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[Daiyus]

akashacatbat wrote...

I found this quote whilst cleaning up my facebook page. It's something I have had sitting there for over a year. And it hit me that this is exactly why I (and by extension, my Shepard) have such a problem with the Star Child, and our options to deal with him.

"And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual  human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight  for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes,  undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion or  government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am  and what I am about. I can understand why a system built on pattern must try to destroy the  free mind, for that is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a  system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight  against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the  uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost." - John Stienbeck, East of Eden

This sums up my main concern with the extended cut. Even if some of the other plot holes are explained away, we are still left with the fundamental problem that we are not given the choice to fight the damn Star Child. The glory is killed, whether or not the plot holes are filled.

Like I have said before, I am going to give the DLC a chance. But I am not hopeful.

While admirably true, you've never had "freedom" in the Mass Effect Series, not even huge sandbox games like The Elder Scrolls really gives you that level of freedom. It's the nature of video games, and the technological restrictions in place. You aren't given the choice to fight Starchild, nor were you given the option to save both Kaiden and Ashley, or to convince the Dalatrass that curing the Genophage is a good idea. All you've ever had is the choice of pre-made options, with the clever illusion of freedom. The ending scenario shatters that illusion, yes, but it's not unusual in it's excecution.

[floppypig]

Daiyus wrote...

akashacatbat wrote...

I found this quote whilst cleaning up my facebook page. It's something I have had sitting there for over a year. And it hit me that this is exactly why I (and by extension, my Shepard) have such a problem with the Star Child, and our options to deal with him.

"And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual  human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight  for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes,  undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion or  government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am  and what I am about. I can understand why a system built on pattern must try to destroy the  free mind, for that is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a  system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight  against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the  uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost." - John Stienbeck, East of Eden

This sums up my main concern with the extended cut. Even if some of the other plot holes are explained away, we are still left with the fundamental problem that we are not given the choice to fight the damn Star Child. The glory is killed, whether or not the plot holes are filled.

Like I have said before, I am going to give the DLC a chance. But I am not hopeful.

While admirably true, you've never had "freedom" in the Mass Effect Series, not even huge sandbox games like The Elder Scrolls really gives you that level of freedom. It's the nature of video games, and the technological restrictions in place. You aren't given the choice to fight Starchild, nor were you given the option to save both Kaiden and Ashley, or to convince the Dalatrass that curing the Genophage is a good idea. All you've ever had is the choice of pre-made options, with the clever illusion of freedom. The ending scenario shatters that illusion, yes, but it's not unusual in it's excecution.

Furthermore, you're never given the option to allow the Reapers to reap or agree with them. Yes, I realise that it would be stupid, but the point still stands. 

[TsubakiYayoi]

I´m just keep telling myself it can´t get any worse it can´t get any worse it can´t get any worse then it is now so there is hope here for this DLC.
Hold the line and sanity until DLC-Release people.

Modifié par TsubakiYayoi, 16 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[zoompooky]

DirgeSinger wrote...

zoompooky wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of the Mass Effect franchise.

FTFY.  YW

I don't think the devs deserve that. Let's be a bit more civil, eh?

We can be civil and still tell them that is a) Not what fans want, A bad business move, and c) "artistic vision" is faulty logic and false reasoning, and everyone knows it.

My opinion is, they made their bed and now they can sleep in it.

For the record, my post above which you are quoting is entirely civil.  I'm simply letting them know that their actions have further reaching consequences than ME3, and doing so with some humor.

In the end it's a moot point - because none of them are reading any of this.

[RyuujinZERO]

TsubakiYayoi wrote...

I´m just keep telling myself it can´t get any worse it can´t get any worse it can´t get any worse then it is now so there is hope here for this DLC.

At this stage I'm ready for worst case scenario... before ME3 came out I joked "honestly, short of them pulling a deus ex machina out their ass this is a guaranteed win" then the crucible came and was explained and i was like "whoa, awesome. A solution to the reapers that isn't a deux ex machina! - bioware, you never dissapoint me!".


