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[v0oZ]

just to clear this. will there be a difference between a ems 2000 shepard scene and a 5000 ems scene? I mean in the second one he survives. in the first one we don't know.

[Kushan101]

"Artistic vision". This must be some sort of joke, a certain squadmate/LI's reveal? the final image being that of a screen saver? ("alien winter"). That is not art. Its lazyness.

I used to really support BioWare, not anymore, you guys need to get off your high horse and look at the user score for ME3 on metacritic. Any platform will do, PC; Xbox; PS3 - all are as damning. There is a reason for all this negativity.

The "ending" needs changing. No amount of explanation will make it any better.

Modifié par Kushan101, 25 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[BronD69]

Totally agree Kush

[SalsaDMA]

Aeschylus08 wrote...

It wasn't an ending... it was a one night stand that left you with alot of questions and no taxi fare...

Most notably: "Why did I bother with it?"

[Thanatos144]

SalsaDMA wrote...

starscreamerx31 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

you guys need to grow up. This is the story. Ether deal with it or not but crying about it and demanding they do as YOU say isn't helping.

no offense but whatttttttt i take it you dont mind being lied to? If only more people like you existed so corporations could rule the world even more so than they already do. Seriously though wow. Haaaaaa

It's thanatos. Just ignore him. He likes to make these kind of flamebaiting posts where he tries to make faint insults towards people that are unsatisfied with the stuff Bioware did.

It couldn't possibly be because I dont fall into the same line as all of
you now can it? I mean i must be a troll if I dont think just like all
12 of you right? People who were unhappy posted it and then went on their way....But there are a very few rage monsters who are just here
for the drama. At a certain point you have to move on and get a life.

[Izana]

I can see how BioWare is not what it used to be, but I also see how low the fans have fallen.

[lovesnow]

goodbye bioware no more for me,its a shame money talks ,not fans

[AlanC9]

AGGELLOS wrote...
What we got was mediocrity, i loved ME1 and ME2 for me and many others ME3 is a lesser brother in a fine family line i will give you ME3’s ending is unique but in its failure, why a developer would suddenly switch from a winning formula to such old and over used dukebox ending is beyond belief.

What's a "dukebox"?

[CAlNlAC]

So I have an idea I think BW could add to the EC. If someone thought of this idea already I apologize.
So if BW sticks with its plan for the EC which is to only add new clarity/closure to the games ending and not adding new endings, which seems likely. I thought of a way they could add at least one new ending that wouldn't take more then adding a few cutscenes to the game -which the EC is doing anyway adding new cutscenes- and no new dialogue would be needed either.
The ending I'm talking about is when you get to the point of the ending where you get to pick your favorite color if you just stand around too long you get a gameover screen where by I guess the Reapers win and nothing is left to stop them from harvesting this cycle as normal. Why not add onto that and make it a full ending? They could show some cool cutscenes of the Reapers harvesting planets and end it off by showing an alien race from the next cycle finding that datapad thing Liara made. I think that would be cool. Thoughts?

[SalsaDMA]

Thanatos144 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

starscreamerx31 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

you guys need to grow up. This is the story. Ether deal with it or not but crying about it and demanding they do as YOU say isn't helping.

no offense but whatttttttt i take it you dont mind being lied to? If only more people like you existed so corporations could rule the world even more so than they already do. Seriously though wow. Haaaaaa

It's thanatos. Just ignore him. He likes to make these kind of flamebaiting posts where he tries to make faint insults towards people that are unsatisfied with the stuff Bioware did.

It couldn't possibly be because I dont fall into the same line as all of
you now can it? I mean i must be a troll if I dont think just like all
12 of you right? People who were unhappy posted it and then went on their way....But there are a very few rage monsters who are just here
for the drama. At a certain point you have to move on and get a life.

Narh. More the fact that you usually just charge into the nearest post that sounds vaguely negative and starts insulting people.

But keep on trying to convince no-one that isn't what you do if it makes you feel better. (yes, that was a jest hinted towards how easy it is to spot what you are doing)

[Thanatos144]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

starscreamerx31 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

you guys need to grow up. This is the story. Ether deal with it or not but crying about it and demanding they do as YOU say isn't helping.

no offense but whatttttttt i take it you dont mind being lied to? If only more people like you existed so corporations could rule the world even more so than they already do. Seriously though wow. Haaaaaa

It's thanatos. Just ignore him. He likes to make these kind of flamebaiting posts where he tries to make faint insults towards people that are unsatisfied with the stuff Bioware did.

