Please Bioware if you are truly not going to edit the end of the game and are simply adding more context then take the indoctrination theory into account. It is the only way the resloution of this game can make even the slightest bit of sense.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 01:07
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.....Shepard is not indocturnated... They tell you this in the game TWICE you all hneed to get out of the tinfoil hats and actually listen when playing the game.IamShepardsinflamedsenseofBetrayal wrote...
Please Bioware if you are truly not going to edit the end of the game and are simply adding more context then take the indoctrination theory into account. It is the only way the resloution of this game can make even the slightest bit of sense.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:38
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"its free so its ok" seems to be the atitude a lot of people have, but people dont understand if its not what u want, and if it still sucks, y waste your time downloading it? Thats like accepting free crap..but "its free so its ok" :/
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:53
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Mass Effect? More like Mass Defect!!
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:54
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Oh Yes Bioware, your so called "Artistic View" of
this ending is a blatant slap in the face of the loyal fan to this fantastic
game series. Yes, the entire series was completely epic and I loved every
single minute of gameplay, the characters, the story, the action!!!
HOWEVER...If it's artistic to create a 10 minute sum up ending (to a story that
consisted of countless hours of gameplay), virtually devoid of narrative
coherency, goes completely against the Shepard character, provides relatively
no choice for the player which is what the entire series was founded on, all
endings are pretty much the same except for a different color scheme, and not
to mention the enormous amount of plot holes; then you have greatly alienated
your fan base and you don't know us at all. Your fans keep you in
business and though you may be proud of this ending, the fans are not and we
felt cheated. So many fans were expecting multiple endings and different
outcomes based on the decisions they made from game 1. Heck you promised
this and failed to deliver. This ending basically said screw all
that. Your decisions don't matter. Here are your choices and deal
with it. Sloppy and lazy...and that's putting it nicely. Your
credibility has taken a huge hit. This Extended Cut DLC?, I don't
have very high hopes for it since you only plan on expanding on a crap ending
and I doubt it will improve fan relations unless you pull off some
miracle. FYI, any paid DLC you come out with in the future will not be
bought by me if you fail to deliver again. Why? Well since the
decisions and things I do in the game don't matter anyway there is no
point in buying new content.
Think hard about what your doing. It should be obvious what the fans were
looking for to begin with. It's bogus to claim you couldn't know there
would be such a high demand for more content. We want closure to the
story we've poured so much time and attention into not summed up in: Pick
your cut scene - Red, Blue or Green. We want the multiple endings you
promised. Sure throw in some endings where Reapers win, "oops, we
made bad choices". Total domination scenes, worlds being destroyed
and races being obliterated with an end shot of the simplest life forms
surviving, ready to begin the cycle all over again. And some endings
where Shepard wins and Reapers are destroyed, "Yeah, we kicked Reaper
ass!!" Alien races returning to their homeworlds. Shepard and
his/her love interest embracing passionately. Celebrations and races
settling down in peace with each other. Honestly, if the best artistic
vision for this game is summed up in Red, Blue, Green; then I'm sorry but I've
lost all faith in your ability to create a masterpiece gaming series in the
future. You may stand by this ending, but the consumer writes your paycheck.
Without a happy fan base, you don't sell your games. Think about
that. Have some integrity and admit that ending was total garbage.
Expanding on crap only creates more crap. Here's a business tip, “The
customer is always right”. And seeing has how a huge majority of us see
that Bioware messed up. I would venture to say we're right. Pride
and Ego will be your downfall if you're not careful. Please reconsider
this ending. There is still time. You have been warned.
this ending is a blatant slap in the face of the loyal fan to this fantastic
game series. Yes, the entire series was completely epic and I loved every
single minute of gameplay, the characters, the story, the action!!!
HOWEVER...If it's artistic to create a 10 minute sum up ending (to a story that
consisted of countless hours of gameplay), virtually devoid of narrative
coherency, goes completely against the Shepard character, provides relatively
no choice for the player which is what the entire series was founded on, all
endings are pretty much the same except for a different color scheme, and not
to mention the enormous amount of plot holes; then you have greatly alienated
your fan base and you don't know us at all. Your fans keep you in
business and though you may be proud of this ending, the fans are not and we
felt cheated. So many fans were expecting multiple endings and different
outcomes based on the decisions they made from game 1. Heck you promised
this and failed to deliver. This ending basically said screw all
that. Your decisions don't matter. Here are your choices and deal
with it. Sloppy and lazy...and that's putting it nicely. Your
credibility has taken a huge hit. This Extended Cut DLC?, I don't
have very high hopes for it since you only plan on expanding on a crap ending
and I doubt it will improve fan relations unless you pull off some
miracle. FYI, any paid DLC you come out with in the future will not be
bought by me if you fail to deliver again. Why? Well since the
decisions and things I do in the game don't matter anyway there is no
point in buying new content.
