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[SalsaDMA]

Maeshone wrote...

SWTOR was DEFINATELY not a flop, it is currently the second most succesful pay to play MMO on the market, and all the signs point towards it growing and not declining, so I have no idea where you got the idea that these two titles were flops from

I think you are seeing that game in way too positive a light.

I'm also wondering what signs you claim there is of it growing and not declining. I only saw staleness and a dwindling userbase from an already dead game in the 2 months I bothered with it.

All the stuff they are doing already to try and get players back tells me it's a huge problem for them. The game is still supposed to be early in its life, yet have already resorted to giving a free month just to try and get players back.

Is it still filled with gamebreaking bugs? I haven't really bothered checking up on the games updates after I stopped playing. Something tells me it still is, though, as quite a few of those bugs were reported already in beta.

[Maeshone]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

SWTOR was DEFINATELY not a flop, it is currently the second most succesful pay to play MMO on the market, and all the signs point towards it growing and not declining, so I have no idea where you got the idea that these two titles were flops from

I think you are seeing that game in way too positive a light.

I'm also wondering what signs you claim there is of it growing and not declining. I only saw staleness and a dwindling userbase from an already dead game in the 2 months I bothered with it.

All the stuff they are doing already to try and get players back tells me it's a huge problem for them. The game is still supposed to be early in its life, yet have already resorted to giving a free month just to try and get players back.

Is it still filled with gamebreaking bugs? I haven't really bothered checking up on the games updates after I stopped playing. Something tells me it still is, though, as quite a few of those bugs were reported already in beta.

The retention rate from both published reports were 1.7 million out of 2 million sold copies, that is the highest launch retention rate of any MMO. Currently I can not state if it is growing or declining, so I retract that statement, though it is my belief that it is growing as I constantly see new players on my server.

The stuff could just as easily be a marketing stunt, but yeah, 50s are more likely to leave as there is unfortunately way to little endgame content to entertain the hardcore, even with the promise of more coming.

As for the bugs, I haven't once run into a gamebreaker, that doesn't mean they aren't there, but It's an issue I cannot comment on.

[sheltomlee]

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No."

LOL who the hell is running this company?

[akashacatbat]

I found this quote whilst cleaning up my facebook page. It's something I have had sitting there for over a year. And it hit me that this is exactly why I (and by extension, my Shepard) have such a problem with the Star Child, and our options to deal with him.

"And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual  human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight  for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes,  undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion or  government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am  and what I am about. I can understand why a system built on pattern must try to destroy the  free mind, for that is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a  system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight  against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the  uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost." - John Stienbeck, East of Eden

This sums up my main concern with the extended cut. Even if some of the other plot holes are explained away, we are still left with the fundamental problem that we are not given the choice to fight the damn Star Child. The glory is killed, whether or not the plot holes are filled.

Like I have said before, I am going to give the DLC a chance. But I am not hopeful.

Modifié par akashacatbat, 14 avril 2012 - 09:48 .

[Firewolf99]

Well, It's free, and it promises to clear up the scriptwriters visions of the ending (Which, in some cases, sees Shepard survive) So we don't know to what extent the game could provide us with a better ending.

Bioware, I own a copy of Mass Effect 3, but I was going to take it back due to your inability to publish a decent ending. I'm placing trust in you to release a decent epilogue that provides us with the closure we seek, as well as the clarification of the massive plot holes you have torn in your own universe. Please don't screw up my trust by releasing a couple of rubbish extra slides per ending. I want a detailed epilogue chronicling the effects of my decisions on every character.

After all, this story is CHARACTER driven. Therefore, I want to know what happened to the CHARACTERS. If not, you've essentially failed at your own MO.

Being free is a good start. Being free and rubbish, however, wouldn't be.

[ChildOfEden]

Why not just take a dump on my chest BioWare? Better yet, give me "apple juice," and then tell me you killed off Liara indiscriminately.

[Solid Gally]

To be fair, I think that everybody has been trolled by Bioware regarding the ending of ME3.
By that, I mean that the 'ending' we saw is clearly not the 'true' ending of the game.

Think about it. How do you release DLC for a game which concludes the entire series, unless you set the DLC after the events of the game somehow? Why would people want to see it unless they hated the ending that they saw?
My guess is that they originally intended to charge money for the 'Extended Cut' DLC but now realise that it would be the worst PR move possible, considering the uproar that ME3 has caused in general amongst fans of the series.

