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[Icinix]

nporter1 wrote...

OlympusMons423 wrote...

I am playing my second time through, and there are so many wonderful moments in it still. I just can;t understand how you can write so well early and mid game and then screw up the ending so badly...I just can't get my head around it still.

This is exactly how I felt playing the second time thru but its so disheartening because I know that no matter what decisions I make or how many errands I run, in the end it won't make a damn bit of difference.

Yeah there is some great moments and so much of the game is of a good quality - it boggles the mind they can drop the ball when it matters most.

[OlympusMons423]

My hope is that they cover the basics for each choice. They show why we might want to pick a choice over the other, or some of the ones that feel like you;d be betraying everyone...such as synthisis.(damn can't spell that word)

But, I would really like to see this game end on a note that fits with it overall true strengths. This is with the remain crew on that garden planet. I want to hear them interact with each other about what had just happened. We could get at least 3 altered interaction, depending on what we had chosen. We might see the effects starting to take hold.

If there is a love interest who survived and was there, I would think any writer would be salivating to get at that. What would they say? How would Tali vs Liara act knowing Shepard was most likely gone now? They could again make the action with a destroy choice differ from those of a control choice. But if you chose to combine, what would they be physically sensing?

Say Tali were the love interest. With one choice she might be so sad she'd remove her mask. A chance again to reveal Tali right. But for drama one of the other crew may wrestle with her to cover herself, reminding her that Shepard would have wanted her to live.

Pick a different choice and Liara's message/beacon she had shown Shepard might come out. All the remaining crew might talk about things while watching that image of Shepard flickering like a flame. Tali re-acts different in this scene. Maybe is down but much more subdued. She hardly says a word and at a dramatic point, passes her hand over it, through it like a flame. We maybe don;t need more that that to know what must be happening to that face behind that mask. Maybe another crew member approaches her. If they suggested Tali was sobbing, and someone like Jarvik were there, we might get a blunt statement from hi like..."Is the quarian crying? He died well. Why should she cry?" at which point another of teh crew might go to her, or correct Jarvik. The central point is the race lean on each other. The Phoenix builds from the ashes.In a way we see some of what Shepard has done on a smaller universe level, the one that really only counted all along

I kind of though Liara might want to have Shepard child after all this. If again Tali were the main love interest, Liara might ask if it was ok with her. Tali would be too upset maybe by this, or might rather pathetically ask if Liara could take some from her, to combine it with this kid...(Tali could never have Shep child and might regret that more now) There lots of ways to turn a story out of some small scenes at the end....face to face, with some of the voice talent. I kind of loved that whole getting to know the crew about this game. I kind of don;t need every answer answered as long as I get something like this added.

Of course each crew would get some variety. each love interest would have their own slant to it. Its kind of late and I;m tired. hope you got the basic idea what I am talking about.... I hope they do this game right with this extended cut.

Modifié par OlympusMons423, 17 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[imnar]

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

[Menethra]

imnar wrote...

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

Michael Gamble said the other day " it's more than just cutscenes " but then again he's said alot of things.

[kalle90]

Menethra wrote...

imnar wrote...

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

Michael Gamble said the other day " it's more than just cutscenes " but then again he's said alot of things.

Yea the official statement says "additional cinematics AND epilogue scenes"

Yeah yeah do the Shepards!

[MeTaLx22793]

This could turn out SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad for them in many ways '_'

[Chronovision]

I planned to write a long letter to this topic my self, but... I can not find the words I want to say. On the one hand I am no native speaker, on the other hand all I want to say has already been said. So I just describe my experience I have the last days.

Few days ago I picked up the Mass Effect 1 Box and inserted it to my drive I came half way through the character creation and always it popped back into my eyes, what will happen with Shepard in about 138 play time, and I was unable to finish.

Further more I was discussing with my wife if we would play new DLC's and we were comiting to the opinion "with what point" play some more and still see Shepard betraying himself and the Galaxy and then dying.

Playing another Bioware title ended up in seeing the long letters loving fans wrote and the long posts and the response Bioware gave the last week. Gathering all this information at least from the momentary point of view it feels all wrong. What plenty of fans were missing was not "more closure" but "an ending that is Bioware, an ending that is Mass Effect" like we were experiencing the last two Episodes.