Think hard about what your doing. It should be obvious what the fans were
looking for to begin with. It's bogus to claim you couldn't know there
would be such a high demand for more content. We want closure to the
story we've poured so much time and attention into not summed up in: Pick
your cut scene - Red, Blue or Green. We want the multiple endings you
promised. Sure throw in some endings where Reapers win, "oops, we
made bad choices". Total domination scenes, worlds being destroyed
and races being obliterated with an end shot of the simplest life forms
surviving, ready to begin the cycle all over again. And some endings
where Shepard wins and Reapers are destroyed, "Yeah, we kicked Reaper
ass!!" Alien races returning to their homeworlds. Shepard and
his/her love interest embracing passionately. Celebrations and races
settling down in peace with each other. Honestly, if the best artistic
vision for this game is summed up in Red, Blue, Green; then I'm sorry but I've
lost all faith in your ability to create a masterpiece gaming series in the
future. You may stand by this ending, but the consumer writes your paycheck.
Without a happy fan base, you don't sell your games. Think about
that. Have some integrity and admit that ending was total garbage.
Expanding on crap only creates more crap. Here's a business tip, “The
customer is always right”. And seeing has how a huge majority of us see
that Bioware messed up. I would venture to say we're right. Pride
and Ego will be your downfall if you're not careful. Please reconsider
this ending. There is still time. You have been warned.
#2906
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:56
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Poleaxe wrote...
I don't think anyone is taking a negative view of art here. It's just that the very idea of corporate art is silly. I mean are all BW employees artists? The PR people, the accountants, the web guy? Can I not complain about forum functionality because I'm stepping on someone's artistic vision?
If big organizations can't make art, then there's no such thing as film art, or TV art.... and I'm not so sure about theater.
Which doesn't mean that everyone in the big organization is making the art, of course. I think we can tell the difference between an accountant and a level designer.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 03:59
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Bioware stands by their Artistic Vision, and they have a right to do so. The entire series was very Artisic and masterfully built. BUT AGAIN...if they're going to claim that they stand by that ending and call it "Artistic", then they just ruined everything they created. If this DLC doesn't include what the fan base wants, it just shows they don't give a damn about us and even though they say they would listen to our feedback, they lied to us already about the multiple endings and content that was suppossed to be in them. I wouldn't put it past them to blow it again. Let em shoot themselves in the foot. I won't buy their stuff anymore. That's business. You treat your customers like crap, we'll go buy elsewhere.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 04:31
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Dark Cider wrote...
While I disagree with your choice, it's yours to make. How I spend or support you further on, is mine to make though, and I feel I will not be supporting your future endeavors based on this decision. I'll reserve final judgement on whether or not I buy from you again after I see this extended cut, but if I feel what happens after the choice of control/synthesis/destroy doesn't live up to my expectations, you can consider this my goodbye to you and your parent company EA.
Best of luck!
Agreed
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 06:28
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From now on, I am going to wait until after the game comes out, and see what the fans think of the game, and what the ending is like before i buy a BW game. They used to know how to make good logical story line, but this ending shows that they have lost that ability.
I have enjoyed most of the game, especially the Turian & Krogan home worlds quests. But the ending is the worst ending I have ever seen, and I don't think BW's expanded ending explaining their Artistic ending will fix things & satisfy their customers/fans. If u have to explain a game's ending, then u have failed.
I have enjoyed most of the game, especially the Turian & Krogan home worlds quests. But the ending is the worst ending I have ever seen, and I don't think BW's expanded ending explaining their Artistic ending will fix things & satisfy their customers/fans. If u have to explain a game's ending, then u have failed.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:28
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Are YOU a customer? I find it hard to believe seing as you only registered recently and have no games registered on your acount. This would make sense if your real account was closed for some reason or if you only played the game but did not buy it.mwags85 wrote...
Bioware stands by their Artistic Vision, and they have a right to do so. The entire series was very Artisic and masterfully built. BUT AGAIN...if they're going to claim that they stand by that ending and call it "Artistic", then they just ruined everything they created. If this DLC doesn't include what the fan base wants, it just shows they don't give a damn about us and even though they say they would listen to our feedback, they lied to us already about the multiple endings and content that was suppossed to be in them. I wouldn't put it past them to blow it again. Let em shoot themselves in the foot. I won't buy their stuff anymore. That's business. You treat your customers like crap, we'll go buy elsewhere.