It couldn't possibly be because I dont fall into the same line as all of
you now can it? I mean i must be a troll if I dont think just like all
12 of you right? People who were unhappy posted it and then went on their way....But there are a very few rage monsters who are just here
for the drama. At a certain point you have to move on and get a life.

Narh. More the fact that you usually just charge into the nearest post that sounds vaguely negative and starts insulting people.

But keep on trying to convince no-one that isn't what you do if it makes you feel better. (yes, that was a jest hinted towards how easy it is to spot what you are doing)

 It isnt insulting to speak the truth.

[SalsaDMA]

Thanatos144 wrote...

It isnt insulting to speak the truth.

You have a strange notion of what "the truth" is. Especially when your version strictly consists of various insulting terms.

[Poleaxe]

AlanC9 wrote...

Poleaxe wrote...
I don't think anyone is taking a negative view of art here. It's just that the very idea of corporate art is silly. I mean are all BW employees artists? The PR people, the accountants, the web guy? Can I not complain about forum functionality because I'm stepping on someone's artistic vision?

If big organizations can't make art, then there's no such thing as film art, or TV art.... and I'm not so sure about theater.

Which doesn't mean that everyone in the big organization is making the art, of course. I think we can tell the difference between an accountant and a level designer.

You didn't quote everything I wrote, but...

If we look at film, what is the equivalent of day one dlc?  Product tie-ins?  How many films with product tie-ins do we consider art?

Look, I love games, so I'm not sure I want to be the one arguing they aren't art. But art is frequently and legitimately criticized. So I guess BW can keep the ending out of artistic integrity and we can just as easily cast it away as crappy art. But then we run into conflict with BW's  real function (profit).

[feliciano2040]

v0oZ wrote...

just to clear this. will there be a difference between a ems 2000 shepard scene and a 5000 ems scene? I mean in the second one he survives. in the first one we don't know.

I hope destroy Shepard hasn't survived, it would be beyond stupid to say the least, if not insulting to the other players who made the right choice.....synthesis.

[AlanC9]

Poleaxe wrote...
If we look at film, what is the equivalent of day one dlc?  Product tie-ins?  How many films with product tie-ins do we consider art?

That's a pretty weak analogy. A product tie-in gets you stuff, but it doesn't get you more movie.  A better parallel would be charging more for 3D versions.

Look, I love games, so I'm not sure I want to be the one arguing they aren't art. But art is frequently and legitimately criticized. So I guess BW can keep the ending out of artistic integrity and we can just as easily cast it away as crappy art. But then we run into conflict with BW's  real function (profit).

Sure. But that's no different from Warner Bros. real function.

[ZenJestr]

you mean Control....

Destroy is only the best ending if you want to headcanon a happy ending with your LI, but if you don't have one or you just don't care for that, then Control is the best. The Reapers are under your control so you can basically undo the damage they caused and rebuild the mass relays. You can rapidly advance galactic technology and have access to their knowledge. That is, of course, assuming you can keep giving them demands after death...which is ridiculous...

Synthesis solves nothing and is so scientifically WRONG it hurts. There is no such thing as final evolution; this isn't Pokémon. By making it so all life forms reach a final evolution you literally halt evolution. You halt adaptation. You halt progress.

If you look at it metaphorically, you can make an argument that it's a good idea. But when you look deeper you realize that Synthesis is both impossible and just simply...wrong.

Also what do synthetics gain from the dependence of vitamins, proteins, lipids, amino acids, and hormones? How is that an upgrade?

[AlanC9]

feliciano2040 wrote...

v0oZ wrote...

just to clear this. will there be a difference between a ems 2000 shepard scene and a 5000 ems scene? I mean in the second one he survives. in the first one we don't know.

I hope destroy Shepard hasn't survived, it would be beyond stupid to say the least, if not insulting to the other players who made the right choice.....synthesis.

