire or continue his journey on novels or something
-3 choices that revolutionize the world: Galaxy will not be at the same state as it was in the beginning. Great
-Normandy stranded: Lots of speculation, Halo 3's ending was quite awesome.

It's not anywhere perfect: starkid needs to be turned into VI, he and Shep needs better logic and more dialogue, Normandy needs to be explained, cutscenes need more diversity than color and there needs to be a proper epilogue (atleast a god damn Hackett announcing "We won, respect Shepard, Hackett out") and not rush to "Buy DLC".

But other than those I would be pretty happy if this was the ending of my canon Shepard. Problem comes with replay: no epilogue means nothing seemingly changes (as undermined by the stargazer "So much of the details are lost") so there's no incentive to play to the end. Having Shep live, LI stay on Earth even if Normandy heads to unknown... would boost replay value.

TL;DR: Concept good for a choiceless game, execution abysmal.

Modifié par kalle90, 08 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[abaris]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

lol, cause people dont want to realize what sacrifice really means.
which is understandable i guess, but come on theres already blue people.and their called smurfs

I'm not saying that everything should be rosy. But there should be at least some kind of reward if you did everything right. One, at least somehow, happy ending.

Life is bleak enough to be further depressed by a video game.

[Awookie]

iakus wrote...

Even if the Crucible was a big switch that could turn the Reapers from "malevolent sentience" to "giant space roomba" a happy ending (by my definition at least) is impossible. And personally, I'm not so sure that having to commit genocide to live is all that "optimistic" either.

Well, as long as space travel is still possible, most consider that a happy ending already. 

[kenshun666]

to create a whole new ending based directly on your choices in the past two games would require at least six months of developement and a giant DLC making it a completely unusable idea the game is good it wrapped up the shepard arc (the mass effect universe is not done) and was very interesting a happier ending would have just ruined the series period

[DaveSimonH]

I never had a problem with Shepard dying, in any ending scenario, if one life means saving billions or even trillions of lives. Hopefully the fleshed out extended cut will iron out some of the misconceptions and problems people have with the ending.

[Iakus]

Awookie wrote...

iakus wrote...

Even if the Crucible was a big switch that could turn the Reapers from "malevolent sentience" to "giant space roomba" a happy ending (by my definition at least) is impossible. And personally, I'm not so sure that having to commit genocide to live is all that "optimistic" either.

Well, as long as space travel is still possible, most consider that a happy ending already. 

Unfortunately "life goes on" does not really equal a happy ending to me.  Even in the saddest of Shakespeare's tragedies, life went on.  Even if it was as a funeral procession

[Reorte]

DaveSimonH wrote...

I never had a problem with Shepard dying, in any ending scenario, if one life means saving billions or even trillions of lives. Hopefully the fleshed out extended cut will iron out some of the misconceptions and problems people have with the ending.

I do have a problem with Shepard dying although it's more for the effect on his/her friends and lover than for the sake of Shepard. And because there wasn't ever really much of a one-way, no alternative possible vibe (ME2 had more of that with the suicide mission buildup).

[kenshun666]

Reorte wrote...

DaveSimonH wrote...

I never had a problem with Shepard dying, in any ending scenario, if one life means saving billions or even trillions of lives. Hopefully the fleshed out extended cut will iron out some of the misconceptions and problems people have with the ending.

I do have a problem with Shepard dying although it's more for the effect on his/her friends and lover than for the sake of Shepard. And because there wasn't ever really much of a one-way, no alternative possible vibe (ME2 had more of that with the suicide mission buildup).

the feel was supposed to be there throughout the whole game you were up against an incredible enemy mixed with cerberus it was a long shot that they could survive it

[a helpless grunt]

Plot holes aside, I think that happy endings should be as possible as the bleak ones, as well as some that are in between. Shoving one person's preference down everyone's throat after being able to do things your way for so long is sure to end in results like the ones we see now. Goddess, they even added m/m and f/f romances for the people who wanted those too. Why is it so hard to give people the option they like? I know I may have overstated this, but DA:O had the right idea. A heroic sacrifice if you wanted it, the option to let Alistair or Loghain die in your stead, and even a trump card via Morrigan to where you could both live albiet with untold consequences. It would really have been that easy. In short, the more options available, the more people that will be happy.

[Konfined]

Yes, I would like the option to have the choice to have a happy ending.  Problems?

Modifié par Konfined, 11 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[Quionic]

 I want a happy ening. The whole "sad" endings are just childish. 

[78stonewobble]

One thing.

Not all colonies were attacked.

So theoretically there is dozens, hundreds or thousands of places untouched (atleast directly) by the war.





EDIT and PS.

Again I don't mind Shepard dying or heck the entire normandy plus squadmates having to sacrifice themselves to win (if the assets are low eg.) as long as it's for a good reason.

By good reason I mean something that makes sense ( not Star Childs logic ) or because the crazy guy with the hand on the nuclear bomb button demands it ( Star Child's logic is crazy logic? ).

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 11 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Sadsiren]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

Probably restating the obvious, but since you asked and I feel like answering...

