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[The_Berserker2]

More closure? How about ANY closure. Not sure a few more cutscenes will really do the trick, though I'll happily take anything at this point. It appears the last few minutes of the game will remain the same (my apologies if my interpretation is incorrect). I have major issues with the actual content of the end and not just its brief and unexplanatory cutscenes.

[The_Berserker2]

At least it's only the ending though. I still curse when I even think of DA2's entire plot. The vast majority of the rest of the ME trilogy (aside from the dream sequences, which I'd love to be able to skip trhough) is incredibly well written and implemented - very detailed and wonderfully and imaginatively crafted. Sure, there are a few things here and there, changes from game to game and such, but minor compared to the overall experience. Even though I loathe the ending, getting there is a blast - 6 play throughs down and would be working on another if the xbox update had not broken my game.

[RABicle]

So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

[venom56321489]

Rumors are DA3 will have multiplayer! there goes that game and ending

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

I honestly do not understand the reaction from Bioware. They said they were listening, but then they would know that the majority of people wanted something more/better then just clarification.
(I have not seen a poll in the past month about this that said otherwise).

The game was obviously rushed. The vast difference in quality between Tchuchanka and the (horrible) Earth mission being the evidence. I'm sure some people of the Bioware team making this game would love to properly complete it if given the chance.

Since Bioware has no reason to rush their own products there has to be some pressure coming from elsewhere (EA).

The fan reaction basically gave Bioware the time and opportunity to rectify their mistake. A clear statement to whoever was running the show that rushing the last part of a trilogy as it is now would not be accepted. We asked for a do-over. Carte Blanche. And they use that opportunity to choose option that takes the least amount of effort...

Honestly, Bioware, it's not good writing. And just adding writing won't save it. It needs to be changed. What you did here is a franchise-killer. The fan's will wait. Not because we feel entitled, but because we know you can do better. We've seen it. Experienced it. Loved it.

The universe you created as it is now won't be talked about like BG or KOTOR for the next 10+ years. Only this failure will jump to memory. Please don't let the ME-memory be an inconsequential dash to the horrible ending.

This became a longer rant then intended, so sorry for that.  TL;DR  If you read only one thing in here:
As long as our choices don't matter, replayability is meaningless

[ShepardTheHopeful]

 I'd like an electronic signature proving that the entire writing staff approved the original ending. Then i'll be ok with it. I'm a little sick of hearing the who team approved of it when only two-three people on the team were even responsible for the last 5 minutes. 

Keep your ending just don't straight up lie to me. That's what annoys me more than anything you guys are suppose to be better than tricks and mind games. 

[crowi83]

Thanks for the little crum of hope that I can even play Mass Effect ever again.

That crum better be made of gold, or I won't ever buy your games again after all this overhyping and betrayal.

[panamakira]

Taking the wait and see approach.

[darksider55]

RABicle wrote...

So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

yeah sure the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch offered closure to those story lines.But the mission to earth is a new story line that didn't end in closure,in fact what happen in Rannoch should be one of the reasons that the ending sucked ass and didn't make sense.(i'm not going to bother explain why everyone should know buy now)

[Ieldra]

RABicle wrote...
So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

Of course these missions gave closure. They did so extremely well in fact. The problem is that the ending makes everything uncertain again, it destroys the closure achieved by playing the game to this point.

[AndrewLBC]

After playing the ending through multiple times, I've come to the conclusion that the the entire Dev Team must have completed the game up to the point where you land back on Earth.... and told the new guy who fetches coffee to finish the game himself while they're gone, without ever playing either ME1 or ME2, and without the ending script for ME3.

I feel EXACTLY like this guy does about ME3's ending.

Modifié par AndrewLBC, 12 avril 2012 - 08:07 .

[Levi1988]

To me the bottom line with regards to this whole thing is: Bioware / EA made promises they either could not or did not follow through on. If they could not, they should tell us so and have an honest dialogue as to what happened, not a PR campaign to discredit / marginalize those of us willing to call them out on their broken promises. If they choose not to, they need to be aware there are financial consequences for any business willing to promise their customers anything regarding their products in order to increase sales without delivering. Eventually this behavior will cost them their customers. Those of us unhappy with the end of ME3 and the behavior of BioWare since we began objecting were their greatest sales asset for this game (I personally talked many of my friends & family into playing the ME games and buying them as well). By alienating us they have setup a dangerous game of "chicken" that can have no winners, only losers no matter what the outcome is (trust costs a lot more time, effort, and money to rebuild, and this is now about trust). The question is, which company is now going to step up, the BioWare we all love, or EA, the giant gaming company we are all growing to completely mistrust? Either way, we must HOLD THE LINE!!!

[Levi1988]

Ieldra2 wrote...

RABicle wrote...
So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

Of course these missions gave closure. They did so extremely well in fact. The problem is that the ending makes everything uncertain again, it destroys the closure achieved by playing the game to this point.

I absolutely agree this guy. And BTW the extended cut isn't what we wanted Bioware! We wanted a new ending, not more of the same old BS with the illogical ending which we had forced down our throats.

[Levi1988]

crowi83 wrote...

Thanks for the little crum of hope that I can even play Mass Effect ever again.

That crum better be made of gold, or I won't ever buy your games again after all this overhyping and betrayal.

You hit the nail on the head bro. BioWare has not only betrayed it's fans, but has pandered to the Satanic Overlord of gaming which is EA.

[Levi1988]

If BioWare didn't have enough common sense, decency, or sense of self respect to give it's fans what they deserved, then I hope they go bankrupt and all of it's employees lose their jobs and are forced into low income jobs. Sorry guys, but you deserve to catch the crappy end of the stick after what you've done to us.