We've all seen Bioware's cheap tactics with the 'From Ashes' DLC. They've played the 'day one bonus DLC card' already.

It's obvious that Bioware knew exactly what they were doing with the ending.
And if they didn't, then the 'Indoctrination theory' has saved their asses a lot of time and effort; because now they can easily capitalise on it (if that wasn't already the original intention).

Modifié par Solid Gally, 15 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[venom56321489]

Unfortunately Bioware is not going to do anymore then the extended cut. They have sold I think 1.5 million copies, and the articles on internet claim polls only contain about 3,000 fans. Even though those are hardcore fans I believe they will let us go in favor of mass majority.

GAME OVER!

[Stronglav]

Solid Gally wrote...

To be fair, I think that everybody has been trolled by Bioware regarding the ending of ME3.
By that, I mean that the 'ending' we saw is clearly not the 'true' ending of the game.

Think about it. How do you release DLC for a game which concludes the entire series, unless you set the DLC after the events of the game somehow? Why would people want to see it unless they hated the ending that they saw?
My guess is that they originally intended to charge money for the 'Extended Cut' DLC but now realise that it would be the worst PR move possible, considering the uproar that ME3 has caused in general amongst fans of the series.

We've all seen Bioware's cheap tactics with the 'From Ashes' DLC. They've played the 'day one bonus DLC card' already.

It's obvious that Bioware knew exactly what they were doing with the ending.
And if they didn't, then the 'Indoctrination theory' has saved their asses a lot of time and effort; because now they can easily capitalise on it (if that wasn't already the original intention).

I agree.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Really not excited for the Cut, to be honest. They aren't changing the endings, so I can't possibly imagine what they have in mind. Clarification doesn't cut it. Not when the failure is so incredibly dense.

I've been wondering just what the hell they were thinking when they said they aren't changing the endings in order to preserve their 'artistic vision'. Charles Dickens rewrote the ending to Great Expectations after it was criticized by his followers back then. Originally, Pip reunites with Estella after her husband's death and discovers she was remarried. He wishes her well and moves on. This ending was eventually rewritten with numerous changes, the most prominent of which was that Estella never remarried. Instead, Pip proposes to her when he meets on the street at the end and the two get married, living happily ever after. Not surprisingly, this ending is regarded as the best of the two by modern literary criticism.

That was Charles Dickens, the greatest novelist of the Victorian period. He didn't say rewriting an ending would ruin his artistic vision. And he was more of an artistic than Casey or Mac ever will be. If he could do it, surely BioWare can.

[Rhaigun]

Overall I'm pleased with ME3. Did I like the ending? Not really. But, it was a tiny fraction of the whole game. "Bu-but, what about it completing the story, and bringing closure...and..stuff?!" I had enough closure on the journey to the end. Hell, I even got to have conversations with everyone before the end. If you ask me, that's the true ending. Screw the catalyst and subsequent FMV.

Will I get the DLC? Sure, I've gotten all of them for the past games. I'm sure I'll get around to playing it when I get tired of the multiplayer. I'm not sweating it though. I'm satisfied.

[AlanC9]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I've been wondering just what the hell they were thinking when they said they aren't changing the endings in order to preserve their 'artistic vision'. Charles Dickens rewrote the ending to Great Expectations after it was criticized by his followers back then. Originally, Pip reunites with Estella after her husband's death and discovers she was remarried. He wishes her well and moves on. This ending was eventually rewritten with numerous changes, the most prominent of which was that Estella never remarried. Instead, Pip proposes to her when he meets on the street at the end and the two get married, living happily ever after. Not surprisingly, this ending is regarded as the best of the two by modern literary criticism.

That was Charles Dickens, the greatest novelist of the Victorian period. He didn't say rewriting an ending would ruin his artistic vision. And he was more of an artistic than Casey or Mac ever will be. If he could do it, surely BioWare can.

Sure. But on the other side we've got the horrible new ending to Meet John Doe, the awful 18th century Shakespeare butcherings, etc.