So what is it?
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:54
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Whay the hell you must register it ?i didint register it to. I did this right, now just to shut that argument from people like you
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:02
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Whay the hell you must register it ?i didint register it to. I did this right, now just to shut that argument from people like you
Um...the two game logo's under your avatar contridicts your statement.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 09:37
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no its not. until todey i had just one logo ...
#2914
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 11:07
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Breakdown Boy wrote...
Are YOU a customer? I find it hard to believe seing as you only registered recently and have no games registered on your acount. This would make sense if your real account was closed for some reason or if you only played the game but did not buy it.mwags85 wrote...
Bioware stands by their Artistic Vision, and they have a right to do so. The entire series was very Artisic and masterfully built. BUT AGAIN...if they're going to claim that they stand by that ending and call it "Artistic", then they just ruined everything they created. If this DLC doesn't include what the fan base wants, it just shows they don't give a damn about us and even though they say they would listen to our feedback, they lied to us already about the multiple endings and content that was suppossed to be in them. I wouldn't put it past them to blow it again. Let em shoot themselves in the foot. I won't buy their stuff anymore. That's business. You treat your customers like crap, we'll go buy elsewhere.
So what is it?
You realize there are different causes for people using accounts without linked games despite having played the games legitemately, right?
From what it looks like to me, you couldn't handle what he wrote, so instead of commenting it, you made a random baseless attack on the person posting instead.
#2915
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 11:55
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It's not about common sense. It's about knowing the lore, which you apparently don't.
AlanC9 wrote:
''They wouldn't be the same individuals. They'd be nearly identical duplicates. If someone kills me and then constructs a dupilcate me I'm still dead, even though the duplicate me would think he's AlanC9 and most everyone here wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Though this would mean that Shepard would merely be committing mass murder, rather than genocide.''
Raonar's idea is actually correct. It would not be duplicates. Geth are programs. Each geth individual is a program, in permanent conection with the others. But a program. As we see in ME3 they have hub servers where they live digitaly, outside the real world, and according to Legion that's where they rather be. So, making a giant hub server for them and have them all downloaded there actually makes sense and is true to the established lore.
''Anyway, Bio's writers don't seem to have anticipated that fans would have thought that was happening. There was a Patrick Weekes interview kicking around where he seems surprised that people would think using the Crucuble to blow up the relays would destroy the systems. I was kind of surprised people were interpreting it that way myself.''
I don't undestand the surprise. You actually explain the reason people tought the relays would blow the entire systems. The arrival DLC. So, if in ME2 you blow a Mass Relay and it destroys the entire system, killing an entire batarian colony in the process, being that one of the main reasons why you are relieved of active duty and start the game on earth, it's obvious anyone who played it would remember it when the final decision came.
AlanC9 wrote:
''They wouldn't be the same individuals. They'd be nearly identical duplicates. If someone kills me and then constructs a dupilcate me I'm still dead, even though the duplicate me would think he's AlanC9 and most everyone here wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Though this would mean that Shepard would merely be committing mass murder, rather than genocide.''
Raonar's idea is actually correct. It would not be duplicates. Geth are programs. Each geth individual is a program, in permanent conection with the others. But a program. As we see in ME3 they have hub servers where they live digitaly, outside the real world, and according to Legion that's where they rather be. So, making a giant hub server for them and have them all downloaded there actually makes sense and is true to the established lore.
''Anyway, Bio's writers don't seem to have anticipated that fans would have thought that was happening. There was a Patrick Weekes interview kicking around where he seems surprised that people would think using the Crucuble to blow up the relays would destroy the systems. I was kind of surprised people were interpreting it that way myself.''
I don't undestand the surprise. You actually explain the reason people tought the relays would blow the entire systems. The arrival DLC. So, if in ME2 you blow a Mass Relay and it destroys the entire system, killing an entire batarian colony in the process, being that one of the main reasons why you are relieved of active duty and start the game on earth, it's obvious anyone who played it would remember it when the final decision came.
Modifié par TigusVidiks, 23 avril 2012 - 11:56 .
#2916
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:01
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.....Shepard is not indocturnated... They tell you this in the game TWICE you all hneed to get out of the tinfoil hats and actually listen when playing the game....Thanotos144
Maybe its true, but I love how one or two lines explains everything is not true, yet we can step around all those black-hole sized plot holes. While I'm in my tinfoil hat, could some one point me to one or two line of dialogue buried somewhere in the story as 100% proof of something, that an also explain that ending better to me? Can someone explain my sudden change of clothing from the battle scenes on earth, to me wearing my casuals with the starchild? I left those cloths on the Normandy. That is dialogue to, even though its not in the form of words. Either that or its a real mind gap in the logic.