I am playing Bioware titles a long time and I spent hours, days and weeks even month with friends, family and also alone in front of several releases Baldurs Gate, Baldurs Gate 2, MDK2, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age: Origins, Knights of the Old Republic, DA: Awakening, all its DLC's, Dragon Age 2 and all its DLC and of course Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 with all released DLC so far.

All these games were giving me the feeling that Bioware is caring about proper story design, the theory of fun in game design and about me, the player, the fan in person. The recent reactions of Bioware/EA make me doubt that pretty much and show me, the long year employee in the games industries that Bioware is not that much different to the other games companies, to which - if a decision has to be made - mostly the fan does not count at all.

Bioware is not the first company to tell the fans "we care about you" and "your opinion is important to us" but it is the company it hurts most to feel, that the fans opionion doesn't matter. After all it is "just a game".

With all that said, I just can thank Bioware for 15 great years of gaming and thank you for the feelings a lot of these games caused. But for me it now means keep a good memory of the old times and keep watching and reading. Bioware has surprised me alot so, I do not turn the back on you, Bioware, I just stop walking the way with you, unless I see a sign of change.

So long, take care.
Chris aka. Chronovision

PS: Not walking with Bioware plain spoken means to me (and my wife) not to buy any new Bioware Game, any DLC and we think we might not be the only fans that feel that way.

Modifié par Chronovision, 17 avril 2012 - 09:48 .

[OlympusMons423]

In general I read what people say here and hope that BioWare doesn't really believe its own damage control, or what some of these IMO blindly ass-kissing magazine reviews are saying. Usually people like us get lumped up in one group, as just a bunch of cry babies who only want their way. Like listening to us is this "great danger" down the road. Personally I think the real danger is already here, and its got nothing to do with listening to us.

Anyways..I do think some of our numbers do maybe take it too far (as in any group), but way by far the majority carries itself well, and has general got BioWare long term best interest at heart. How could you read things like Chronovisions stuff and walk away thinking any different than that?

[venom56321489]

seems like bioware has just gotten slack lately or are just over ME3. Even their recent multiplayer dlc full of bugs.
Resurgence of errors: Mass Effect 3′s unfortunate DLC

http://www.vg247.com...nfortunate-dlc/

[DamonD7]

MeTaLx22793 wrote...

This could turn out SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad for them in many ways '_'

It could turn out really well, too.

Fingers crossed.

[zacgodbold]

kalle90 wrote...

Menethra wrote...

imnar wrote...

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

Michael Gamble said the other day " it's more than just cutscenes " but then again he's said alot of things.

Yea the official statement says "additional cinematics AND epilogue scenes"

Yeah yeah do the Shepards!

Yeah, these cutscenes are more than just cutscenes. They're... "cinematics and epilogue scenes." Whatever that means.

[TsubakiYayoi]

Menethra wrote...

imnar wrote...

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

Michael Gamble said the other day " it's more than just cutscenes " but then again he's said alot of things.

More than just cutscenes? Ehhhhm some screenshots with text maybe?
Remember the Epiloge from Dragon Age1?
Don´t get me wrong I liked the DA ending with the crowning ceremony, your able to talk to your Party again and that my Dalish char gets some land in Ferelden for her people. Perfect Ending for me. CLOSURE!!!

Modifié par TsubakiYayoi, 17 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[reeot]

Shepard108278 wrote...

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

Can't agree with you.

It doesn't matter if I hate the ending or you like it (for clarity: I don't simply dislike it. I hate it). This was never the case, as many people believe. They say that the Retakers just hate it because they don' t like they way it ends. This is not true. People are upset because the ending doesn't belongs to Mass Effect. If ME3 were the first game in this universe I would have no problems with it (execpt for the poor plot holes). But it's not.

There is already a lore and a back story with foreshadowing. You can't simply throw in a far-fetched conclusion to this story. This ending needs to be changed. Not for me and not because we wan't to bother you. No. Because Mass Effect deserves better. And as long-time Bioware fans we knew that they are capable.

