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[zyntifox]

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise. That alteast means i get a small victory from the ending, i did just reap half the galaxy in minutes in what would take years for the reapers. Take that Harbinger!

[InvaderErl]

If you get the worst Destroy ending then the wave actually becomes destructive and then you've got your galactic genocide.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 02 mai 2012 - 10:02 .

[Legion64]

But the destroy ending kills off all synthetic life. You pretty much commit genocide one way or another if you go with that choice.

[Shepard108278]

Legion64 wrote...

But the destroy ending kills off all synthetic life. You pretty much commit genocide one way or another if you go with that choice.

Which is why it's the renegade choice duh.

[Legion64]

Control is the paragon, that is why I picked it, because no one gets dies but me. Not a single race had to die and I made peace with everyone but the reapers. Like Garrus said "If you can just make peace with the Reapers, you'd be a Saint."

And what do you know, I am a Saint, that is in control of the reapers!

[mwags85]

marky1607 wrote...

One question for all ME fans... Do you feel like Bioware intentionally made this kind of unfinished ending so they put all community on edge? So they can get all fans talking and shooting ideas about the ending of the ME? So they can harvest our imagination and ideas and consolidate that in much more sensible end of the series.

I've watched some of their press conferences, publications etc. and prevailing sentences are: "We (Bioware) are listening to you. We want your input. We want your feedback."
Even first of the forums story threads opened by Bioware is named "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening".

All that looks a bit suspicious to me. Maybe we are all part of something totally unprecedented in gaming history.

Only thing wrong with this is Bioware promised multiple ending outcomes.  We didn't get them.  They said our choices would matter.  They didn't.  We demanded a new ending.  We're not getting one.  We can only speculate and hope for the best. 

[mwags85]

CIWS01 wrote...

This has had me wondering for a while now.... It is out of character for Bioware to do something this outrageous without some clever twist in the end that makes it work out. Perhaps it is not that they feel this ending is just artistic as is, maybe it has more to do with the next planned game in the series. If the ending here ties into what they do with the next arc it's possible that to change the endings here would damage the planned future games. ( anyone who has ever tried to keep up with the Bleach manga would know very well how long a writer can hold you off before giving you closure) There are many ways this could have a twist in it yet. Just not for Shepard as many of us hope.
Just my opinion on the matter.

If this is true and Shepard's story is truly done, then I feel it was still an insult to the Shepard character to have him/her go out like that.

[mwags85]

Legion64 wrote...

Control is the paragon, that is why I picked it, because no one gets dies but me. Not a single race had to die and I made peace with everyone but the reapers. Like Garrus said "If you can just make peace with the Reapers, you'd be a Saint."

And what do you know, I am a Saint, that is in control of the reapers!

But you're dead so how does that work?

[Stronglav]

mwags85 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Control is the paragon, that is why I picked it, because no one gets dies but me. Not a single race had to die and I made peace with everyone but the reapers. Like Garrus said "If you can just make peace with the Reapers, you'd be a Saint."

And what do you know, I am a Saint, that is in control of the reapers!

But you're dead so how does that work?

You are made peace with the Reapers that are responsible for the death of trillions.
You are not a saint,you are an abomination.

[Legion64]

mwags85 wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Control is the paragon, that is why I picked it, because no one gets dies but me. Not a single race had to die and I made peace with everyone but the reapers. Like Garrus said "If you can just make peace with the Reapers, you'd be a Saint."

And what do you know, I am a Saint, that is in control of the reapers!

But you're dead so how does that work?

If one sacrifices his own life and saves the galaxy including all of synthetic life he is a hero. Just because one is dead means he is not? How the Reapers are controlled, I do not know. That electric tube Shepard holds on to probably has something to do with it and with Shepard turning to ash, perhaps his energy, soul, life source or whatever you want to call it went into the Crucible when it fired. All I know is, the Reapers flew away. And that's what I wanted. So Shepard must control the Reapers in some kind of way.

How do you think the Catalyst controlled the Reapers?