Again not that the IT is on the table, how can I say for sure? There does seem to be something though. Even if there are one or two lines, there are also visual clues that suggest other wise. I don't think its a matter of me having a tin-foil hat on. Nobody can say for sure either way. But it might be way too inventive for BioWare or EA to have used as a strategy.
Maybe its true, but I love how one or two lines explains everything is not true, yet we can step around all those black-hole sized plot holes. While I'm in my tinfoil hat, could some one point me to one or two line of dialogue buried somewhere in the story as 100% proof of something, that an also explain that ending better to me? Can someone explain my sudden change of clothing from the battle scenes on earth, to me wearing my casuals with the starchild? I left those cloths on the Normandy. That is dialogue to, even though its not in the form of words. Either that or its a real mind gap in the logic.
Again not that the IT is on the table, how can I say for sure? There does seem to be something though. Even if there are one or two lines, there are also visual clues that suggest other wise. I don't think its a matter of me having a tin-foil hat on. Nobody can say for sure either way. But it might be way too inventive for BioWare or EA to have used as a strategy.
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 12:28
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Breakdown Boy wrote...
Are YOU a customer? I find it hard to believe seing as you only registered recently and have no games registered on your acount. This would make sense if your real account was closed for some reason or if you only played the game but did not buy it.mwags85 wrote...
Bioware stands by their Artistic Vision, and they have a right to do so. The entire series was very Artisic and masterfully built. BUT AGAIN...if they're going to claim that they stand by that ending and call it "Artistic", then they just ruined everything they created. If this DLC doesn't include what the fan base wants, it just shows they don't give a damn about us and even though they say they would listen to our feedback, they lied to us already about the multiple endings and content that was suppossed to be in them. I wouldn't put it past them to blow it again. Let em shoot themselves in the foot. I won't buy their stuff anymore. That's business. You treat your customers like crap, we'll go buy elsewhere.
So what is it?
Yes, I am a customer. I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age, and all 3 Mass Effect games. I got on the site soon after ME3 came out. I'm not really big on posting to forums but with an ending like that I thought I should voice my opinion.
#2918
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 01:30
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Having played through Mass Effect 3 a couple of times now I just cannot for the life of me see how releasing an "Extended" cut of scenes can undo the damage that the story of Mass Effect 3 has done to the Mass Effect universe.
Besides isn't doing this saying that there is a problem story but they’re not going to fix it, so there.
Besides isn't doing this saying that there is a problem story but they’re not going to fix it, so there.
#2919
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 01:57
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I've written a lengthy article over on my blog about my own suggestions for the Mass Effect ending, some of them serious and some quite silly. It'd be great to get some opinions!
What Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut Should and Shouldn't Include
What Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut Should and Shouldn't Include
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 05:57
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If found an interesting article today about a blog from Dead Space's story producer Chuck Beaver.
In an interview for EA's "Breaking Into the Industry" series, Beaver said Gears of War "contains atrocious, offensive violations of story basics. Yet it doesn't seem to ruin it for many, many people. It's literally the worst writing in games, but seems to have no ill effects."
Is it just me or is introducing star child in the last 10 minutes of the game an offensive violation of story basics?
Source: http://games.ign.com.../1223471p1.html
Edit: Which is why we need an ending not related to star child's choices.
In an interview for EA's "Breaking Into the Industry" series, Beaver said Gears of War "contains atrocious, offensive violations of story basics. Yet it doesn't seem to ruin it for many, many people. It's literally the worst writing in games, but seems to have no ill effects."
Is it just me or is introducing star child in the last 10 minutes of the game an offensive violation of story basics?
Source: http://games.ign.com.../1223471p1.html
Edit: Which is why we need an ending not related to star child's choices.
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SalsaDMA wrote...
Breakdown Boy wrote...
Are YOU a customer? I find it hard to believe seing as you only registered recently and have no games registered on your acount. This would make sense if your real account was closed for some reason or if you only played the game but did not buy it.mwags85 wrote...
Bioware stands by their Artistic Vision, and they have a right to do so. The entire series was very Artisic and masterfully built. BUT AGAIN...if they're going to claim that they stand by that ending and call it "Artistic", then they just ruined everything they created. If this DLC doesn't include what the fan base wants, it just shows they don't give a damn about us and even though they say they would listen to our feedback, they lied to us already about the multiple endings and content that was suppossed to be in them. I wouldn't put it past them to blow it again. Let em shoot themselves in the foot. I won't buy their stuff anymore. That's business. You treat your customers like crap, we'll go buy elsewhere.