1)  Obviously those who didn't like the current set of endings and thus would want them changed would include individuals who were hoping for a happy ending and culminating their relationships with their LIs.  But as you claim to be aware, not EVERY person that supports Retake necessarily requires a happy ending.

2)  A galatic battle is, to reference the dictionary, "a general encounter between armies, ships of war, or aircraft" "relating to a galaxy".  And one can assume that battles typically have those that are victors, and those that lose.  It's not necessarily a bad thing if Shepard were to be victorious enough that he manages to survive.  And considering the brief "breath" scene that Bioware offered for a particular ending scenario, they must have not thought it bad or against their "artistic integrity" either.

[DeinonSlayer]

Sadsiren wrote...

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

Probably restating the obvious, but since you asked and I feel like answering...

1)  Obviously those who didn't like the current set of endings and thus would want them changed would include individuals who were hoping for a happy ending and culminating their relationships with their LIs.  But as you claim to be aware, not EVERY person that supports Retake necessarily requires a happy ending.

2)  A galatic battle is, to reference the dictionary, "a general encounter between armies, ships of war, or aircraft" "relating to a galaxy".  And one can assume that battles typically have those that are victors, and those that lose.  It's not necessarily a bad thing if Shepard were to be victorious enough that he manages to survive.  And considering the brief "breath" scene that Bioware offered for a particular ending scenario, they must have not thought it bad or against their "artistic integrity" either.

Exactly. If we have an ending where Shepard survives (the hardest to earn, at that), and the Normandy has a communications apparatus which gives it a direct line to Earth, what's so bad about putting A and B together and providing an outcome where they get rescued? That's the closest you get to a happy ending in war: you survive, you bury your dead, and you go home to the people you care about.

Michael Gamble wrote...

Of course joker wouldn't abandon Shepard for no reason, and yes - let's not underestimate FTL here let's also not forget about quantum communication...or the incredible store of food rations that the Normandy has.

The pieces are all there. I'm just hoping they'll put them together.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Jymm]

I detest the current endings, and I insist that I would have been "satisfied" with a very bleak ending in which Shep and company must all die in order to defeat the Reapers. I would respect an ending in which the Reapers win if it made sense in context of the rest of the game / series, but I'm not sure I could stomach it personally. I probably couldn't say that I "liked" such an ending. I definitely wanted the noble struggle of 100+ hours to result in "victory" even if it was at devastating cost. So mostly I want an ending that makes sense and provides some closure as many in the retake movement have advocated.

Now all that being said, I would personally find a more uplifting ending enjoyable. One in which we defeat the Reapers but Earth and the characters I care about survive and live to enjoy their victory. I would find that inspiring and inspiration is one reason I play games. I like being the hero because real life is almost never black and white and it almost never gives you an opportunity to accomplish something great. Games let me do that.

So I have to honestly admit I would "like" a happy ending more, but I wouldn't ask the developer to give up their artistic integrity to have such an ending. Just give us one that makes sense and honors the previous 100 hours of gameplay and decisions we all made.

[Halfdan The Menace]

New endings;

PINK

GOLD

PURPLE

[Pee Jae]

Again, where is this Disney film that had trillions of people die in it? 'Cause I've seen a lot of them and that didn't happen.

Good =/= Happy.

[Quionic]

t_skwerl wrote...

Good =/= Happy.

Good  =/= Sad

Your point? 

[a helpless grunt]

Out of curiosity, in what Disney film does anyone die on screen? Mass Effect killed its first character in the first combat scene (poor Jenkins). How does this in any way make the two alike? The nihilists accuse normal people for wanting Disney endings but any chance for being a Disney game died on Eden Prime. We spent the next three games saving and killing whomever we pleased. My body count on ME3 alone is well over 500 and closer to 1000. I have lost good friends along the way, people that I would have just as soon have given my life to save. Billions, maybe trillions, of people have been either killed or harvested. I even sacrificed an entire star system simply to buy time to organize against the Reapers. This is all-out galactic war, and I expected all of this. Please attempt to tell me how this will be a happy story all because I led and won the fight against the Reapers, and afterwards my LI and l survived to have children. Bittersweet endings still require some sweetness.

[Lucy Glitter]

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

[a helpless grunt]

There were a number of things I did not care for in ME3. The debacle with the end is simply the only one that I ever seem to get any form of support with. There were some plot inconsistencies before the end, but nothing game-breaking. Overall the game was great, I have no problem saying that. One of the things I disliked that no one else seems to care about is the lack of conversation between teammates outside of missions. In the previous two titles, you pressed someone's talk bubble and they turned around and TALKED TO YOU! Now they spill a few lines of pre-scripted dialogue and stop. They do not even bother to break their previous animation to do it. Makes gaining/maintaining that emotional attachment with the characters a bit difficult. I was told that the ME2 squadmates would be put on back-burner to make room for your ME1 teammates, and I was okay with that for the most part. The problem is that I had very little talk time with Liara, Garrus, etc and the ME2 squadmates still got the shaft! I have been nourishing these relationships for three games in some cases and that is all I get? Perhaps the first Mass Effect taught me to expect too much...

[The Edge]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why.