...then the star brat showed up. And he was like "I heard you were happy there wasn't a deus ex machina... so i figured you needed a bit more deux ex machina"

[poerksen]

Im kind of looking forward to the ****storm after bioware has released the Extended Cut DLC.
Fixing all the plotholes and nonsense with additional cinematics and conversation options is just impossible.

Reading peoples comments and watching funny ME3 videos on youtube is the only fun im getting out of the game currently. Have not played the game since i finished it. What is the point? ME2 is superior in every thinkable way.

[Belhawk]

agreed, extended cut will do nothing to fix the mess BW created with ME 3 ending.
For me, I can't play any of the ME games without thinking of the ME 3 ending and getting depressed. It is a sad ending to the ME universe for me. I doubt that i will play another ME game given how i currently feel.
I finished the game the 1st week it came out and it still depresses me when i think abt it.

[Thanatos144]

So 110 pages of mostly people crying about something that hasn't been made yet..........Okay this is to funny.

[MichaelSD]

"Im kind of looking forward to the ****storm after bioware has released the Extended Cut DLC. "
Yes, It is kinda amusing, no entertaining. One more reason to stick around...

[SumoMau]

Do we really have to hold the game since summer only to see some more story movies?
I'll sell it as soon i have the platinum (the only reason why i have still this last disappointing chapter), and i'll see the DLC movies on youtube.
I hoped so much in this third chapter... i hoped it could be again a good RPG... but it was not... like all promises that EA makes.
I know now, i have not to buy Dragon Age 3, as i do not belive you any more.

I'm am so sorry and sad.
ciao

[Wang Lightning]

floppypig wrote...

Furthermore, you're never given the option to allow the Reapers to reap or agree with them. Yes, I realise that it would be stupid, but the point still stands. 

Sovereign- “WE IMPOSE ORDER ON THE CHAOS OF ORGANIC EVOLUTION. YOU EXIST BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT......AND YOU WILL END BECAUSE WE DEMAND IT.”

Shepard- "Hey man, I'm not trying to tell anyone else how to do their job, you know? Stay chill bro, I'm gonna go get some burritos. Maybe some funyons, too. Man I love funyons...."


                                                                           CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE

Modifié par Wang Lightning, 16 avril 2012 - 08:20 .

[Wolf]

I'm sorry but, what the hell is this?

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

"Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding"

Then what the hell are you listening to? The opinion that the ending is horrible is nearly unanimous, and the best you can do is cling to a vague term like "artistic integrity" to justify what is purely rushed and bad writing?

Sorry but that doesn't cut it with me. I loved ME3 and can understand what a labor of love it must have been for the team (except for the ending, which we are almost certain was written by two, very specific people) but to deny that the problems are there and masquerade them as fans wanting more or not having enough time to say goodbye to characters is downright insulting to people who have supported you over the years.

I really hope the EC brings more to the table than extra cutscenes and epilogue screens, like a chance to not play by a certain character's rules and give player agency back to players. Seriously.

Please Bioware. I really have fallen in love with the universes you have created. Don't let us down like this, you can do it I'm sure. It won't make you look weak. It will earn you the respect of nearly everyone of those that have been here for years.

Make it right, please. You have that chance, don't waste it.

-Your fan.

[Nayt Navare]

Gaiden96 wrote...

I'm sorry but, what the hell is this?

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

"Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding"

Then what the hell are you listening to? The opinion that the ending is horrible is nearly unanimous, and the best you can do is cling to a vague term like "artistic integrity" to justify what is purely rushed and bad writing?

Sorry but that doesn't cut it with me. I loved ME3 and can understand what a labor of love it must have been for the team (except for the ending, which we are almost certain was written by two, very specific people) but to deny that the problems are there and masquerade them as fans wanting more or not having enough time to say goodbye to characters is downright insulting to people who have supported you over the years.

I really hope the EC brings more to the table than extra cutscenes and epilogue screens, like a chance to not play by a certain character's rules and give player agency back to players. Seriously.

