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[Lucy Glitter]

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why. 

Read rest of my post  

Truth hurts.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 12 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[zaku257]

My personal feeling about the current ending is - "not satisfactory"
This game allows player to choose their own way to play,
how come that you forced us to accept your ways of thinking?
At least, give a better choice rather than having
"3 different kind of color but in the end still the same BS"

[The Edge]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why. 

Read rest of my post  

Truth hurts.

I read the rest of you post  I agree with the fact that there were other issues beside the ending.

Saying people were upset with the ending ONLY because it wasn't happy is just ignorant. I bet a large portion are just upset that the ending doesn't make sense in terms of what came before it (oh, and the lies regarding it), but even still, the reasons are varied.

Modifié par The Edge, 12 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Flytricks]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

Why is it people insist on posting threads with opinions about other peoples opinions? It's quite clear these people have rubbed you the wrong way and don't tell me you're biased to either side lest you make me quote youre other posts here. How is it ok for you to bash the happy enders but not ok for happy enders to bash the endings.  Becouse you're right and they're wrong?  No you bolth have expressed you're opinions, and it's true what they say, opinions are like ***holes everyone has one.  My opinion is the OP is blowing off steam while trying to sound impartial. Come on OP grow a pair and tell the happy enders what you really think of em. Or leave em alone and if they get their way,  hey , you always have the red option.

[Nadya2]

i would have loved a happy ending. but i think the rest of the endings should stay. the more choices the better the game.

[Baldrick67]

Millions if not billions of humans, asari, turians dead. Several homeworlds in ruins.
How dare you want to allow your Shep to have at least a glimmer of personal happiness at the end.

How dare you

[zherok]

I'm content with a bittersweet ending. I'd agree that requiring the player die to try and make it more meaningful is a bunch of "art is angsty" nonsense, but whatever, if you have to do it, so be it.

But what really bothers me about the ending is introducing a plot character in the last few minutes, railroading a galactic civilization destroying consequence into every ending, having characters teleporting around in order to provide even the most shallow of epilogues, then leaping into the apparent distant future, where apparently humanity has had to fall back on oral history in order to relate how you SAVED THE GALAXY.

I'm not asking for everything to be happy, I'm asking if there's anything left of the galaxy to even care about. Because the game decided it wasn't important enough to even bother revealing to you. It's a combination of what they waited to the last minute to tell you and what they decided was better left to complete speculation that's mind blowing.

And seriously, the final choice is stupid, but not everything has to be turning the Reapers into cake. It's resolving the fate of the galaxy to a bunch of "the Shepard" nonsense and a crass "buy more DLC!" message.

[MelodicGrim]

For me the ending didn't do justice. It had no real plot to it. It was just a bunch of effects pushed around on the screen with a vague, thin plot. It wasn't an ending to end a trilogy. Plus, the endings were basically the same thing. It should have been a mixture of elements with a stronger plot and more closure. It just basically felt like I wasted the whole hours of my life playing a series that had no real ending to it. 

Modifié par MelodicGrim, 12 avril 2012 - 08:33 .

[chester013]

I'm not saying I'm all for a Disney ending, but what the **** is wrong with a happy ending? What I don't have enough bovine excrement do deal with in RL I have to be depressed in my free time too?

[arathor_87]

Hmm, I want the the option to choose a happy ending, but I also want the option to choose a sad ending. Some players have spent 200 hours on Mass Effect, and I think they deserve the option to choose between happy or sad. It's to much sadness in real life, so why do we need it in a video game?

Of course, a happy ending it's not all about sunsets and rainbows. A happy ending could be the LI holding a badly injured Shepard in his/her arms in the center of destruction. It could also be Shepard reunited with his crew in an emotional dialogue scene looking at the destruction, dead people and destroyed planets.

But I also want the option to choose a sad ending, a sacrifice ending, maybe not only my Shepard but other things like the geth or something else. It's about choices, I haven't played 150+ hours to not get the chance to have a happy ending.

The point of replay value is that you know that the outcome can be different. Maybe the endings should be based on if your Shepard is paragon, renegade or a mix of both. Maybe it should be harder for a renegade to get a happy ending than a paragon,

Or maybe a mix of both would be best for a happy ending? So, sometimes you have to be paragon and sometimes renegade, depending on the situation. I support a happy ending, but also a sad ending. It's about choices, some people want do die as a hero, some people want a happy ending for their Shepard. Some of us maybe even want to be the ultimate renegade and destroy the whole galaxy.