Huh? It's not insulting to have your character die for something. Just think of the Destroy players as being too weak to do the right thing.

[AVPen]

AlanC9 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

v0oZ wrote...

just to clear this. will there be a difference between a ems 2000 shepard scene and a 5000 ems scene? I mean in the second one he survives. in the first one we don't know.

I hope destroy Shepard hasn't survived, it would be beyond stupid to say the least, if not insulting to the other players who made the right choice.....synthesis.

Huh? It's not insulting to have your character die for something. Just think of the Destroy players as being too weak to do the right thing.

Pfffffff, you're both assuming that Synthesis was the correction conclusion based solely the assumption that the creepy little Deus Ex Machina Godchild was RIGHT..... <_<

Modifié par AVPen, 26 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[v0oZ]

AVPen wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

feliciano2040 wrote...

v0oZ wrote...

just to clear this. will there be a difference between a ems 2000 shepard scene and a 5000 ems scene? I mean in the second one he survives. in the first one we don't know.

I hope destroy Shepard hasn't survived, it would be beyond stupid to say the least, if not insulting to the other players who made the right choice.....synthesis.

Huh? It's not insulting to have your character die for something. Just think of the Destroy players as being too weak to do the right thing.

Pfffffff, you're both assuming that Synthesis was the correction conclusion based solely the assumption that the creepy little Deus Ex Machina Godchild was RIGHT..... <_<

still nobody can prove that he is dead on a 2000 ems ending.
i guess BW just adds another cutscene for those with higher ems.

[Pastey]

S-S-S-STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

[Shevar]

ZenJestr wrote...

you mean Control....

Destroy is only the best ending if you want to headcanon a happy ending with your LI, but if you don't have one or you just don't care for that, then Control is the best. The Reapers are under your control so you can basically undo the damage they caused and rebuild the mass relays. You can rapidly advance galactic technology and have access to their knowledge. That is, of course, assuming you can keep giving them demands after death...which is ridiculous...

Synthesis solves nothing and is so scientifically WRONG it hurts. There is no such thing as final evolution; this isn't Pokémon. By making it so all life forms reach a final evolution you literally halt evolution. You halt adaptation. You halt progress.

If you look at it metaphorically, you can make an argument that it's a good idea. But when you look deeper you realize that Synthesis is both impossible and just simply...wrong.

Also what do synthetics gain from the dependence of vitamins, proteins, lipids, amino acids, and hormones? How is that an upgrade?

I felt exactly the same and would add to that one argument the 'writers' clearly forgot: Saren.

Saren talks about how he is the pinnacle of evolution, a mix of synthetics and organics. "The strenghts of both, the weaknesses of neither". Yet it is being considered a negative 'thing'.
So how come this atagonistic-motive, suddenly becomes the best outcome?
And it's true that giving synthetics organic parts, makes them more vulnarble than before.
How about self sustainment. Wil organics still die, or do synthetics get mortality?
EDI states synthetics do not share the goal of copying ones DNA to create offspring and sustain their species.
So what happens with those questions?
To more I think about the games dialogue with EDI and Legion, the more I think the ending was written by a completely different writings team than the rest of the series(games).

Also to touch on another subject. I thought the catalyst would use some form of Dark Energy to destroy the reapers, seeing as Dark Energy is mentioned several times in ME2.
Did the writing staff change, because I see not one mention of this supposed plotpoint being brought up in ME3.

(sorry if their are any spelling mistakes, since english is not my native language and my firefox spellcorrecter doesn't work in the Bioware text edit thingy:))

[Naughty Bear]

I hope Synthesis is not the best ending out of the 3, how the dafuq does that **** work?! It's impossible!

You can not even attempt to make sense of it, logic went completely out of the window with that choice my I.Q drops when i think about it.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 26 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[jpraelster93]

God bioware doesnt understand peoples problems with the ending its quite sad

[Poleaxe]

AlanC9 wrote...


Sure. But that's no different from Warner Bros. real function.

And that's my point I guess. I wouldn't buy Warner Bros. standing behind artistic integrity either. The director and the actors can talk to me about their art, but WB shouldn't pretend.

[thegamefreek78648]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I hope Synthesis is not the best ending out of the 3, how the dafuq does that **** work?! It's impossible!

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