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[Sundance31us]

Gigamantis wrote...
Bioware seems to love their fans, and after spending a month on these forums I have no idea why. If these were my fans I'd start over, maybe start making fighting games.

I wouldn't blame them if they did.

[STEEEEVE]

Geneaux486 wrote...

The DLC won't alter the ending at all.  "As much as they can" is that a joke?  They are the developers of the franchise, and can change it as much as they want.

While hiring back voice actors, animating a brand new ending, working it in to completely replace the old one, only to have fans go "This isn't what I wanted you ***holes" a second time?  That just wasn't ever a realistic expectation.

Hell, there are fan made youtube videos that completely remove that starchild (which Bioware could do with literally one line of code) and just skip from Shepard and Anderson talking, straight to the destroy ending.  It's abrupt, but it's also exponentially better than the ending we got, and will likely be better than the 'explanation' we're going to get.  They could do that with one line of code, but they'd rather keep him, for absolutely no reason except that they can't admit when they screwed up.

Or they didn't screw up.  Why exactly is the Catalyst so bad?  It's an expositional plot device that you knew you were looking for anyway, and all it really does is explain the Reapers' motivations (which was hinted at through all three games anyway) and tell you how to use the weapon that *your* side built.  He doesn't *give* you choices, he *explains* which choices galactic civilization pretty much gave themselves with how well the built the Crucible.  There's nothing wrong with the developement team standing by their ending.

Watch the video in my sig to understand why the catalyst is objectively bad.

[cutegigi]

pettrox wrote...

STEEEEVE wrote...

I have never, EVER seen a company so actively antagonistic towards their core supporters.  From the day 1 DLC, to the lack of conversation choices throughout the game, to the lazy quest pickup, banning players for modding Single player, and of course- the terrible endings, because they knew we'd buy it anyway.  Through all this, through all the protests, the pleading, and the cries to Bioware for a fix, they have, at every turn, done the bare minimum to keep themselves looking ok in the public eye, while doing their best to keep those demanding a better ending unhappy by leaving the garbage heap that is the ME3 ending in tact. 

There is literally NO reason to keep the ending the way it is other than because of the ego of Walters and Hudson, both of whom are probably very unsatisfied with the ending deep down, but are either too proud or too afriad to admit it.  Thanks Bioware, at least you're making it easy to walk away.

1. you dont know what the DX part will extend on
2. you will never get everything you want in life, this is one of them compensated...

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ 

[DranakShadow]

Gigamantis wrote...

Bioware seems to love their fans, and after spending a month on these forums I have no idea why. If these were my fans I'd start over, maybe start making fighting games.

Who knows, after this they might rethink their stance on the games they make.

[Geneaux486]

STEEEEVE wrote...
Watch the video in my sig to understand why the catalyst is objectively bad.

I don't need someone else telling me how I should feel about the ending.  I played it, I was there.  If you think there's something relevant in that video to what I've said, mention it, but by telling me to click the link and watch the video, you're basically asking me to respond to that instead of you, effectively putting more effort into your argument than you're willing to put into it yourself.  Nothing about the endings is objectively bad, everything comes down to how you percieve the ending, how you feel about it.  That's not a bad thing either, mind you, you're entitled to your opinion same as I'm entitled to mine, but to say it's fact is simply untrue.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 05 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[DiebytheSword]

Clearly working to satisfy us with the endings without altering the story they were trying to tell too much, for free, is a mark of hatred.

C'mon people, they are nearly bending over backwards for this. Eschewing planned, payed for DLC, to address your concerns (whether they get it right or not) shows that they care about you more than some of you think.

[soulprovider]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bioware worked really hard on the Mass Effect series, including ME3, which most people who hate the ending even agree is a good game besides. And after all that work, the majority of feedback is hatred for the ending and in most cases hatred for them by extension. *Then* they respond with *free* DLC that alters the ending, probably as much as they can, as a compromise. No, Bioware does not hate their fans. It's quite the opposite.