Hackett out!

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 avril 2012 - 08:38 .

[EsSeven]

Why do I want a happy ending? Oh I don't know, probably because that's what I've been trying to accomplish for the past two games. I don't play games to depress myself, funnily enough.

As mentioned above, a 'happy' ending doesn't have to be an ending without loss. The OP seems very polarised in his thinking of what constitutes a 'happy' end.

[TheLoneStorm]

I don't want some hipster bs ending. If I wanted to be depressed I would turn on the news on TV.

There's nothing wrong with 'happy' endings as you dub them.

[ElementL09]

Happy Endings aren't mainstream, I can't tell you how many movies and games have sad and depressing endings nowadays.

[arathor_87]

It's not about what's mainstream or not. It's about give people what they want. It's not that hard to make a sad ending, a happy ending, or a neutral ending with closure and clarification. And if they could base those endings on your choices would be awesome.

A renegades happy ending would be different from a paragons happy ending, the same with the sad and neutral ending. That would give much replay value, a reason to play as paragon, renegade or a mix of both (a Paragade).

If I'm correct Casey Hudson said he wanted the ending to be contoversial so people would remember it. The problem is that many people will remember the game with the wrong reasons, and that's so wrong..

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Tymvir]

I would have preferred a happy ending, but that's really not why I think it's terrible. I picked the "bittersweet" ending for DA:O and had no problem with it, I liked it a lot because it made sense. If you ignore the many logical problems with the ME3 ending and simply assume that people are too "weak" to accept a sad ending, then I must assume that you are projecting. Maybe you convinced yourselves that the ending is good because while it made you sad, you didn't really notice the logical problems and inconsistencies?

Modifié par Tymvir, 12 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[Grissmin]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I absolutely want a happy ending

Whats wrong with happiness?

Is bitter the new "in" thing

Should vader win?

Should the shark eat everyone?

Should the blight win?

Come on people its a game, most people want a happy ending, war or no war.

I proudly admit. I wont give Bioware another dime because of how they ended ME3.

Not one red cent.

The same.

[DigitalAvatar]

Tymvir wrote...

I would have preferred a happy ending, but that's really not why I think it's terrible. I picked the "bittersweet"
ending for DA:O and had no problem with it, I liked it a lot because it made sense.

Totally this. I did the same in DA:O, because it fit our Grey Warden. It was done well. Mass Effect 3 was done poorly, to say the least.

I think that most players would be satisfied with an ending in which Shepard needed to sacrifice himself as long as it conveyed a real sense of accomplishment. I would have been happy with a conclusion where Shepard died, but for a reason that made sense and felt like it accomplished something. The ending failed to do that.

But that said, why the hell not have the option of a good ending? This is a video game, which has been sold on the principle that the choices you make affect what happens. If you're a 100% completionist, if you've put in hundreds of hours over three games, covering all of your bases, keeping your crew alive, then you should be REWARDED for that.
Earth, Palaven, and other planets are ruined. We have lost friends. We have felt loss. The game should actually have done more to convey that, but it works. The WAR didn't end without loss, but that in no way, shape, or form needs to equate to the hero himself dying for no other reason than a pretentious project director thinking he's making a deep and meaningful point (but failing miserably). Making Shepard's death inevitable isn't necessary. Why make the message "life sucks and then you die"? What the hell happened to triumph over adversity?

Modifié par DigitalAvatar, 12 avril 2012 - 10:29 .

[sugarlessrobots]

Naturally a happy ending can be connected with the satisfactory ending being fought for by the Retake group. Happiness can be supplied by a satisfactory ending. Keep in mind a "happy" ending is subjective.

For instance I have some save files with character designs that were full blown renegade and ready to harness the Reapers and terrorize the galaxy for all eternity upon completion of the game (An example was tastefully placed in ME 2 with allowing for the study of the collector base). Naturally that would have made me happy, constituting it a happy ending for me.

Conversely, I have save files in which I had made Shepard an anti-hero construct (A big opportunity for this was in ME 2 by really messing up the survival of the crew) and have my character then despite their best intention completely fail at stopping said Reapers at the tentacles of Harbringer. Then be able to witness the crumble of civilization much to the Reaper's emotionless delight. That would have also made me happy with respect to that character design.