Personally I would have liked the "Dark Energy" plot that they have trashed it in late 2011. Had anyone asked me if I want this ending? No, they changed it, for whatever reason. I don't know how familiar you are with the ME universe and it's hard to explain if you haven't played the prequels as much as I did. I just want that all people who like this ending understand our point of view. That this end needs to be fixed with something Mass Effect related. I also don't understand why you guys fight us so hard. What would be the problem if they change the ending?

Whatever... The current ending isn't just bad for a true Mass Effect fan. It's also bad in a writers perspective. But that is another story. If you got some spare time I recommend you this 2 videos:

Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Mass Effect 3 Ending
Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Additional Clarity and Closure

Modifié par reeot, 17 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[DownyTif]

TsubakiYayoi wrote...

Menethra wrote...

imnar wrote...

great more cinematics that don't allow you to make any "choices". the ending already provided static cinematics...can't wait for mass effect 4...press A to move to next scene...

Michael Gamble said the other day " it's more than just cutscenes " but then again he's said alot of things.

More than just cutscenes? Ehhhhm some screenshots with text maybe?
Remember the Epiloge from Dragon Age1?
Don´t get me wrong I liked the DA ending with the crowning ceremony, your able to talk to your Party again and that my Dalish char gets some land in Ferelden for her people. Perfect Ending for me. CLOSURE!!!

I so agree with you. DAO ending was just perfect. I remember thinking that I had wished ME1 ending would have been like that. I did not like the fact that after a great adventure, I was not able to see a small cutscene of Shep with the crew.

As for ME3, they have a lot to do to make this right. Finger crossed.

[DownyTif]

reeot wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

Can't agree with you.

It doesn't matter if I hate the ending or you like it (for clarity: I don't simply dislike it. I hate it). This was never the case, as many people believe. They say that the Retakers just hate it because they don' t like they way it ends. This is not true. People are upset because the ending doesn't belongs to Mass Effect. If ME3 were the first game in this universe I would have no problems with it (execpt for the poor plot holes). But it's not.

There is already a lore and a back story with foreshadowing. You can't simply throw in a far-fetched conclusion to this story. This ending needs to be changed. Not for me and not because we wan't to bother you. No. Because Mass Effect deserves better. And as long-time Bioware fans we knew that they are capable.

Personally I would have liked the "Dark Energy" plot that they have trashed it in late 2011. Had anyone asked me if I want this ending? No, they changed it, for whatever reason. I don't know how familiar you are with the ME universe and it's hard to explain if you haven't played the prequels as much as I did. I just want that all people who like this ending understand our point of view. That this end needs to be fixed with something Mass Effect related. I also don't understand why you guys fight us so hard. What would be the problem if they change the ending?

Whatever... The current ending isn't just bad for a true Mass Effect fan. It's also bad in a writers perspective. But that is another story. If you got some spare time I recommend you this 2 videos:

Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Mass Effect 3 Ending
Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Additional Clarity and Closure

Wow, the first video is gold. (haven't started the second one)

[Tarothe]

reeot wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

You may not like it but there are those that like the endings like me who disagree with you. IMO all that;s wrong with the endings is a few unanswered details and that;s it.

Can't agree with you.

It doesn't matter if I hate the ending or you like it (for clarity: I don't simply dislike it. I hate it). This was never the case, as many people believe. They say that the Retakers just hate it because they don' t like they way it ends. This is not true. People are upset because the ending doesn't belongs to Mass Effect. If ME3 were the first game in this universe I would have no problems with it (execpt for the poor plot holes). But it's not.

There is already a lore and a back story with foreshadowing. You can't simply throw in a far-fetched conclusion to this story. This ending needs to be changed. Not for me and not because we wan't to bother you. No. Because Mass Effect deserves better. And as long-time Bioware fans we knew that they are capable.

Personally I would have liked the "Dark Energy" plot that they have trashed it in late 2011. Had anyone asked me if I want this ending? No, they changed it, for whatever reason. I don't know how familiar you are with the ME universe and it's hard to explain if you haven't played the prequels as much as I did. I just want that all people who like this ending understand our point of view. That this end needs to be fixed with something Mass Effect related. I also don't understand why you guys fight us so hard. What would be the problem if they change the ending?