So what is it?
You realize there are different causes for people using accounts without linked games despite having played the games legitemately, right?
From what it looks like to me, you couldn't handle what he wrote, so instead of commenting it, you made a random baseless attack on the person posting instead.
+1 to Salsa!
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 07:11
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Even before finish ME3 I was reading some comments about not completely satisfactory game ending in so many forums. But finally when i got finished game, really I loved it, this is the best game I ever played and i have played so much 
But avoiding spoilers and after analizing the game ending im now not completely sure this is the end... Maybe we will see a Mass Effect 4?? Or instead of this new games inspired in the Mass Effect Universe? I think so and will be happy if that day comes!! Best history I never played, An history wich wake up on me emotions any game never gave me and I suposse happens the same with every guy that played it!
But avoiding spoilers and after analizing the game ending im now not completely sure this is the end... Maybe we will see a Mass Effect 4?? Or instead of this new games inspired in the Mass Effect Universe? I think so and will be happy if that day comes!! Best history I never played, An history wich wake up on me emotions any game never gave me and I suposse happens the same with every guy that played it!
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 07:20
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#2924
Posté 23 avril 2012 - 07:38
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Dwamlli wrote...
Even before finish ME3 I was reading some comments about not completely satisfactory game ending in so many forums. But finally when i got finished game, really I loved it, this is the best game I ever played and i have played so much
But avoiding spoilers and after analizing the game ending im now not completely sure this is the end... Maybe we will see a Mass Effect 4?? Or instead of this new games inspired in the Mass Effect Universe? I think so and will be happy if that day comes!! Best history I never played, An history wich wake up on me emotions any game never gave me and I suposse happens the same with every guy that played it!
You clearly have never played Deus Ex or a hundred other games that did that same thing except didn't go stupid in the last 10 minutes
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Posté 23 avril 2012 - 08:09
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[quote]TigusVidiks wrote...
Raonar's idea is actually correct. It would not be duplicates. Geth are programs. Each geth individual is a program, in permanent conection with the others. But a program. As we see in ME3 they have hub servers where they live digitaly, outside the real world, and according to Legion that's where they rather be. So, making a giant hub server for them and have them all downloaded there actually makes sense and is true to the established lore. [/quote]
So the geth are completely different from the kind of AIs the Citadel races create -- which are individual and can't be duplicated? It's.... conceivable.
But if what you're saying is true, then how can Legion die?
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I don't undestand the surprise. You actually explain the reason people tought the relays would blow the entire systems. The arrival DLC. So, if in ME2 you blow a Mass Relay and it destroys the entire system, killing an entire batarian colony in the process, being that one of the main reasons why you are relieved of active duty and start the game on earth, it's obvious anyone who played it would remember it when the final decision came.[/quote]
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Crashing an asteroid into a relay produces effect A. Using the Crucible on a relay produces effects X, Y, or Z.
We already know that effect A is different from effects X, Y, and Z, which emit a whole bunch of energy to do things that just don't happen with effect A. Even if effects A, X, Y, and Z all destroy the relay, why does it follow that the explosion is of the same magnitude in all four conditions?
When the bomb falls into the pit on Tuchanka, it explodes, but it doesn't detonate.
Raonar's idea is actually correct. It would not be duplicates. Geth are programs. Each geth individual is a program, in permanent conection with the others. But a program. As we see in ME3 they have hub servers where they live digitaly, outside the real world, and according to Legion that's where they rather be. So, making a giant hub server for them and have them all downloaded there actually makes sense and is true to the established lore. [/quote]
So the geth are completely different from the kind of AIs the Citadel races create -- which are individual and can't be duplicated? It's.... conceivable.
But if what you're saying is true, then how can Legion die?
[quote]
I don't undestand the surprise. You actually explain the reason people tought the relays would blow the entire systems. The arrival DLC. So, if in ME2 you blow a Mass Relay and it destroys the entire system, killing an entire batarian colony in the process, being that one of the main reasons why you are relieved of active duty and start the game on earth, it's obvious anyone who played it would remember it when the final decision came.[/quote]
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Crashing an asteroid into a relay produces effect A. Using the Crucible on a relay produces effects X, Y, or Z.
We already know that effect A is different from effects X, Y, and Z, which emit a whole bunch of energy to do things that just don't happen with effect A. Even if effects A, X, Y, and Z all destroy the relay, why does it follow that the explosion is of the same magnitude in all four conditions?
When the bomb falls into the pit on Tuchanka, it explodes, but it doesn't detonate.