The dlc doesn't alter the ending, it only adds what should have been in the game, "clarification"
 which also needs clarification, basically what biowares doing is they are saying that they are extending the ending so EA doesn't look bad while in actuality the are adding maybe 10 minutes to the ending the supposedly helps the fans understand why they had to throw out their franchise.

[rebo_tfc]

Of course BioWare only care about money. They simply do not care about their fans in the slightest.

[STEEEEVE]

Geneaux486 wrote...

STEEEEVE wrote...
Watch the video in my sig to understand why the catalyst is objectively bad.

I don't need someone else telling me how I should feel about the ending.  I played it, I was there.  If you think there's something relevant in that video to what I've said, mention it, but by telling me to click the link and watch the video, you're basically asking me to respond to that instead of you, effectively putting more effort into your argument than you're willing to put into it yourself.  Nothing about the endings is objectively bad, everything comes down to how you percieve the ending, how you feel about it.  That's not a bad thing either, mind you, you're entitled to your opinion same as I'm entitled to mine, but to say it's fact is simply untrue.

ACtually, I'm not putting more effort blah blah blah.  I'm asking you to educate yourself rather than continue to speak out of ignorance.  Sorry if I have already watched and learned and don't feel like you deserve to be spoon fed something just because it doesn't agree with your argument.

[TheVolusSuck]

YonatanJ wrote...

Yep, Bioware just tore up the protest group into two halves, and now the press will also side with them against the left of the retakers. The Extended Cut is merely an incredibely smart PR move.

Wrong, its also an expensive PR move, a move they wouldnt have taken if they didnt want their fanbase to be satisfied.

[Vilegrim]

GrimIntent89 wrote...

oh yeah, the incoming free DLC is just sadistic!
/sarcasm

it's turd polish.

[SovereignX6]

They've did it. It's over for me They totally screwed it up.

[Geneaux486]

STEEEEVE wrote...
ACtually, I'm not putting more effort blah blah blah.  I'm asking you to educate yourself rather than continue to speak out of ignorance.  Sorry if I have already watched and learned and don't feel like you deserve to be spoon fed something just because it doesn't agree with your argument.

That's completely asinine and here's why:  You insist that I'm ignorant based on nothing.  I played the game.  I played all three games.  I paid close attention to the story.  You don't even know *why* I like the ending and you call me ignorant anyway.  So basically what you're saying is that because I disagree with you, I must be ignorant.  Keeping this in mind, the issue becomes not about my non-existant ignorance, but about your massive ****ing ego.  Furthermore, you want a good example of ignorance, look at the title of your own thread.  No, Bioware does not hate their fans.  To rationalize that point of view you basically have to ignore the fact that fan-feedback affected the changes they made between the first and second Mass Effect games, the changes between the second and third games, and the DLC for Mass Effect 2.  You *also* have to ignore the fact that Bioware is releasing an expansion prompted solely by community feedback, much of which was nasty, condescending, and in some cases downright hostile.  No, the endings are not objectively bad, nor are they objectively good.  No, constructing your own argument instead of hiding behind a youtube video does not constitute "spoon feeding" anyone. 

Modifié par Geneaux486, 05 avril 2012 - 09:48 .

[CapnManx]

I wasn't too impressed with the ending myself; but the whole 'BioWare is a business and in business the customer is always right' thing is only half the story.

Games are a creative medium, made by creative people.

The author of a book might have to change the ending pre-release, if it is insisted on by the publisher; but I can just imagine what Stephen King would say to 'fans' who insisted he change the book after it had been released.

There's lessons here that BioWare can take away and think over before they make any new games; but it was always unlikely that they would rewrite this one (possible, but still unlikely).

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Sooner or later they'll regret it. Cause their competitors will take this opportunity to make games that offers more to the table and keeping players happy, then BioWare start to crash. Hard.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

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