Whatever... The current ending isn't just bad for a true Mass Effect fan. It's also bad in a writers perspective. But that is another story. If you got some spare time I recommend you this 2 videos:

Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Mass Effect 3 Ending
Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Additional Clarity and Closure

I'd like to back up reeot on that one. It's not really the lack of quality of the Endings or the choices Shepard is offered at the end, though it's hard not to notice that 3 almost identical endings with different color coding seem a bit lazy to me, but the real issue is that ME, since it's first  installment promised a game where your choices matter and have consequences/results. And up to the very ending of the last game it kept on giving us exactly that - what you did in ME1 had it's consequences in ME2 and in ME3, ME2 had its consequences in ME3, what u did in ME3 had even more consequences in your overall Galactic Readiness - it kept on leading you down the promised path until the very ending where none of your previous choices really mattered, and yes, you were given a choice in what to do with the Reaper threat, but it was completely detached from what happened from the first game up to the few seconds before the meeting with the Starchild. 
What happens to Shepard changes nothing about the fact, that the promise of a "Vastly different endings" that conclude the trilogy will be based on the past variables you, as a player, established with the choices you made was not fulfilled. Sure it would be awesome to learn what actually happened to the galaxy and your team and all that army you've gathered, even epilogue-pictures-DaO-style, but the point of unrealized promise still stands. It would be enough to put 2 NPCS before the Ending of ME3 who would in short dialogue explained to you what Reapers are, what geths are and their conflict with quarian is and technically you'd be as equipped to deal with those 3 choices at the end as I am after finishing all 3 games.
My additional knowledge of Geths and Quarians  does nothing to me, if you can't even argue with you know who.
And personally I perceive Krogans to be a much bigger threat.  
So yeah, you can make the choice without actually playing the game, but only with few lines to read about the lore, and your choice will be as valid as mine.
(Edit, sorry had to change the post to keep it relatively spoiler free)

Modifié par Tarothe, 17 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[AlanC9]

Tarothe wrote...
And up to the very ending of the last game it kept on giving us exactly that - what you did in ME1 had it's consequences in ME2 and in ME3, ME2 had its consequences in ME3, what u did in ME3 had even more consequences in your overall Galactic Readiness - it kept on leading you down the promised path until the very ending where none of your previous choices really mattered, and yes, you were given a choice in what to do with the Reaper threat, but it was completely detached from what happened from the first game up to the few seconds before the meeting with the Starchild.

Well, except to the extent that you don't get all the choices if your EMS is inadequate. And of course, all the consequences from all the previous choices are still real. Whatever you did with the quariansor on Tuchanka is still the case.

I'm not quite clear what you wanted  -- expected? -- to happen in the very last minutes. But on a non-spoiler board I suppose we can't discuss it.

 It would be enough to put 2 NPCS before the Ending of ME3 who would in short dialogue explained to you what Reapers are, what geths are and their conflict with quarian is and technically you'd be as equipped to deal with those 3 choices at the end as I am after finishing all 3 games.

Sure. What's the alternative? Make the game unplayable for folks who didn't play ME2? You obviously don't mean that, so what do you mean? Anyway, it's not like playing the earlier games really tells you anything important that you couldn't get from a couple of short dialogs.

And personally I perceive Krogans to be a much bigger threat.  

Well, a Shepard who believes that does have an option...

[kernermalkavian]

You will do nothing with this.
Im angry with Bioware. It dissapointed me, i thought of buying at first (i mean ME3) but after i read the first critic about the endings, the face import and else, i made up my mind and decided not to buy it. Why? because i was expecting a real RPG game, cannon to the previous two games, Bioware was starting to buy me after the dissapointment of NWN 1, i know that i will never play a game as Planescape Torment, Baldurs GAte, Fallout 2 etc, but after DAO1 and ME1 and ME2 i was relatively happy with bioware`s job, i hoped that this trilogy wiould had an ending like the games of the past, but not. It turned to finish as a neo-rpg-fps game, lineal, with the romance dreams broken. Youll have to do it better Bioware to fix this, because i , as a gamer, im dissapointed. And i want answer for this.

