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[Legion91]

absolutley pathetic, i have invested over 120 hours of gametime through 1,2,3 only to be given the worst ending in gaming history and then they comeout with this pathetic excuse about artistic integrityand saying the ending is perfectlyfine when its horrible, im through with bio ware.

[crazyrabbits]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are we going to change the ending of the game? No.

When you refer to "we", are you talking about the entire writing team, or just Mr. Walters and Mr. Hudson? There's a difference, considering that at least one of your staff has already come out against the endings as they stand.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 05 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[BeefoTheBold]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Don't forget folks. The ending is fine. It just needs to be clarified (A.K.A. they just need to explain it more slowly for you stupid people) and not at all redone.

The problem, per Bioware's response, isn't that the ending is a bad one. We're just too stupid to understand it.

Tha'ts not what they are saying.

There are obvious plotholes they wil lbe filling... read with your eyes, not your asp next time.

Fixing the "makes no sense" stuff is all we needed.

Incorrect. Having an ending that reflects player choices throughout three games like we were promised is what is needed.

And the plot holes are IMPOSSIBLE to fix without scrapping significant parts of the ending. The ending retconns out whole sections of the previous two games out of existence.

[beyondsolo]

I think the fact that BioWare is going to do anything at all is a good sign and somewhat ameliorates the worst fears I've had about the company and its future. Also, the fact that it's going to be free seems like a good thing to me.

I just hope that this won't be a cheap move to just placate the fans by adding a cutscene or two that were orgininally cut from the game with the goal just to say, "Look, there you go. More closure. Now buy our other DLC." Of course I reserve judgement until I've actually seen the Extended Cut, but my trust in BioWare is on probation until then. This is their chance to prove that they actually do care about the universe and its characters and that they're willing to put in more artistic effort than "lots of speculation for everyone."

[MaleQuariansFTW]

"Additional closure and clarity".

Hmm. Don't you have have prior closure in order to have additional closure?

[Demon Velsper]

Art. Riiiight. The art your publisher dictates, the art that you mass-produce simply for profit. You can call it what you want, but you're not fooling anyone.

[Kargsure]

Wise Men wrote...

Sounds cool. I'm glad to hear that you are not "changing the ending" just to appeas the vocal minority. Maybe this will make them happy.

Ah...who am I kidding...some gamers will still complain. Either way, good Job Bioware. Kudos for sticking to your guns. Keep up the good work!

Any good market researcher will tell you that the polls that have been done (and not just on BSN btw) show that this isn't just a vocal minority.  Speaking to someone that works for a Market Research company I was informed that assuming 1.5 million copies of the game were sold then a poll only requires a sample size of just 750 people to reflect the whole.  I would think that a poll with over 10,000 responses more than covers the 750.  In addition webpolls are considered to have a 20% margin of error.

From this, and a poll where over 90% of people said they disliked the ending - we can extrapolate that over 70% of people that bought the game disliked the ending - hardly a minority.

[LinksOcarina]

heart486 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Persephone wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, we want an ending that doesn't ask us to pick a color.

So you hated ME2 as well, I take it? Never mind that ME3's endings aren't about picking a color.

ME2 had almost countless combinations within the endings. I really have no idea how you can say this.

Blue explosion & red explosion....

GREAT combinations indeed.

Guess you forgot about how many deaths can happen to right? Or that it was possible to get an ending you wanted?

Funny, everyone I know complained about that part because it came out of nowhere...

Mass Effect 2 had three endings basically.

1. where you live with everyone else, and the reaper being destroyed/saved

2. where you live with some deaths, and the reaper being destroyed/saved

3. where you die along with the crew, and the reaper being destoryed/saved

So when you get right down to it...not much of a change, they just hid it better in Mass Effect 2 with hidden requirements that could determine who lives and dies.

But ME2 wasn't the final game. It was a stepping stone to the real battle. Of course there wouldn't be a ton of different endings because it wasn't THE end.

And the point is...what exactly? Because Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy it needs to have 100 different scenarios accounted for?

When in fact, 90% of the choices made affected the buildup to the finale in Mass Effect 3, anything involving the Krogans, Turians, Salarians, Geth, Quarians, Asari, and so forth were resolved before the final push, and a majority of the choices given from the previous titles were resolved in-game before the end anyway meant nothing?

Not to mention the retcons made when things didn't happen, because they had to make side-storylines involving characters and enemies, such as the Rachni, the Citadel council, Anderson, and so forth. You know, things to make the game work in the end when a character died?

Your excuse doesn't hold water. Simple as that. 

[Amyra]

"NO, our ending is awesome, and just be happy we are going to explain you why"

I'm actually disappointed people are giving into this....
wasn't the ending the problem.... it's not changing, why are you so happy it's getting extended?

[Persephone]

beyondsolo wrote...

I think the fact that BioWare is going to do anything at all is a good sign and somewhat ameliorates the worst fears I've had about the company and its future. Also, the fact that it's going to be free seems like a good thing to me.

I just hope that this won't be a cheap move to just placate the fans by adding a cutscene or two that were orgininally cut from the game with the goal just to say, "Look, there you go. More closure. Now buy our other DLC." Of course I reserve judgement until I've actually seen the Extended Cut, but my trust in BioWare is on probation until then. This is their chance to prove that they actually do care about the universe and its characters and that they're willing to put in more artistic effort than "lots of speculation for everyone."

Pretty much this.

