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[Killjoy Cutter]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Then this DLC is useless and comes no closer to rescuing the franchise. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

TreguardD wrote...

XsaberkillerX wrote...

 The only problem some people have with the ending is the plot holes that were left.  If Bioware fixes this I think alot of people would be much happier.

These people are few, far between.

Best bet: Unless you're going a full extra few missions with IT; just scrap the whole thing.

Your fans will thank you.

"IT" is no better than what Bioware dumped on us.

[9erzo9]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

XsaberkillerX wrote...

 The only problem some people have with the ending is the plot holes that were left.  If Bioware fixes this I think alot of people would be much happier.

These people are few, far between.

Best bet: Unless you're going a full extra few missions with IT; just scrap the whole thing.

Your fans will thank you.

"IT" is no better than what Bioware dumped on us.

false.

[SalsaDMA]

9erzo9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

XsaberkillerX wrote...

 The only problem some people have with the ending is the plot holes that were left.  If Bioware fixes this I think alot of people would be much happier.

These people are few, far between.

Best bet: Unless you're going a full extra few missions with IT; just scrap the whole thing.

Your fans will thank you.

"IT" is no better than what Bioware dumped on us.

false.

No he is quite correct as far as I am concerned.

If IT is correct, it means the game shipped unfinished, without the actual ending.

I would actually consider that as being ethically worse than what they currently lumped into the game.

[Killjoy Cutter]

9erzo9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

XsaberkillerX wrote...

 The only problem some people have with the ending is the plot holes that were left.  If Bioware fixes this I think alot of people would be much happier.

These people are few, far between.

Best bet: Unless you're going a full extra few missions with IT; just scrap the whole thing.

Your fans will thank you.

"IT" is no better than what Bioware dumped on us.

false.

It's just as silly and contrived as the endings Bioware extruded.   Shep?  Idoctrinated? 

[SkullStrife]

Basicly the main issue with this announcment is that... Colored Explosion stays... The god Child stays (and his illogical explanations), the destruction of mass relays stays... Joking escaping and falling into an unkonwn planet stays... the abscense of a final encounter against harbinger stays... so basicly EVERYTHING that ruined the ending remains =( ... I really doubt that the extended cut (10' videos and some dialogues) will fill all the plotholes that destroyed the narrative coherence of the entire series... (in 10 minutes)

we don´t need an explanation about the reapers goals! they are far beyond our comprehension!

Another important issue is that this announcment disproves the indoctrination theory (?) I really had hoped that you planned this from the very beginning (the amazing concept of a liar narrator, indoctrinating the gamers! giving us the fear of losing our friends, making us choose the bad options!)... but after this announcment I´m sure that you didn´t came up with this idea... still you have the oportunity of taking it from us (for free) and use it... you would totally fix all the plotholes in one shot!

[AlanC9]

SkullStrife wrote...
we don´t need an explanation about the reapers goals! they are far beyond our comprehension!
 

I've never ceased to be amazed by how many ME fans willingly swallowed Sovereign's BS.

[feliciano2040]

SkullStrife wrote...

Basicly the main issue with this announcment is that... Colored Explosion stays... The god Child stays (and his illogical explanations), the destruction of mass relays stays... Joking escaping and falling into an unkonwn planet stays... the abscense of a final encounter against harbinger stays... so basicly EVERYTHING that ruined the ending remains =( ... I really doubt that the extended cut (10' videos and some dialogues) will fill all the plotholes that destroyed the narrative coherence of the entire series... (in 10 minutes)

So many things wrong in this paragraph.

Well, as they say, you can't save them all !

[Repearized Miranda]

AlanC9 wrote...

SkullStrife wrote...
we don´t need an explanation about the reapers goals! they are far beyond our comprehension!
 

I've never ceased to be amazed by how many ME fans willingly swallowed Sovereign's BS.

"Because he was so terrifying and my goodness! I want a voice like that!" 

I mean, really. Sovy and even Harbinger in (Reaper form) seemed more threatening then some child. Of course, children are innocent. Doesn't mean that they don't lie though.

Which is why the child form was used to let our guard down since the very beginning. Other than the "Cheap catharsis" and symbolism, who actually thought this child had value? It was just a Reaper Toy! (As were Saren and TIM, but we let them slide, didn't we?)

But I agree with SS with the fact that the Reapers were atrociously dumbed down and so sharply! This isn't about swallowing anything because I know I told Sovereign, Harbinger and TIM to stuff it. Why change my mnd now? Which is why I see only one option in ME3!