Things i would love to change , for whaat i seen on the gameplay of some friends that purchased the game:
- A quarian is not a Human, i think it looks like the aliens on that water planet in star wars episode 2 where the clons were created. You can figure it by tali`s eyes colour etc.
- There`s someone in ME3 that should live without the condition of having a romance with her/him in previous games. Its very sad. More options please.
- Why i cannot  romance with Garrus, or with Vega with a Female Shephard?
-  Import your own shepard face, (i want to play with my own ugly shepard please)
- More hours of game!
- more side quest!
More decisions!

Modifié par kernermalkavian, 17 avril 2012 - 08:03 .

[kernermalkavian]

Things i would love to change , for whaat i seen on the gameplay of some friends that purchased the game:
- A quarian is not a Human, i think it looks like the aliens on that water planet in star wars episode 2 where the clons were created. You can figure it by tali`s eyes colour etc.
- There`s someone in ME3 that should live without the condition of having a romance with her/him in previous games. Its very sad. More options please.
- Why i cannot romance with Garrus, or with Vega with a Female Shephard?
- Import your own shepard face, (i want to play with my own ugly shepard please)
- More hours of game!
- more side quest!
More decisions!

[kernermalkavian]

Things i would love to change , for whaat i seen on the gameplay of some friends that purchased the game:
- A quarian is not a Human, i think it looks like the aliens on that water planet in star wars episode 2 where the clons were created. You can figure it by tali`s eyes colour etc.
- There`s someone in ME3 that should live without the condition of having a romance with her/him in previous games. Its very sad. More options please.
- Why i cannot romance with Garrus, or with Vega with a Female Shephard?
- Import your own shepard face, (i want to play with my own ugly shepard please)
- More hours of game!
- more side quest!
More decisions!

[kernermalkavian]

Things i would love to change , for whaat i seen on the gameplay of some friends that purchased the game:
- A quarian is not a Human, i think it looks like the aliens on that water planet in star wars episode 2 where the clons were created. You can figure it by tali`s eyes colour etc.
- There`s someone in ME3 that should live without the condition of having a romance with her/him in previous games. Its very sad. More options please.
- Why i cannot  romance with Garrus, or with Vega with a Female Shephard?
-  Import your own shepard face, (i want to play with my own ugly shepard please)
- More hours of game!
- more side quest!
More decisions!

[lovesnow]

artistic ending my foot.its awful

[BloodyFleelancer]

Soo we are getting an DLC whitch will restore the screwd endigs , I sorry but BW are you fu*king kidding me , god I crazy about this , I would have payed creds for indoc theory but I wont pay a cent for DLC witch will explain this bullsh*t endings and will make it a less bullSh*t . No way I better not buy this beacause I will be still screwd

[Robert Monk]

I have only one thing left to add. You have lost a customer in me. I cannot abide your artistic integrity, ruining, the integrity of your artists. Because thats what your ending did.

I will not buy a bioware product anymore.

This is how piracy of games got started you know... customers feeling violated, with no option for retribution.

I cannot fathom how you can fail this horrible, and attempt to take the high ground by claiming integrity.
Claiming your integrity will not allow you to fix something that near everyone that came in contact with it, claims is ruined, is just .... beyond words.

There is no faith left in me for you, you have taken my money, and ruined the series for me, well done. I will never trust you again.

[cisco0623]

I have played every mass effect game with great enthusiasm and I consider them the best games/ game universe ever. 
That being said I am commenting because I cannot believe how bad the ending was. If you take a step back from all three games the ending doesn't feel like Mass Effect at all.  ME3 was very linear with dull side missions that didn't seem to make a difference to the end goal compared to ME2.  Overall I was still happy, but damn did you guys run out of funding when you hit the last chapter?
The only thing that makes sense with all of the unanswered plot holes and lame/vague ending is BioWare had DLC as a goal from the get go and/or a ME4 WITH Shepherd in it  I almost see no way around this debacle unless the extended cut fills in most relevant plot holes and also eludes to a ME4 (with that IT making sense), which "passionate" fans will love, if you stick to the principals of ME1 and 2. 
 I can't believe I am even commenting on it, but its that lame. If it isn't broken, don't fix it! I think BioWare outthought themselves on ME3. 

Please surprise us with DLC that says, yeah we sorta jipped you guys on ME3, but thats because we wanted to make ME4. (obviously for profit, but also because the ME universe has so much depth you can do it)