I didn't fully expect for these dreams to be fulfilled to my own vision in the game but the ending as it stands now doesn't supply what I had stated in my own fantasies, a homage to how the character was crafted throughout the games (ME 2 did well with crew survival being dependent on whether or not you cared enough to help them out). It's just not there, nor is an epilogue to wrap up the loose ends (ex. Skies of Arcadia [Random Texts regarding what became of the characters following the game] and Majora's Mask [Seeing what became of the people you helped out] to put the ME universe to rest.

Modifié par sugarlessrobots, 12 avril 2012 - 10:29 .

[78stonewobble]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

No.

Alot of the space magic allready there makes sense in-universe or is established in it. Yes there are some plot holes (as in alot of stories) but not as glaringly obvious as the ending ( to me atleast ). And people ALSO critique the other plot holes AND the lack of choice via eg. dialoguewheel.

Yes, I would also mind an ending that consisted of Shepard passing marauder shields, entering the light, baking a cake and then a fade to living forever happily with Li. Because it wouldn't make sense either.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 12 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[Ralphi]

I'm not waiting happy ending , just an ending which makes more sense.

[Drake_Hound]

What happy ending , I just want to be in control of my own action.

1 Tell starchild to go to hell... and then blow up the machine , I don't need to listen to him rant so long about nonesense .

2 If I am partly machine so I will destroy meself and all other synthesis , so would that mean all starship with computers onboard would be destroyed too , then show me the consequences ..
So don't make a half baked story about you are destroying yourself cause you are partly machine

3 Fine if I take control of the reapers , why am I not starchild ? ...


Sorry here I want these 3 endings

1 Paragon interrupt go away starchild don't have time am dying , so going to save the universe and destroy the reapers ...

2 indecisive .. follow the excisting nonesense current 3 endings .

3 Renegade Option , move away I need to become the next god and while doing it destroy anybody I don't like ... TIM ending .


Is that so hard to understand ?

[jbadm04]

OutlawTorn6806 wrote...

Why are all the Retake thread about having happy endings and blue children? What do you think a galactic battle means?  

they are not, I actualy read such a "request" (shiny ending with babies etc...) only once
I wouldnt even care if the last battle would go completely fubar, but then I want to see the next cycle diging Liaras timecapsule and preparing for the Reapers.... or something similar.
There is a difference between all shiny, bittersweet and the shallow nonsense we got... I wish people would already realize it ('specialy BW...)

[Lucy Glitter]

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why. 

Read rest of my post  

Truth hurts.

I read the rest of you post  I agree with the fact that there were other issues beside the ending.

Saying people were upset with the ending ONLY because it wasn't happy is just ignorant. I bet a large portion are just upset that the ending doesn't make sense in terms of what came before it (oh, and the lies regarding it), but even still, the reasons are varied.

And like I said before; if the ending was happy - 80% of the people complaining now, wouldn't be. 

The entire game is incredibly rushed and flawed. Yet none of the people we are talking about take that into account. They only complain about the ending, which is a culmination of that process of rushed writing, forgetting characters and adding them in last minute and... cutscne magic... as well as the reconning of entire points in 1 and 2. Yet, no one complains about that, as well as the ending. They say, "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT SAVE ENDING." When it was really the type of game that I can see the potential and ideas but they didn't come into fruition. I still enjoyed it (loved Tuchanka to bits bloody brilliant story arc), though.

78stonewobble wrote...
No. 

Alot of the space magic allready there makes sense in-universe or is established in it. Yes there are some plot holes (as in alot of stories) but not as glaringly obvious as the ending ( to me atleast ). And people ALSO critique the other plot holes AND the lack of choice via eg. dialoguewheel. 

Yes, I would also mind an ending that consisted of Shepard passing marauder shields, entering the light, baking a cake and then a fade to living forever happily with Li. Because it wouldn't make sense either. 

 

If your Shep, at the end of the game, destroyed the Reapers, saved the galaxy and got with your LI you would not be complaining. 

I don't know why no one wants to admit that. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it just is. I understand the need for a happy ending. The entire game is about triumphing against the odds, and the ending does nothing to justify that message, that's a well and dandy opinion to have, it's a justified one. Just don't deny that you wouldn't be here if you did get a happy ending that was fair even if the rest of the game was ridden with retcons and cutscene magic. 

Please, don't.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 12 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[bluewolv1970]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why. 

Read rest of my post  

Truth hurts.

I read the rest of you post  I agree with the fact that there were other issues beside the ending.

Saying people were upset with the ending ONLY because it wasn't happy is just ignorant. I bet a large portion are just upset that the ending doesn't make sense in terms of what came before it (oh, and the lies regarding it), but even still, the reasons are varied.