I wanted to destroy the Reapers, don't get me wrong, but to kill all synthetics is a heavy cost. Die in the end, save everyone.

Modifié par Legion64, 03 mai 2012 - 01:52 .

[vinwarrior]

I Love the Geth and Legion should not have died for nothing. Support the Indoctrination Theory! It's true and I am not a scammer.

[Legion64]

vinwarrior wrote...

I Love the Geth and Legion should not have died for nothing. Support the Indoctrination Theory! It's true and I am not a scammer.

What.

[AlanC9]

Legion64 wrote...
If one sacrifices his own life and saves the galaxy including all of synthetic life he is a hero. Just because one is dead means he is not? How the Reapers are controlled, I do not know. That electric tube Shepard holds on to probably has something to do with it and with Shepard turning to ash, perhaps his energy, soul, life source or whatever you want to call it went into the Crucible when it fired. All I know is, the Reapers flew away. And that's what I wanted. So Shepard must control the Reapers in some kind of way.

How do you think the Catalyst controlled the Reapers?

I wanted to destroy the Reapers, don't get me wrong, but to kill all synthetics is a heavy cost. Die in the end, save everyone.

Pretty much this. I find the red ending morally unacceptable, and green is too damn arrogant for most of my Sheps.

[AlanC9]

Cstaf wrote...

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise.

Would a tweet from one of the writers count as proof? Patrick Weekes sounded quite surprised that anyone thought supernovas were going off just because they broke the relays.

[lykanthrope]

I'm curious, I scanned about a dozen pages before I gave up. Has any other BioWare employee touched this thread since the OP?

Also, only came on to see if other PC players couldn't play because we lost our 'online pass'.

[zyntifox]

AlanC9 wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise.

Would a tweet from one of the writers count as proof? Patrick Weekes sounded quite surprised that anyone thought supernovas were going off just because they broke the relays.

That would certainly be proof enough. Not sure why he would be suprised by someone making that conclussion though.

Modifié par Cstaf, 03 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[Belhawk]

Cstaf wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise.

Would a tweet from one of the writers count as proof? Patrick Weekes sounded quite surprised that anyone thought supernovas were going off just because they broke the relays.

That would certainly be proof enough. Not sure why he would be suprised by someone making that conclussion though.

Why wouldn't we assume that the destruction of the relays cause the destruction of the solar systems?  After all, in the DLC Arrival, the destruction of the relay wipped out a solar system.  BW must have very short term memories.

[zyntifox]

Belhawk wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise.

Would a tweet from one of the writers count as proof? Patrick Weekes sounded quite surprised that anyone thought supernovas were going off just because they broke the relays.

That would certainly be proof enough. Not sure why he would be suprised by someone making that conclussion though.

Why wouldn't we assume that the destruction of the relays cause the destruction of the solar systems?  After all, in the DLC Arrival, the destruction of the relay wipped out a solar system.  BW must have very short term memories.

Well the thing is what i got from Arrival was that a destruction of a mass-relay= supernova, not destruction of a mass-relay through asteroid= supernova. Now, i might have missed that line in the Arrival DLC, but if it is not there i think the logical conclussion is that the destruction, not the asteroid, caused the supernova.

[IRMcGhee]

IIRC it says in Arrival that rupturing a mass relay = supernova (ye know, like smacking a huge asteroid into it just as it reached full power). I think that's a significant distinction, it didn't seem to me that the energy transmission, at least in the endings I've seen, has such a severe effect. 

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 03 mai 2012 - 01:56 .

[TigusVidiks]

The given explanation in The Arrival, is that the destruction of a Mass Relay releases an immense amount of power in the form of a shockwave that destroys the entire system.
Of course the writters can now extrapolate and say that it was only the case on that system because of this ot that cirscunstance. Bottom line, it's not only understandable but it's also expectable that after playing The Arrival, players would assume the loss of a system with an exploding Mass Relay.
It would be simpler to just admit they messed up  on this story line. But that seems less and less part of Bioware's ADN. 

Modifié par TigusVidiks, 03 mai 2012 - 02:04 .