[The Wizard]

Congratulations Bioware, you have joined Crytek on my list of "Do NOT buy games from these manufacturers"
The ME3 ending SUCKED, as pretty much ALL of your fans have informed you. Like Crytek, however, you REFUSE to listen to the people who buy your games, and enable that massive paycheque you take home each week. Your articles where your writers disrespect the entire gaming community, referring to us as "entitled" puts the final nail in the coffin.

"Entitled" we may be, but after shelling out almost $300.00 for a series of games, I feel I'm owed a bit of "entitlement". If your people want to write stories, without any care or consideration of their fanbase, let them write novels, and TRY to make a living at that. Producing a product - any product - means putting something out there that the people buying it will be happy with, not that your technical team can pat each other's backs about.
Not to mention the plot holes that I could drive a truck through - no indication of where the "catalyst" came from, or how it could possibly even consider what the Reapers are doing as "preservation". The thought is utterly ridiculous to ME, a human, and this thing is supposed to be so much more intelligent than Organic Life. PLUS there is no explanation what-so-ever as to how a bunch of machines could control organic minds telepathically. You explained the nanites with the husks, but nanites can't explain how people were "indoctrinated" by simple proximity to Reaper Tech. Perhaps you intended that these same nanites are pumped into the air near every piece of Reaper Tech, but that's just a guess, as you don't make that clear.

AND - let's face it, folks - ANY story that ends by killing off the star is going to be met with Fan outrage. It may be that your writing staff is intentionally trying to kill off your brand with such an idiotic ending to an otherwise phenomenal storyline.

Your self-important staff quite obviously find their flawed vision of an ending much more important than making your fans happy, so I truly hope that your arrogance back-fires, and you find yourselves making new titles that please your staff, but that NO ONE buys. Let's see how long Bioware can stay afloat with this self indulgent attitude.

At any rate, my rant here is simply to congratulate EVERYONE at Bioware for managing to alienate the people who buy your titles! Hopefully most will join me in NEVER AGAIN BUYING A TITLE FROM YOUR COMPANY!

Modifié par The Wizard, 15 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[zoompooky]

Not sure if posted, but:

Better Business Bureau confirms ME3 was falsely advertised.

http://www.bbb.org/b...etter-or-worse/

[DirgeSinger]

zoompooky wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of the Mass Effect franchise.

FTFY.  YW

I don't think the devs deserve that. Let's be a bit more civil, eh?

We can be civil and still tell them that is a) Not what fans want, A bad business move, and c) "artistic vision" is faulty logic and false reasoning, and everyone knows it.

[DirgeSinger]

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

This, please!

[nporter1]

Well, they can put as many cinematic excuses in there as they want - it doesn't change the choices we were given but it does change how I view Bioware. I will never trust them again. For years of being invested in a remarkable story only to have it gutted in the last 15 minutes has left a bad taste in my mouth. It's a crying shame as it could have been brilliant and what a change that a company would have listened to their fans. Just proves Bioware is no different then all the others wanting to  make a buck.

[Dark Stoppsy]

To be honest, I'm not sure what to feel here.

The Extended Cut might just be more dialogue between the old man and the child at the end of the credits

OR

It could finally give us the closure we need to set us at ease.
I guess only time will tell...

Modifié par Dark Stoppsy, 16 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[Wildcard66]

Derek Larke said....

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team
that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game?
No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to
us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

And you should be proud. I think sometimes fans get carried away with all of the time & money they've put into a game (or a trilogy in this case) they think its ok to demand changes. They forget that these stories are sometimes drafter out beginning to end all at the same time - at least the main plot lines.

From what I've read, there are at least 3 main types of endings (I think there are actually 6 or 8), acheivable if you are a first-time player, or (like me) if you started out with the first Mass Effect. Bravo for taking the time to do all of these different endings!

Its also glad to hear you listen to feedback BUT are not ruled by it. I'd hate to play a game that was maniuplated so thoroughly by the gamers. The creative people @ video game companies have their jobs for a reason.

I am looking forward (hopefully) to a new Mass Effect trilogy!

[OlympusMons423]

I am playing my second time through, and there are so many wonderful moments in it still. I just can;t understand how you can write so well early and mid game and then screw up the ending so badly...I just can't get my head around it still.

[akeizm_]

I'm half way through a complete trilogy replay. I'm going to wait for the DLC before I start ME3 again, but I think this will be the last play through I ever make of the series. Probably go and collect dust in the back of the cupboard.