You've gone full-speed ahead, focused and whatnot, why doubt yourself now? That's the reason for the other two options!

Again, I don't like how dumbed down and so suddenly vulnerable the Reapers got. However, I guess I understand why they did this:

1) There's that saying: "Fear comes from what isn't understood." (Maybe that more applicable given the ending we got) So. they tried to make them "understandable" (the child), so we wouldn't fear them. However, the dumbing down happened on more than one level.

2) They wrote themselves into a corner with the omnipetant/invincibility thing.

It's probably both, but it's more the second reason than the first.

[Panther N7]

Need extended cut now...

[AlanC9]

Well, they couldn't actually make the Reapers omnipotent and invincible. An ending where the only thing Shep can accomplish is ensuring that Liara's beacons get to the next cycle would have gone over pretty badly, no?

[Repearized Miranda]

^ That isn't what I meant.

I meant it in the "superstitious awe" kind of thing. (ie: Whatever Reaper says, goes. The Codex said this and so did Legion)

All this talk about how ME3 could've possibly ended - "Space Magic" or "Deus Ex." They had no weak point until the last possible second!

I mean, all it took was a big gun - and it "presumably" destroyed everything else on top of that. If that isn't literally pulling something out your backside, what is? And dumbing down the Reapers had to occur for this to happen.

It's alot easier to write yourself into a corner than out of it.

And no, I don't think it would have as Shepard would have died trying. There's no shame in that! If Liara's beacons didn't work in the next cycle, I'd take that instead of sacrificing the Reapers to cannon fodder.

That's bad when you build somebody/thing up over a great amount of time to tear them down in the blink of an eye.

[Lazirus]

I'm curious about how future DLC (excluding this one) will work.

Continuation of the events after the conclusion of Mass Effect 3, or scenarios taking place before you head back to Earth?

Modifié par Lazirus, 28 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[SkullStrife]

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

[quote]SkullStrife wrote...
we don´t need an explanation about the reapers goals! they are far beyond our comprehension!
 [/quote]

I've never ceased to be amazed by how many ME fans willingly swallowed Sovereign's BS.
[/quote]

"Because he was so terrifying and my goodness! I want a voice like that!" 


But I agree with SS with the fact that the Reapers were atrociously dumbed down and so sharply! This isn't about swallowing anything because I know I told Sovereign, Harbinger and TIM to stuff it. Why change my mnd now? Which is why I see only one option in ME3!


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that was exactly my point... they were dumbed down... (by copying and pasting the typical Terminator plotline... "machines who rebel against their creators" when clearly Mass Effect is not a Terminator rip-off...) If they didn´t thought about a decent explanation for the Reaper´s reasons yet, just leave them as "far from our comprehension" or simply put.. an unsolved mistery... the focus of the game was on our characters not on the reapers, so an explanation was not entirely necessary ... (In my opinion, avoid explaining it is far better than dumbing them down)... And, seriously... during the whole ME2 adventure Harbinger was obsessed with Shepard, even during Arrival he speaks to us directly! and now in ME3 he doesn ´t even speak? a single line! (NO, the red beam does not count as "talking"!) how is that possible!?... The Indoc theory would have solved that... he didn´t lose interest in Shepard, on the contrary he was trying to indoctrinate us through the whole game! (with nightmares for example)...

btw They could always continue thinking about a decent explanation for a future game or DLC...

[v0oZ]

**** this. I want a Star Wars Ending. Nuff said.

[MeatPopsicle]

 DEAD REAPERS = HAPPY ENDING to me, no matter what the cost, that's the only reason I picked the red option because it's the only options in which the Reapers die, if it means destroying all synthetic life (including EDI which I would really regret) and sending galactic civilization back to the stone age than so be it. Do the developers honestly think it's necesarrely a good thing to let the Reapers live? Did you guys forget that these giant mecha-cthulus were butchering countless trillions of families and innocents and desecrating their bodies for their own pleasure? Manipulating people's minds against their will? killing them horribly and painfully? and in the last 10 or so minutes they were suddenly put in a position where we were supposed to feel a shred of empathy for them?!

The Reapers deserve NOTHING BUT DEATH! a horrible painful death would be even more satisfying, they should suffer as much as they made the galaxy suffer and more. Also based on the Catalyst's motives on why it does these cycles of extinction, it not only makes the Reapers and the Catalyst beyond evil, they should be given an award for BIGGEST HYPOCRITES OF ALL TIME! What right did they have to play God? 