[NegInfinity]

Legion64 wrote...

If one sacrifices his own life and saves the galaxy including all of synthetic life he is a hero.

No, he is an idiot. Once you're dead you can no longer affect anything. So by Murphy's law somebody will ruin everything you ever fought for within next month, and nobody will interfere, because galactic number 1 paragon/renegade is "no longer with us" and there's nobody to take his/her place. Plus your romantic interest will spend rest of his/her life grieving.

A true hero saves the galaxy without sacrifices, lives to tell the story and ensures that everything doesn't go wrong within his/her lifetime. Self-sacrifice is lack of planning/foresight and waste of human resources.

Self-sacrifice makes sense only if you're playing bad guy and want to "kill the world" or something.

[Legion64]

NegInfinity wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

If one sacrifices his own life and saves the galaxy including all of synthetic life he is a hero.

No, he is an idiot. Once you're dead you can no longer affect anything. So by Murphy's law somebody will ruin everything you ever fought for within next month, and nobody will interfere, because galactic number 1 paragon/renegade is "no longer with us" and there's nobody to take his/her place. Plus your romantic interest will spend rest of his/her life grieving.

A true hero saves the galaxy without sacrifices, lives to tell the story and ensures that everything doesn't go wrong within his/her lifetime. Self-sacrifice is lack of planning/foresight and waste of human resources.

Self-sacrifice makes sense only if you're playing bad guy and want to "kill the world" or something.

You have a depressing out look on things. Does that mean Legion's sacrifice was useless? Was Mordin's sacrifice useless? Was Thane's sacrifice useless?

It really sounds like you're trying to make the Destroy ending sound better when it really is not (IMO). A hero to me, doesn't commit genocide.

[freler31]

Just finished another play through. I realized that what gets me the most about the ending is, well it's just too short and empty. Cutting from Shepard's decision to a bunch of coloured explosions to Gilligan's planet in the space of, like, less than two minutes is terrible pacing. The ending of an epic is when you should be able to sit back and take in the entire experience.

It won't fix all the other problems with the resolution but at the least maybe the DLC will fix that much, so I'm cautiously hopeful.

Also every time I've finished the game since the first time I've had to turn the sound off once the "Stargazer" bit plays. Seriously that scene is just a heap of cheesy saccharine awfulness.

[Tankcommander]

DoctorEss wrote...

That's all well and good, but no amount of "closure" or "clarity" can fill in plot holes. At the core of it, that's what this has always been about. The ending has too much that flat out makes no sense. You can be as proud as you want about something that makes no sense, but it still, at the end of the day, makes no sense.

I don't consider failing to adhere to your own lore to be an "artistic vision".

Standing by something so universally reviled just reeks of hubris, though.  You should have considered humility instead of pride on this one.

Oh well. I'm sure you won't miss my money on every future Bioware release, and all the DLC. One customer means nothing, right?

This. Only it is a lot of customers. EVERY SINGLE person I know IRL that has beaten ME3 hates the ending. And that's over 10 people.

[Deganis76]

Tankcommander wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

That's all well and good, but no amount of "closure" or "clarity" can fill in plot holes. At the core of it, that's what this has always been about. The ending has too much that flat out makes no sense. You can be as proud as you want about something that makes no sense, but it still, at the end of the day, makes no sense.

I don't consider failing to adhere to your own lore to be an "artistic vision".

Standing by something so universally reviled just reeks of hubris, though.  You should have considered humility instead of pride on this one.

Oh well. I'm sure you won't miss my money on every future Bioware release, and all the DLC. One customer means nothing, right?

This. Only it is a lot of customers. EVERY SINGLE person I know IRL that has beaten ME3 hates the ending. And that's over 10 people.

Funny, of all the poeple I know who have played Mass Effect 3 the review have been mixed.  1 disliked it, 2 were ambivalant, 3 liked it, and 2 loved it.  I think what we can glean from our two examples is this shocking revelation:  opinions vary and generalizations usually involve a lot of assumptions that may or may not be correct.