And like I said before; if the ending was happy - 80% of the people complaining now, wouldn't be. 

The entire game is incredibly rushed and flawed. Yet none of the people we are talking about take that into account. They only complain about the ending, which is a culmination of that process of rushed writing, forgetting characters and adding them in last minute and... cutscne magic... as well as the reconning of entire points in 1 and 2. Yet, no one complains about that, as well as the ending. They say, "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT SAVE ENDING." When it was really the type of game that I can see the potential and ideas but they didn't come into fruition. I still enjoyed it (loved Tuchanka to bits bloody brilliant story arc), though.

debateable - I will say that in renegade  playthrough where I planned on shep sacrificing himself - I still despised the ending - because of the nonsensical nature of it (Starchild and synthesis make NO sense)...and I went into that playthrough with no expectations of a happy ending...that said I agree that video games, as part of their gameplay mechanic, should have a means of  "winning" in the end...why Bioware did not include a happy ending AND a flat out reapers win ending escapes me...IMO they had the perfect formula on endings with DAO which had a wide range of endings in addtion to the post ending conversations and the epilogue slides...

[The Edge]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The Edge wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 I'll re-post what I said in another thread:


 Essentially, people are nitpicking and hating on the ending because it wasn't happy. No other reason whatsoever.

People can rant and rave about the space magic, inconsistencies and plot holes at the end all they like, but bear in mind that they wouldn't even care if the ending was happy and they got to marry their LI. 

They say things like, "The game is PERFECT until the end" and, "If it weren't for the end, i'd give this game 100/10" but they forget that the entire game includes cutscene magic, inconsistencies and plot holes. At least be consistent with your critique, please. 

If you had a pro-human character, a pro-TIM character, a mainly renegade character or romanced Thane or Jacob, you were essentially screwed over for a plot that was easier and faster to write (and cheaper.) The lack of choice in ME3 was not limited to the ending at all. People seem to ignore that fact. That is what irritates the crap out of me. 

 

Sorry, but that bolded statement is, for the majority of people, false. Completely and utterly false. Browse the forums a little more to see why. 

Read rest of my post  

Truth hurts.

I read the rest of you post  I agree with the fact that there were other issues beside the ending.

Saying people were upset with the ending ONLY because it wasn't happy is just ignorant. I bet a large portion are just upset that the ending doesn't make sense in terms of what came before it (oh, and the lies regarding it), but even still, the reasons are varied.

And like I said before; if the ending was happy - 80% of the people complaining now, wouldn't be. 

The entire game is incredibly rushed and flawed. Yet none of the people we are talking about take that into account. They only complain about the ending, which is a culmination of that process of rushed writing, forgetting characters and adding them in last minute and... cutscne magic... as well as the reconning of entire points in 1 and 2. Yet, no one complains about that, as well as the ending. They say, "IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT SAVE ENDING." When it was really the type of game that I can see the potential and ideas but they didn't come into fruition. I still enjoyed it (loved Tuchanka to bits bloody brilliant story arc), though.

78stonewobble wrote...
No. 

Alot of the space magic allready there makes sense in-universe or is established in it. Yes there are some plot holes (as in alot of stories) but not as glaringly obvious as the ending ( to me atleast ). And people ALSO critique the other plot holes AND the lack of choice via eg. dialoguewheel. 

Yes, I would also mind an ending that consisted of Shepard passing marauder shields, entering the light, baking a cake and then a fade to living forever happily with Li. Because it wouldn't make sense either. 

 

If your Shep, at the end of the game, destroyed the Reapers, saved the galaxy and got with your LI you would not be complaining. 

I don't know why no one wants to admit that. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it just is. I understand the need for a happy ending. The entire game is about triumphing against the odds, and the ending does nothing to justify that message, that's a well and dandy opinion to have, it's a justified one. Just don't deny that you wouldn't be here if you did get a happy ending that was fair even if the rest of the game was ridden with retcons and cutscene magic. 

Please, don't.

Assume it was a happy ending. It still wouldn't solve the miriad of other problems about the ending and people would still complain. While a happy ending is a shared want among people who hated the ending, it is not the base cause of the unhappiness (at least IMO).

The other issues aside from the game as a whole are still there, too. Bring it up with anyone that agrees/disagrees about the ending and I assume a large portion would acknowledge it. The fact that the argueably crappy ending is THE END of the trilogy makes it that much worse, and is therefore concentrated on.