Please Bioware. I really have fallen in love with the universes you have created. Don't let us down like this, you can do it I'm sure. It won't make you look weak. It will earn you the respect of nearly everyone of those that have been here for years.

Make it right, please. You have that chance, don't waste it.

-Your fan.

QQQUUUUUUOOOOTTTTEEEEEE FOR TRUTH

[Wolf]

Daiyus wrote...

While admirably true, you've never had "freedom" in the Mass Effect Series, not even huge sandbox games like The Elder Scrolls really gives you that level of freedom. It's the nature of video games, and the technological restrictions in place. You aren't given the choice to fight Starchild, nor were you given the option to save both Kaiden and Ashley, or to convince the Dalatrass that curing the Genophage is a good idea. All you've ever had is the choice of pre-made options, with the clever illusion of freedom. The ending scenario shatters that illusion, yes, but it's not unusual in it's excecution.

The Ash/Kaidan situation on Virmire does offer choice, it's one of the finest examples of choice, actual choice for that matter, in the ME universe. It has meaningful consequences through out the series as ME3 proves. Maybe you still have them in the same role but it still changes the interaction with either of them.

If this situation was the same it would have been something along the lines of the dalatrass telling Shepard it's a mistake curing the genophage, and Shepard going "Welp, I tried! What do we do then?". Makes Shepard suffer from "Hawke Syndrome" .

It takes away player agency and makes Shepard seem like a submissive and incapable character (like we have proven he or she isn't over the course of 2.9 games.

[Shepard108278]

Gaiden96 wrote...

I'm sorry but, what the hell is this?

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

"Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding"

Then what the hell are you listening to? The opinion that the ending is horrible is nearly unanimous, and the best you can do is cling to a vague term like "artistic integrity" to justify what is purely rushed and bad writing?

Sorry but that doesn't cut it with me. I loved ME3 and can understand what a labor of love it must have been for the team (except for the ending, which we are almost certain was written by two, very specific people) but to deny that the problems are there and masquerade them as fans wanting more or not having enough time to say goodbye to characters is downright insulting to people who have supported you over the years.

I really hope the EC brings more to the table than extra cutscenes and epilogue screens, like a chance to not play by a certain character's rules and give player agency back to players. Seriously.

Please Bioware. I really have fallen in love with the universes you have created. Don't let us down like this, you can do it I'm sure. It won't make you look weak. It will earn you the respect of nearly everyone of those that have been here for years.

Make it right, please. You have that chance, don't waste it.

-Your fan.

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

[Jills Toy]

And I quote:

"So where do we go from here? Throughout the next year, we will support Mass Effect 3 by working on new  content.  And we’ll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be. This is not the last you’ll hear of Commander Shepard.  We look forward to your continued support and involvement as we work together to shape the remaining experiences in the story of the Mass Effect trilogy.
Thanks for taking this journey with us.
Casey Hudson"

Its been a great ride, the best game series I have ever had the opportunity to be a part of and I do mean a part of. We all were Shepard and were constantly faced with critical decision points that determined friend/foe, who lived or died and what impacts were made on the LI based on our decisions. A totally awesome game that gave us the ability to shape it as it we played along. I sincerely hope that what you say has merit and truth to it Casey. I hope the Shepard saga has not ended nor do I hope you plan on a DLC that has the Normandy and crew in a crisis of sorts prior to the final conflict on Earth. Knowing the final ending would make the DLC anti-climatic.

I'm glad we're getting some closure coming in the summer, one of my biggest complaints...thanks for that and at least you're listening somewhat. Not being able to question/argue/debate with the Starchild and have some better or diversified endings was a total departure from all that was the franchise and left me thinking there had to be more, or what did I miss, etc.? I hope you and the team reflect a little from all that has been posted on your next adventure and I truly, truly hope you continue with futire ME franchises. Like I said, its been a great ride but just somewhat of a disappointing end.

[Shepard108278]

Just for laughs for thi=ose that don't like the ME 3 ending at least it's not like www.youtube.com/watch this.