I'll be patient, and if by some miracle Bioware does happen to recover from this mess, I'll be truly impressed. In the meantime, for me, the reapers die, no matter the cost.

Modifié par MeatPopsicle, 28 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[MeatPopsicle]

I'm also curious as to what the developers had in store for the game's story prior to delaying it for another year from it's previously intended release date. Because somewhere along the timeline the development stage screwed up bad.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ My guess would be one where we got the original ending, but we know how that turned out. It still may have come to this though. *shrugs*

[Nezodon101]

Essentially the same boring weak sauce endings with a little extra seasoning. All in all it comes down to this, your choices don't matter, pick a colour and shut up! The ending is insulting because all the choices made don't matter, for the most part neither do the war assets I've spent hours collecting don't matter.

Excellent, mind blowing story through the 3 games, then in the last ten minutes a firm kick to the nether regions.

I get the sense that Bioware doesn't 'get' what the main problems with the ending are, this I find hard to accept because for 3 games the solid writing and narrative has been among the best I've seen, then some genius comes up with space magic. Was it the work experience boy, did the staff let him loose on the script? Did the person who wrote the ending actually play the game? Was the guy who wrote the ending having Deus Ex hero worship?

Essentially Mass Effect 3 has one ending, and for a game which promises more, that's very disappointing. And after the extended cut their will still only be one ending.

[AlanC9]

MeatPopsicle wrote...

 DEAD REAPERS = HAPPY ENDING to me, no matter what the cost, that's the only reason I picked the red option because it's the only options in which the Reapers die, if it means destroying all synthetic life (including EDI which I would really regret) and sending galactic civilization back to the stone age than so be it. Do the developers honestly think it's necesarrely a good thing to let the Reapers live? Did you guys forget that these giant mecha-cthulus were butchering countless trillions of families and innocents and desecrating their bodies for their own pleasure? Manipulating people's minds against their will? killing them horribly and painfully? and in the last 10 or so minutes they were suddenly put in a position where we were supposed to feel a shred of empathy for them?!

Wait a second -- is anyone talking about feeling a shred of empathy for the Reapers? They did look kind of pathetic, sure, but that didn't mean they don't deserve death.

The Reapers deserve NOTHING BUT DEATH! a horrible painful death would be even more satisfying, they should suffer as much as they made the galaxy suffer and more. Also based on the Catalyst's motives on why it does these cycles of extinction, it not only makes the Reapers and the Catalyst beyond evil, they should be given an award for BIGGEST HYPOCRITES OF ALL TIME! What right did they have to play God? 

I'll be patient, and if by some miracle Bioware does happen to recover from this mess, I'll be truly impressed. In the meantime, for me, the reapers die, no matter the cost.

It sounds like you got most of what you wanted, though. The Reapers really are evil, and you really do get to kill them. I know you've got a problem, but you don't mention it here. What do you need from the DLC?

[AlanC9]

Nezodon101 wrote...

Essentially the same boring weak sauce endings with a little extra seasoning. All in all it comes down to this, your choices don't matter, pick a colour and shut up! The ending is insulting because all the choices made don't matter, for the most part neither do the war assets I've spent hours collecting don't matter.

Um.... I'm pretty sure picking the green ending matters to every single intelligent being in the galaxy. I agree that red and blue are pretty similar unless you're a geth (so if you've botched Rannoch they are identical, except for other AIs we don't know about).

Unless EDI surviving in red endings is just a bug, that is. Even so, if you really want to kill the Reapers sacrificing her isn't such a big deal, right?

[Dariansarr]

Derek Larke wrote

Be good to each other and Summer is coming...

No, Winter is coming...

[mmm buddah23]

9erzo9 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

XsaberkillerX wrote...

 The only problem some people have with the ending is the plot holes that were left.  If Bioware fixes this I think alot of people would be much happier.

These people are few, far between.

Best bet: Unless you're going a full extra few missions with IT; just scrap the whole thing.

Your fans will thank you.

"IT" is no better than what Bioware dumped on us.

false.

No he is right, the It is just huge leaps of faith and theories, I have played the game more than 5 times through now, and what they showed on you tube is NOT in the game, they must have altered the imaging. My eyes never glow, i dont hear whispers in the beginning of the game, all that hooplah is a pile of crap.

[Artemis_Entrari]

So are we any closer to an actual date for release for this? "Summer", especially in the gaming calendar, can be anywhere from now to, like, late September/early October, no?