[GizmoKodiak]

What I really want, more than anything in the world. More than a new ending, more than any DLC... Is a well thought out and written explanation and reasoning of the ending. I don't need to know exactly what it all means, I just want to hear their reasons why they believe it was the best option they could have come up with... I know, they don't have to. But if I wrote a script for a client and they would ask me what the ending was all about, I would in the least give a reason as to why I thought it was a good idea.

Kubrick did it, Nolan did it.

And as a writer, the ending is just... My god... Anyway. Reasons... That's all I ask for.

And "Lots of speculation" is not a reason. Ambiguity requires reasoning as well, for it to actually work.

[silver6kraid]

Dark Stoppsy wrote...

To be honest, I'm not sure what to feel here.

The Extended Cut might just be more dialogue between the old man and the child at the end of the credits

OR

It could finally give us the closure we need to set us at ease.
I guess only time will tell...

I have a feeling it will be the latter, or at least I hope so. Even people who liked the ending say that stargazer crap was just stupid and didn't belong. 

[silver6kraid]

DirgeSinger wrote...

zoompooky wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of the Mass Effect franchise.

FTFY.  YW

I don't think the devs deserve that. Let's be a bit more civil, eh?

We can be civil and still tell them that is a) Not what fans want, A bad business move, and c) "artistic vision" is faulty logic and false reasoning, and everyone knows it.

You know my biggest problem with the backlash of the ending is how people are attacking Bioware in a very rude and vicious manner. I know it's the internet and that's kind of the nature of the beast, but still, I think being plesant and not insulting them would do wonders. Too many people have so much hatred and bile towards Bioware all of a sudden and it's very disconserting. Worst yet they focous only on the ending and seem to forget that there is another 99% of the series to look back on fondly. Bioware gave us a great trilogy and while the ending was botched, it's still not too late to fix it. Nobody really knows what the extended cut will include except Bioware, and until we know what it is we should be patent and respectful. Thanks for promoting such an attitude, it's just too bad so many fans are being so uncivil. 

[Raseri]

Estelindis wrote...

I don't see how this is going to give most of those who were disappointed in the ending what they're actually looking for.  Bioware may be proud of the ending, but the "passionate" fans referenced in the press release are not.  Given that these are the fans to whom, presumably, you're responding, I sincerely doubt that this will do much to improve relations.  Like so many others, I wanted additional endings, for Shepard to be able to object to the last-minute antogonist.  If the Extended Cut does not provide this, it will not satisfy its intended audience.

For the record, I think that Bioware has every right to be proud of the main game.  Most of those protesting at the ending agree.  However, I think that it's possible to make deep mistakes in the art of storytelling, and, when one does that, hiding behind the label of "art" is not a demonstration of integrity.

People may say: why can't you wait and see?  Why not give Bioware a chance?  It's not an entirely unfair response.  It's exactly what I would have said before I experienced the ending of ME3.  I had faith in Bioware then.  But it's very difficult to maintain such faith after having been so deeply disappointed by the ending and having seen no indication that Bioware feel the ending was a mistake.

Bioware, it's not too late to change your minds about this.  You still have months before this DLC is going to be released, months in which to reconsider.  Changing your mind after making a mistake is not a weakness; it's a strength.  If nothing else, ask yourself how likely it is that fans who loved Mass Effect will be interested in any new franchises you create.  If the loving work of years can be squandered in a few minutes, it discourages us from investing in another new world and new characters.  After all, you could just do to them what you've done to Mass Effect with the ending of ME3.  Please, please reconsider.

I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly.  The fact that somehow, whomever was in charge of the writing at the end came up with something that is so nearly universally loathed and Bioware still backs them to the public is *not* showing integrity as a company.  Integrity is admitting the mistake and striving to fix it.  My concern is that EA doesn't want Bioware to spend a penny more than they have to on this extended cut debacle-in-the-making so then Bioware can turn around and say "see what we did".

Yes, 98% of ME3 was awesome, but the last 2% was horrible and expanding on why you made it horrible isn't going to satisfy anyone.  Whomever came up with the endings don't even understand what artistic integrity means, and the decision to expand endings that are hated shows that no one there knows what plain ol' integrity means either.