[Nimrodell]

I'm glad they are releasing this DLC 'cause I really wanted real closure - no speculation, real closure. Indoctrination theory and such things were growing wild and out of hand with current ending - and all I wanted is real closure. If my Shepard's dying I want to know it was worth it - that much Shepard deserves, after all, s/he is from video game and no need for real life BS where true heroes always die alone and soon they get forgotten, like nothing happened. At least in video games we can have something of more ideal world.

[MysticFred]

Ha, well what did you all expect? They had to say something to avoid the ****storm at PAX, though I'm afraid they just made it worse.

[FlashedMyDrive]

Which fanbase were you listening to Bioware? Do you think we are so stupid as to not understand the ending and require, "clarification"?

Keep hanging on to that artistic integrity excuse, because all that means is Bioware won't be getting another cent from me.

[Konane117]

Will this DLC add more gameplay? Or is it just a couple new cutscenes?

[chiliztri]

charmingcharlie wrote...

If this is the best Bioware can do then they needn't bother. It is pretty clear that they "listened" to their fans and then completely ignored them and have chosen to cobble together a few crappy videos/epilogue screens. Hey I wonder if Bioware will use stock video footage for the "clarification" videos ?

Took the words straight from my mouth.

The moment I saw "artistic vision" in the announcement, I heartily laughed and walked away from the computer. They obviously haven't listened to a thing we've been saying if they keep insisting that their ending has artistic integrity and vision

Modifié par chiliztri, 05 avril 2012 - 04:35 .

[Vincent-Vega]

I'll just copy and paste from another thread:

People need to realize it's not their game, it's Biowares'.
While we as customers have every right to complain about the product we buy, we have no right to demand a change in favour of our personal taste.
Yes, many will probably still be disappointed with the game after the dlc and they have every right to be, but to dictate Bioware what to to with their own game is absurd.
I didn't like the ending myself and I'm actually pretty pissed off due to their day one dlc, their unfinished game and origin, but I support their extended ending dlc.
They acknowledge their ending was far from perfect and accept the critisicm while still believing in their own product. Yes the game won't wondrously become perfect with everything the fans had hoped for but this is better than some forced ending Bioware doesn't believe in.

[Athdaraxen]

Is this DLC even actually out yet? *fails*

*stares at Bioware*
Why do you put a band-aid on a broken spine?

[UntalkativeBunny]

DoctorEss wrote...

It was already statistically shown that
people who liked the nonsensical ending were the minority, not the
other way around.

An online poll isn't a statistic, nor was flooded bad reviews or anything else that was done because people thought the ending was "so bad" they went ballistic.

[Nephilym83]

I still can't believe they are actually proud of that ending. Artistic integrity? When you allow your art to go from amazing to bull****, you have no integrity. Just saying.

[crimsontotem]

this response means that Bioware has NOT been listening to our fans. what the hell have these guys have been doing? I mourn for you bioware. I mourn for the universes that you have created. Say good bye to Dragon age 3 and upcoming franchise for Mass Effect and good bye to SWTOR. you just lost your core fanbase. Good luck with your future. Doubt you guys will be successful.

[Painbastard666]

Dear Bioware,

i don't know if anyone official will read this. The number of comments about the end of ME3, and now, the announcement of the Extended Cut let me think that no one will.

Here are my thoughts about the upcoming DLC.

Could you really say, you're happy with this Ending? Could you really say you're proud about killing the whole ME Universe in about 10-15 minutes? Why have you built it up when you want an end like this? Masochistic thoughts at the whole Team?

All the sweat, blood & tears making the games, and - for us - playing the games have turned out useless, meaningless when the end keeps the way it is.

It doesn't matter if you choose the blue, green or red way. Every path leads to one thing. Bombing back the whole universe to Stone Age.

Why saving the Rachni in ME1, now they trapped where they are.
Why saving the Council in ME1, they can't run the galaxy anymore
Why blowing up the collectors base in ME2, nobody can get there either way.
Why helping out all the species in ME3 and collecting War Assets when nobody will get home.

Let me make a comparison with that other great space saga called Star Wars.

The End we know (Return of the Jedi): Death Star blown up, mostly everybody save, the bad guys dead, the free galaxy is dancing and singing.

The End when you wrote it: Death Star blown up, ... but nobody will ever hear about it, because word can't spread.

Or maybe: Death Star still there half rebel fleet & half imperial fleet blown to pieces and then .... the Emperor says: "hey Luke, nice to meet you, you can end this, but only when you marry me and we all will have fun together." the whole galaxy is dancing and singing.

Can you imagine an end like this? I can't. And for ME3 - I never will.

Thats the main thing. Keep your magical WhizKid, keep your blown up things keep all the logic errors. Keep all player decisions that turn out futile, but, don't keep that one thing that stops the galactic society from working.

I would name it, but spoilers are not allowed.

PS: every grammatical error in my writing is there to show one thing. I'm no native speaker.

[Alright-Television]

PAX will be interesting to say the least.

[Conan2009]

Seriously?? i know they never read this, but...

WTF bioware?? i have the hope of "adoctrinaction theory" was correct and then wait until the DLC with the real end, but now u say "our artistic vision and bla, bla, bla..." bsht!!! that is crap, the end dont make sense for trilogy and we arent stupid that need more explanation about the ending, we ask a better closure for our adventure that u ppl in Bioware sell us how one "unique experience based in our decision" and pick between 3 colours isnt precisely that, less if the next scenes are fully illogical and ncoherents...

Anyway obviously they dont read these, but i need expel this crap from my system, and be greatful Bioware that english isnt my lenguage, coz u are win a lot more of angry words from me in that case...

[Felene]

Not changing the ending? Okay, thanks for 12 years of fun and games BioWare. I am out.