[lovesnow]

goodbye bioware all we wanted was options to the ending,my friends feel the same we was craped on,we don't want explanations we want choice

[Wolf]

Shepard108278 wrote...

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

I respect that. However you have to admit that introducing characters at the last 10 minutes of the game that employ circular and flawed logic, while also bringing to the table a conflict which had been secondary to the main plot up to that point is not very good writing.

I get that you enjoyed it and I'm genuinely happy for you (not being patronising), I just don't feel any sort of enjoyment from it.

Maybe not changing, but at least adding an option to reject flawed logic and keep Shepard able to think for himself and not submitting to some old being because it says something will happen when (depending on your choices earlier on) you proved that it does not need to happen.

It ruins everything the series has been about after delivering a long, enjoyable and fullfiling experience with those last minutes leaving Shep looking like an schmuck.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 16 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[Brokusan]

Serpicos wrote...

I am cautiously optimistic.

AGREED, I didn't mind the ending, at least the perfect ending... All the other endings sucked though.... I can only hope bioware realizes this.

[Shepard108278]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

I respect that. However you have to admit that introducing characters at the last 10 minutes of the game that employ circular and flawed logic, while also bringing to the table a conflict which had been secondary to the main plot up to that point is not very good writing.

I get that you enjoyed it and I'm genuinely happy for you (not being patronising), I just don't feel any sort of enjoyment from it.

Maybe not changing, but at least adding an option to reject flawed logic and keep Shepard able to think for himself and not submitting to some old being because it says something will happen when (depending on your choices earlier on) you proved that it does not need to happen.

It ruins everything the series has been about after delivering a long, enjoyable and fullfiling experience with those last minutes leaving Shep looking like an schmuck.

Finally someone that doesn't attack me for liking the ending. Thanks.:happy:

[hunterday]

I feel so heart broken and sick... so much for Bioware listening to their fans.  So just as Bioware is not repairing the broken ending/s my faith that was shaken has now been BROKEN too.  I have now sadly traded in my pre-orded copy of Mass effect 3 and will most likely never consider buying another EA or Bioware game ever again.

I will try my best to remember the good things about the game which is mostly amazing and forget the riduculous and BROKEN ending/s they forced apon us.

You have lost yet another fan and customer Bioware... as is YOUR choice. 

[Mole267]

op:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

So what they're saying is, they're done with THIS arc of Mass Effect? and what comes next for Mass Effect will be something different? Multiplayer? Mass Effect was never about multiplayer, that's probably what caused them to compromise the ending of ME3 to begin with... having to devote manpower and resources to a multiplayer component, instead of solely on the singleplayer experience.

[DirtySki]

[/quote]So what they're saying is, they're done with THIS arc of Mass Effect? and what comes next for Mass Effect will be something different? Multiplayer? Mass Effect was never about multiplayer, that's probably what caused them to compromise the ending of ME3 to begin with... having to devote manpower and resources to a multiplayer component, instead of solely on the singleplayer experience.[/quote]

My friend you just hit the proverbial nail rite where it counts...
I personally like the multiplayer aspect but anyone who's played an hour of this series before the latest installment cannot honestly tell me the multiplayer didnt cut into the storyline/campaign. I would go so far as to say that I'd bet the poor slobs who physically made me3 are still sleep deprived months later after its release.
I too was disappointed by the ending but I can honestly say that I'm not sure there is an ending to this series I would be fully satisfied with. However there are quite a few endings I can rattle off the top of my head that make sense, unlike the one we have. I'm gonna go out on a limb & say that no amount of free dlc will explain the senseless. O & btw, free doesnt mean good, just so you know. I can go out on the corner tomorrow & give away FREE bags of dog**** & something tells me people wouldnt be pleased or satisfied.

[nporter1]

OlympusMons423 wrote...

I am playing my second time through, and there are so many wonderful moments in it still. I just can;t understand how you can write so well early and mid game and then screw up the ending so badly...I just can't get my head around it still.

This is exactly how I felt playing the second time thru but its so disheartening because I know that no matter what decisions I make or how many errands I run, in the end it won't make a damn bit of difference.