[Thanatos144]

crowi83 wrote...

Thanks for the little crum of hope that I can even play Mass Effect ever again.

That crum better be made of gold, or I won't ever buy your games again after all this overhyping and betrayal.

LOL so much drama.

[Levi1988]

Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

I honestly do not understand the reaction from Bioware. They said they were listening, but then they would know that the majority of people wanted something more/better then just clarification.
(I have not seen a poll in the past month about this that said otherwise).

The game was obviously rushed. The vast difference in quality between Tchuchanka and the (horrible) Earth mission being the evidence. I'm sure some people of the Bioware team making this game would love to properly complete it if given the chance.

Since Bioware has no reason to rush their own products there has to be some pressure coming from elsewhere (EA).

The fan reaction basically gave Bioware the time and opportunity to rectify their mistake. A clear statement to whoever was running the show that rushing the last part of a trilogy as it is now would not be accepted. We asked for a do-over. Carte Blanche. And they use that opportunity to choose option that takes the least amount of effort...

Honestly, Bioware, it's not good writing. And just adding writing won't save it. It needs to be changed. What you did here is a franchise-killer. The fan's will wait. Not because we feel entitled, but because we know you can do better. We've seen it. Experienced it. Loved it.

The universe you created as it is now won't be talked about like BG or KOTOR for the next 10+ years. Only this failure will jump to memory. Please don't let the ME-memory be an inconsequential dash to the horrible ending.

This became a longer rant then intended, so sorry for that.  TL;DR  If you read only one thing in here:
As long as our choices don't matter, replayability is meaningless

I couldn't have said this better myself. Cudos.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

My theory is this game becomes famous as the worst ending in gaming history, followed by the most mediocre dlc in all of gaming history.

I'm keeping my expectations so low that a clip to Mr. Ed the horse telling the story to someone and the guy going "that's silly" will be enough for me.

Keep those expectations to the ground people having hope will only hurt you this summer.

[Ieldra]

Levi1988 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

RABicle wrote...
So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

Of course these missions gave closure. They did so extremely well in fact. The problem is that the ending makes everything uncertain again, it destroys the closure achieved by playing the game to this point.

I absolutely agree this guy. And BTW the extended cut isn't what we wanted Bioware! We wanted a new ending, not more of the same old BS with the illogical ending which we had forced down our throats.

That's not what I meant, actually. The EC *can* achieve that closure if they want it to. I like the final choice as such, it just needs more exposition. What I don't like is the confusion and the hopelessness. the destruction of everything I set out to save that comes as their - totally arbitrary - side effect.

[darthoptimus003]

what gets me that there is alot and i mean ALOT of polls world wide that show people want a new ending and this is how we the loyal fans are treated ec to "clarifiy the bs" and hiding behind artistic whatever is them showing they dont have the quad to man up and take resonsiblty for there mistake

[Thanatos144]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

what gets me that there is alot and i mean ALOT of polls world wide that show people want a new ending and this is how we the loyal fans are treated ec to "clarifiy the bs" and hiding behind artistic whatever is them showing they dont have the quad to man up and take resonsiblty for there mistake

Maybe the mojority who like the game are not voting in polls cause they are busy playing the games.......

[ShepardTheHopeful]

Ieldra2 wrote...

RABicle wrote...
So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

Of course these missions gave closure. They did so extremely well in fact. The problem is that the ending makes everything uncertain again, it destroys the closure achieved by playing the game to this point.

Hudson and Mac also had nothing to do with those missions. That was all John Dombrow. He will be spared in the purgings lol but yeah seriously everything John Dombrow touched turned to gold and everything Hudson and Mac touched turned to...well you saw the ending.

[SalsaDMA]

Thanatos144 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

what gets me that there is alot and i mean ALOT of polls world wide that show people want a new ending and this is how we the loyal fans are treated ec to "clarifiy the bs" and hiding behind artistic whatever is them showing they dont have the quad to man up and take resonsiblty for there mistake

Maybe the mojority who like the game are not voting in polls cause they are busy playing the games.......

Maybe the majority that aren't voting just shrugged and moved on to another publisher, putting a mark in their book not to bother with the company in the future given their experiences with it?

I'm sure you see what I did there

That having been said, people just dropping a company without giving the company feedback happens ALOT more often than when people get vocal about it. So you should worry more about all those than the ones that actually try and give feedback to their dissatisfaction.

[Nightdragon8]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

what gets me that there is alot and i mean ALOT of polls world wide that show people want a new ending and this is how we the loyal fans are treated ec to "clarifiy the bs" and hiding behind artistic whatever is them showing they dont have the quad to man up and take resonsiblty for there mistake

Maybe the mojority who like the game are not voting in polls cause they are busy playing the games.......

Maybe the majority that aren't voting just shrugged and moved on to another publisher, putting a mark in their book not to bother with the company in the future given their experiences with it?

I'm sure you see what I did there

That having been said, people just dropping a company without giving the company feedback happens ALOT more often than when people get vocal about it. So you should worry more about all those than the ones that actually try and give feedback to their dissatisfaction.

how can we vote yes or no on soemthing we haven't seen?

It could help with everything or it could just make things worse. so until it comes out I"m not going to vote.

I think this would be putting the cart before the horse

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 12 avril 2012 - 10:15 .

[DashRunner92]

RABicle wrote...

So you didn't get any closure form the missions on Tuchanka and Rannoch then? You didn't see the whole game as an ending Beserker2?

Are you serious? The whole game can't be an ending. That's just trying to justify the ending. It doesn't work that way. Tuchanka and Rannoch give closure to their storylines, but the ending pretty much removes anything you did for those two storylines.